No wonder this industry has such a bad reputation

[jennycards]

I just joined PornKing's Porn4aBuck program and decided to have a look at their member's page before starting promotion. Here is what I got for spending $1 at http://www.agedladies.com

- part of their "Top 5 Features" is teen content (instead of mature)
- part of their "Top 5 Features" would show "Warning: Supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource" error message
- most of the other content on that site is all but mature
- many more error messages like "We are sorry, but we cannot authorize you to enter Flirt4Free" or "Access Denied"
- never-ending pop-ups (on a member's site!!! )
- Last update on their "XXX Pix" page: May 29, 2002

By the way: The second month would cost me $37 ... so I assume I could expect some decent content for my money.

[m0rph3us]

good value.

[funkmaster]

... what the hell do you think a dollar would have bought you ?? 18 terra bytes of streaming fuck movies, or what ... stop sticking your nose in other guys businesses if you have no fucking idea what you are talking about ...

[jennycards]

Originally posted by funkmaster
... what the hell do you think a dollar would have bought you ?? 18 terra bytes of streaming fuck movies, or what ... stop sticking your nose in other guys businesses if you have no fucking idea what you are talking about ...

As I said ... second month for the SAME content is $37 ... this is NOT a free site.
And: I think EVERY affiliate should "stick his nose" into the business he decides to promote.

[quiet]

lol

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by jennycards
As I said ... second month for the SAME content is $37 ... this is NOT a free site.
And: I think EVERY affiliate should "stick his nose" into the business he decides to promote.

101% agreed.

If they will rip off their customers what do you think they will do to their affiliates. More people should DEMAND a password into a site before they send traffic to it.

I would because if I ran a paysite. It would be genuine and I would have nothing to hide.

[jennycards]

Originally posted by charly
If they will rip off their customers what do you think they will do to their affiliates.

In fact they are paying $25 for a $1 trial

[quiet]

i think if you have half a brain you should buy a membership to any paysite you are thinking about promoting.

[funkmaster]

... take from pornkings site:

- For each dollar trial join, we pay you $25.
- Initiate 25-49 joins, get an extra $100.
Over 50, get a bonus of $250!
- No deductions (*they may sign up for a trial and cancel without renewing -- but you still get paid as soon as the signup occurs),
- Easy stats and payments made twice a month

... so what´s the problem, it does not say you will get payed on recurings, and I guess it´s their damn right to reccure at 37$ when paying out $25 to affiliates, well if they don´t reccure their members ... it ain´t your problem.

... and to add, it´s nothing new that most membersections are more than just poor. I am not talking about pornkings here (the errors you got look more like a database fuckup than a ripp off to me). damn it, when I started back in 97´I used to send thraffic to sites that didn´t even have a membersection and nobody cares, does the name xpics ring a bell ??

... I would agree with you if you were going to send your traffic to a reccuring partnership program, that´s a complete different story ...

[jennycards]

Originally posted by funkmaster
and I guess it´s their damn right to reccure at 37$ when paying out $25 to affiliates, well if they don´t reccure their members ... it ain´t your problem.

But it IS my problem if they are charging $37 for poor content and screwing my customers. Or am I the only one in this industry caring about CRM??

[funkmaster]

jennycards, formaly known as mother theresa .... I give up !

[jennycards]

Originally posted by funkmaster
jennycards, formaly known as mother theresa .... I give up !

That was a good one

[49thParallel]

As a fellow advocate of honest adult business practices...grab a chair and come on in...we don't get many visitors around here.

[Gemini]

Oh well J.C., just update the ol list of who not to deal with when you post a thread like this... the ones you want on that list are sure to poke their heads out.

If we are wondering about a site we might promote, we ask for a pass, if its not given? Skip on by as there is something they don't want seen for whatever reason.

But it looks like the weekend for mySQL errors... I have run across about 7 of them on various sites-programs in the last few days. Maybe the techs are... are... *gasp*... Drinking!!

Or the sponsors themselves had one too many and convinced themselves they really ARE script kiddies and decided to do it their wayyyyyyyyy....

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by funkmaster
... take from pornkings site:

- For each dollar trial join, we pay you $25.
- Initiate 25-49 joins, get an extra $100.
Over 50, get a bonus of $250!
- No deductions (*they may sign up for a trial and cancel without renewing -- but you still get paid as soon as the signup occurs),
- Easy stats and payments made twice a month

... so what´s the problem, it does not say you will get payed on recurings, and I guess it´s their damn right to reccure at 37$ when paying out $25 to affiliates, well if they don´t reccure their members ... it ain´t your problem.

... and to add, it´s nothing new that most membersections are more than just poor. I am not talking about pornkings here (the errors you got look more like a database fuckup than a ripp off to me). damn it, when I started back in 97´I used to send thraffic to sites that didn´t even have a membersection and nobody cares, does the name xpics ring a bell ??

... I would agree with you if you were going to send your traffic to a reccuring partnership program, that´s a complete different story ...

Don't worry, over the next year the new Visa regs (which have yet to be fully enforced) will put an end to this. You'll actually have to have a members area to be a pornking

I don't understand why your sticking up for this in this stage of our industry Funkmaster. It's not a very positive thing at all. Our industry is under fire from many angles for many reasons and you can bet your funky ass that this is one of em'

[Scootermuze]

Try it from this approach...

You buy software that's supposed to be for accounting, and you can demo it for $1..

The salesperson that sold you the pkg. was paid $20 commission for the sale.

If you keep using it after the demo period you have to pay the $30 for it.

You pay the $1 and install the software to find that it's a simple booking pkg. and not accounting.. plus there are a few bugs here & there...

Would you continue to use the software and pay the full price?
Were you deceived by the description of the pkg?

What the author agreed to pay the salesperson isn't the point..

The point is.. if you're selling Joe Surfer a trial membership to a mature site, then Joe should be given mature content.. If Joe is given somethin else, then it is unlikely that he will stick around and pay the full membership later..

and if there is nothing new to see from one day, or one week to the next.. again.. the odds of him stickin around are slim at best.

Just my take on it.....

[SABAI]

what is causing our industry to be under fire is all the join for free or 1 $ where you have to put your credit card info and who sign u up for 2 or 3 other sites at same time which will rebill you 35$ each...... this is the case even with most famous sponsors....

the guy thinks hes paying 1$ for a trial and at the end of the month he gets 4 35$ rebills he don't know where from....then he charges back and VISA fucks us up....
look what stiffycash and other ones are doing....they are big names and long established yet they fuck the surfers uf and our whole industry too.......when will these guys understand that the more you fuck the people the harder it will be to make sales......

just my opinion but this kind of practice is a scam in my book

[Darren]

if a surfer signs up expecting something and doesnt get it, do u think he will be as likely to get his card out again for another site? I doubt it.

[49thParallel]

Plus, this is the only industry on earth where you can accuse someone of cheating the customer and their response would be, "buyer beware" or "screw the customer".

And, some of you who are complaining about Pornkings tactics have equally questionable sites in your signatures. Many of these programs offer free trials, which need to be cancelled 24 hours before end of trial, to avoid rebill. If you are complaining about PornKings, then how can you turn around and justify scamming the surfer with the program you use?

These deceptive free trials are designed with only one purpose in mind...to trick the customer into thinking that he is actually receiving a trial that he can cancel up until the end of trial. But, oh no, by the time he cancels, the membership has already rebilled. This is every bit as slimey as over puffing the members area.

Edit: Correction..most of the posters on this thread do not have questionable sponsors listed in their signatures. However, I do question Mark's Cash....You give out free Trials for 1 day and yet the T & C's say that free trials need to be cancelled 24 hours prior. How the heck does that work?

Plus, is a one day trial 24 hours, or if a person signs up at 11:00 p.m., his trial ends at Midnight of the same day. If at midnight, then by who's time zone?

[nocostporn]

Originally posted by funkmaster
... take from pornkings site:

- For each dollar trial join, we pay you $25.
- Initiate 25-49 joins, get an extra $100.
Over 50, get a bonus of $250!
- No deductions (*they may sign up for a trial and cancel without renewing -- but you still get paid as soon as the signup occurs),
- Easy stats and payments made twice a month

... so what´s the problem, it does not say you will get payed on recurings, and I guess it´s their damn right to reccure at 37$ when paying out $25 to affiliates, well if they don´t reccure their members ... it ain´t your problem.

... and to add, it´s nothing new that most membersections are more than just poor. I am not talking about pornkings here (the errors you got look more like a database fuckup than a ripp off to me). damn it, when I started back in 97´I used to send thraffic to sites that didn´t even have a membersection and nobody cares, does the name xpics ring a bell ??

... I would agree with you if you were going to send your traffic to a reccuring partnership program, that´s a complete different story ...

Obviously you dont, but some people care about where they send their surfers...You should think about it from a surfer standpoint and maybe you might be a better webmaster and like the title says,yes that kinda shit hurts the industry...If you have to rely on terms of service loopholes and small print to make your money,you DON'T belong

[12clicks]

hahahahahahahaha, I love these threads. really, I do.

These complaints from the same people who demand 40.00 per signup.
News flash, you can't pay more than somethings worth without loopholes. any of you assclowns who send your traffic to anything other than a pure partnership program should shut the fuck up. Your hands are as dirty as anyone elses.

[49thParallel]

Originally posted by 12clicks
hahahahahahahaha, I love these threads. really, I do.

These complaints from the same people who demand 40.00 per signup.
News flash, you can't pay more than somethings worth without loopholes. any of you assclowns who send your traffic to anything other than a pure partnership program should shut the fuck up. Your hands are as dirty as anyone elses.

Nah, I'll just send all of my traffic to pop-up killer programs.

But seriously, I live by my words. I send 90% of my traffic to Danni's programs..no pop-ups, no cross-sells, no trials...and the other 10% to other partnership programs with clear and concise T & C's. No tricks, no slime.

[nocostporn]

Originally posted by 12clicks
hahahahahahahaha, I love these threads. really, I do.

These complaints from the same people who demand 40.00 per signup.
News flash, you can't pay more than somethings worth without loopholes. any of you assclowns who send your traffic to anything other than a pure partnership program should shut the fuck up. Your hands are as dirty as anyone elses.

havent dealt with that style of PPS in awhile,if I go PPS I always go with a site using no trials and if the payout to me is $25,I make sure the monthly charge to the surfer is at least that much...Just how I operate ,everybody is happy and I'm doing just fine

[12clicks]

Originally posted by nocostporn


havent dealt with that style of PPS in awhile,

last month?

Originally posted by nocostporn
if I go PPS I always go with a site using no trials and if the payout to me is $25,I make sure the monthly charge to the surfer is at least that much...

how considerate! do you really think that the program operator is living off the 4.00 or less that would leave them? if so, can I have the turnips that fell off the truck when you did?

Originally posted by nocostporn
Just how I operate ,everybody is happy and I'm doing just fine

some people do this for more than beer money.


no offense, but really, operating in this business with blinders on must be fun. A pity I've never tried it.

[nocostporn]

Originally posted by 12clicks

some people do this for more than beer money.


no offense, but really, operating in this business with blinders on must be fun. A pity I've never tried it.

you aren't my tax man but I make well over 25k a month with this style of PPS and revshare,stats have been posted...Nothing compared to you in your hayday lol but like I said,I'm doing just fine... Don't knock my method of business,at least I have one

Follow your shady business practices,I don't really give a fuck by the time this catches up with everybody I'll be cashed out and out of this industry... but the people who plan on being around for the next 20 years better wise up...I'd rather make less now and know I'll be around for the long haul

[jennycards]

Originally posted by 12clicks
any of you assclowns who send your traffic to anything other than a pure partnership program should shut the fuck up. Your hands are as dirty as anyone elses.

How true.

Everybody had to learn his lesson though :D

[nocostporn]

and some PPS that pay $35 arent really THAT shady,I forgot I do send a nice chunk of traffic to ND...Maybe I am being a hypocrite on this one lol...but you have to admit they arent too bad,they cheat the webmaster more than the surfer

[Undutchable]

The business ethics of some of you guys are fucking horrendous

[12clicks]

Originally posted by nocostporn

fine... Don't knock my method of business,at least I have one

don't knock anyone else's they're happy as well.

Originally posted by nocostporn
Follow your shady business practices,I don't really give a fuck by the time this catches up with everybody I'll be cashed out and out of this industry...

I know guys who did that 2 yrs ago. in the mean time, I've continued to collect an income.

Originally posted by nocostporn
but the people who plan on being around for the next 20 years better wise up...I'd rather make less now and know I'll be around for the long haul

That';s what separates us. I'd rather make MORE now and know I'll be around for the long haul

oh, and nice job on the 25k a month. A lot fewer people do that than you think.

[funkmaster]

... you guys should run your own program, and sit next to every surfer that signs up "oh carefull henry, this is a crossbill, you better don´t tick that ..." ... and .. "oh sir, please remember to cancle, or you will get rebilled" ...

[49thParallel]

I'll say it again...only in this industry can people justify lying, cheating and scamming as a normal part of day to day business.

It's no lie, there is a lot more money to be made using the tactics of 95% of the programs out there. A few months back, after really studying the techniques of my affiliate programs, I pulled my links from all of them. I then opened up my own small site and sent the majority of my traffic to no trial / no b.s. / high quality programs. And yes, the monetary effect to this day is that I now bring in approx $12,000 less a month, with the same traffic. So, while I won't reveal how much I now bring in a month, I'm still happy...and I'm building a business that I can feel proud about.

And I won't even promote a reputable site that has pop-ups. Because, often the pop-ups then direct the surfer to one of the shadier sites.

Walk the walk and talk the talk.

[EscortBiz]

Originally posted by 49thParallel
I'll say it again...only in this industry can people justify lying, cheating and scamming as a normal part of day to day business.

It's no lie, there is a lot more money to be made using the tactics of 95% of the programs out there. A few months back, after really studying the techniques of my affiliate programs, I pulled my links from all of them. I then opened up my own small site and sent the majority of my traffic to no trial / no b.s. / high quality programs. And yes, the monetary effect to this day is that I now bring in approx $12,000 less a month, with the same traffic. So, while I won't reveal how much I now bring in a month, I'm still happy...and I'm building a business that I can feel proud about.

And I won't even promote a reputable site that has pop-ups. Because, often the pop-ups then direct the surfer to one of the shadier sites.

Walk the walk and talk the talk.

Nice!

[nocostporn]

Originally posted by funkmaster
... you guy should run your own program, and sit next to every surfer that signs up "oh carefull henry, this is a crossbill, you better don´t tick that ..." ... and .. "oh sir, please remember to cancle, or you will get rebilled" ...

won't be going that far but I'll be unvieling a program soon,was supposed to be the first of the year but I really slacked off lol ... $25/month no trial,no crossbilling no upsells,$25 PPS or 60/40 revshare to the webmaster...absolutley no bullshit will be implented in my program,in the end its just going to end up being a hassle so I'm going to make it as simple and clean as possible...I've noticed there are A LOT of people on the come up that are succeeding using the simple and clean approach...

if I fail,bring this thread back up and laugh at me... but I doubt it

[49thParallel]

Originally posted by funkmaster
... you guys should run your own program, and sit next to every surfer that signs up "oh carefull henry, this is a crossbill, you better don´t tick that ..." ... and .. "oh sir, please remember to cancle, or you will get rebilled" ...

Yep, god forbid that you make an honest income, without having to trick the surfer into signing up.

So, I'm still curious about your T & C's. They state that all trials must be cancelled 24 hours prior to avoid rebill. Your trials are only one day long...how does that work.

Plus, is one day 24 hours...or is it until the end of day...ie. a person signs up at 11:00 p.m....their membership rebills at midnight...and if at midnight, by who's time zone.

[funkmaster]

49thParallel, post some of your sites, and let me dig up some dirt in your house ...

[primo DM]

Originally posted by Scootermuze
Try it from this approach...

You buy software that's supposed to be for accounting, and you can demo it for $1..

The salesperson that sold you the pkg. was paid $20 commission for the sale.

If you keep using it after the demo period you have to pay the $30 for it.

You pay the $1 and install the software to find that it's a simple booking pkg. and not accounting.. plus there are a few bugs here & there...

Would you continue to use the software and pay the full price?
Were you deceived by the description of the pkg?

What the author agreed to pay the salesperson isn't the point..

The point is.. if you're selling Joe Surfer a trial membership to a mature site, then Joe should be given mature content.. If Joe is given somethin else, then it is unlikely that he will stick around and pay the full membership later..

and if there is nothing new to see from one day, or one week to the next.. again.. the odds of him stickin around are slim at best.

Just my take on it.....

sounds a lot like microsoft, you mother fuckers need to quit yer bitching. lots of things in this world are half-assed get the fuck over it! xp was released not 100% complete and full of bugs, but millions of mother fuckers bought it nonetheless! the consumer is a moron they will buy the shit either way, most software is not EXACTLY what you want but you buy it anyways and keep it. unless your a senior citizen whom likes to bitch a lot or your a fucking whiner cheapskate!

this is fucking capitalism at its fucking greatest, your capitalizing on your surfers ignorance, and the person running the program is capitalizing on yours. capitalism is sysnonymous with fucking people, get over it.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by 49thParallel
I'll say it again...only in this industry can people justify lying, cheating and scamming as a normal part of day to day business.

It's no lie, there is a lot more money to be made using the tactics of 95% of the programs out there. A few months back, after really studying the techniques of my affiliate programs, I pulled my links from all of them. I then opened up my own small site and sent the majority of my traffic to no trial / no b.s. / high quality programs. And yes, the monetary effect to this day is that I now bring in approx $12,000 less a month, with the same traffic. So, while I won't reveal how much I now bring in a month, I'm still happy...and I'm building a business that I can feel proud about.

And I won't even promote a reputable site that has pop-ups. Because, often the pop-ups then direct the surfer to one of the shadier sites.

Walk the walk and talk the talk.

oh please.
return ALL the money you made *unethically* as you now deem it to be before you go throwing stones at others. you wouldn't even be in this business now if you didn't have that money and you WOULDN"T be in a position to make 12k less now.
you "holier than though because I stopped what you're doing yesterday" guys are SOOOOO funny.

[RottenPug]

I would really like to see what pornkings has to say in regards to this. I mean every time a sponsor is brought up they are the first to say use our program (not a dig just the truth).

[Dveron]

Originally posted by RottenPug
I would really like to see what pornkings has to say in regards to this. I mean every time a sponsor is brought up they are the first to say use our program (not a dig just the truth).

He must be taking the day off..he is usually all over these threads.

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by 49thParallel
As a fellow advocate of honest adult business practices...grab a chair and come on in...we don't get many visitors around here.

And, you gotta wonder: how many of the guys defending these practices are the same ones boo-hooing about the credit card difficulties the industry is going through. The chickens are coming home to roost! Unfortunately, it's affecting the good guys as well as the bad.

[Jak]

I love these threads... keep it coming!


Jak

[Probono]

I agree with Jennycards. Anyone promoting a site should look at the content before they promote it.

2003 will probably be the year Visa and MasterCard both end auto rebilling for high risk merchants because of these issues.

Now that they have us paying for the right to be blacklisted and chargebacks are tracked per site they can create new rules for high risk merchants.

Those of you dependent on rebilling should be demanding sponsors have quality content that promotes retention not sites that rebill hoping that they will not be caught with a chargeback.

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by funkmaster
49thParallel, post some of your sites, and let me dig up some dirt in your house ...

Would be nice if you answered his question.

[p1mpdogg]

Originally posted by RottenPug
I would really like to see what pornkings has to say in regards to this. I mean every time a sponsor is brought up they are the first to say use our program (not a dig just the truth).

Ill take over for him.

http://epiccash.com

GET PAID ON FREE TRIALS>>> WANT TO SEE MY MEMBERS AREAS?

http://1-dream.com/members
u: yo
p: yo

please dont abuse me.. im just a newbie

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by UnseenWorld


And, you gotta wonder: how many of the guys defending these practices are the same ones boo-hooing about the credit card difficulties the industry is going through. The chickens are coming home to roost! Unfortunately, it's affecting the good guys as well as the bad.

Well said, I've seen some large 2 big companies go busted, Main stream one's for the same kind of shit some of these porn sites are doing. And you know what, still 2 this day most don't have a clue why they went busted and I'm talking about some companies that were in business for over a 100 fucking years.

[Scootermuze]

Originally posted by primo DM

............
this is fucking capitalism at its fucking greatest, your capitalizing on your surfers ignorance, and the person running the program is capitalizing on yours. capitalism is sysnonymous with fucking people, get over it.

and fucking people over is synonymous with ever growing chargebacks..

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by Probono
2003 will probably be the year Visa and MasterCard both end auto rebilling for high risk merchants because of these issues.

Nah, this is the year those two pull out entirely, not because of stuff like Rogers but because the real culprits just won't be shut down.

While I think Roger should pay more attention to his members areas if this is indeed the case, I also think people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. And I also think the 'overly righteous' should realize they aren't.

[MrPopup]

I've got some old COLLEGE DIPLOMAS lying around, not to mention a few instuction books on HOW TO BECOME AN ORDAINED MINISTER...

You seem like you might be the type that would be interested.

YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR AND YOU PAID FOR ALMOST NOTHING!

Just be grateful someone doesnt organize a goon squad to come and beat your ass!

[p1mpdogg]

Jennycards-

I have been inside some of pornkings sites before.. and i think you are confused on something..

I think the popup you got was from a delayed timed exit.. there is not actual consoles inside his members areas.. that popup was from the tour.. MANY MANY sponsors use delayed timed exits.. I think perhaps roger overlooked this by not disabling the popup if they joined...

You are bashing a program that makes alot of money, and pays on time.. and DOES offer the content they say they are offering.. Who cares if you have teen content in a mature sites.. as long as you ALSO offer mature content.. the more content the better right? And what they charge per month is moot at this point, cause its a pay per signup program.

Also, they are no longer your customer once they leave your page and went to rogers site. Are you a customer service spokesman or a business man/girl? Rogers sites are golden compared to 85-90% of the shit out there today.

[mpegposter]

Originally posted by p1mpdogg


Ill take over for him.

http://epiccash.com

GET PAID ON FREE TRIALS>>> WANT TO SEE MY MEMBERS AREAS?

http://1-dream.com/members
u: yo
p: yo

please dont abuse me.. im just a newbie

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