Got a new idea for driving very quality traffic ..... forget tgps??

[necoeds]

Ok, my idea is pretty simple.....

Basically i'm designing a porn review website.... yea yea yea... i know there's a fucking shitload of these sites out there..... but i'm thinking put a little twist on it.

Basically charge some basic fee.... like $2.99 a month or something.... THAT would insure that the surfer is indeed a paying porn customer.... AND at least break even on bandwidth.... And basically ask other porn webmasters to allow me to grab between 100 to 150 pics and 4 or 5 vidoes from their member's are. Basically, i'd just pic a completely random sample that would give a accurate feel for what the member's area would give the surfer.

I think that something like this would have traffic convert like mad, not to mention forget about short memberships, because "joe surfer" would know what he's buying before he buys it......

BTW i got this idea after going through that pay-site password list was on here a week or so ago, basically i'm just appauled by the low quality.... there's too many fucking "copy & paste" member's areas out there..... And they're really hurting the industry.

***Anybody interested in helping to review? I think having like 3 different reviews, written by 3 different people for the member's would be perfect.

***Anybody think enough "Joe Sufers" would sign-up to make it big?

***What would be a reasonable price for the member's review area?

[pipp]

Gething people to signup for a porn site is hard enough these days. How on earth are you gona get people to signup for a porn review site? Conversions will be terible. Sending traffic elswhere will be much more profitable

[Pipecrew]

Originally posted by pipp
Gething people to signup for a porn site is hard enough these days. How on earth are you gona get people to signup for a porn review site? Conversions will be terible. Sending traffic elswhere will be much more profitable

thats what i was thinking

[AM Jeff]

Um...isn't thats what a free site is SUPPOSED to be?
Granted...some free sites give out too much content.

Problem is...
You give out too much content like your supposing.

Why would they wanna join a site?
They already got off.

No free should have no more than 10 pics (20 MAX) IMHO.

Thats why TGPs hurt this biz.

Yeah..you'd get alot of traffic.
But bandwith bill would go thru the roof. your conversions would suck (if you had one) and..besides..just because the sites that have those photos in their members area does NOT give you authorization to use them photos.

Web liesences are giving out to those sites or the people who bought the content, that are specified on most contracts. Unless other arrangments were made by the content provider.

If not...YOU could get in a world of shit.

[Keev]

yo hook me up with content waiting for it so i can finish up my shit

[Shooter]

If you have 100 pics and 4 videos for every single site you've reviewed there would be no reason for the surfer to join a paysite when they can just stay a member of your site for 3 bucks a month.

Lets say you've reviewed 100 sites

Pics: 100 x 100 = 10000
Videos: 100 x 4 = 400

So for 3 a month, a surfer gets 10000 pics, 400 videos, and updates....not gonna work

[SetTheWorldonFire]

don't listen to these guys. go ahead and do it

[necoeds]

No, I'm listen'n

I'm still going to do it

My thought was that once i got more than like 10 reviews, i'd cut down on the amount of content that i'd have from each site..

Plus, every picture would have a watermark in the middle, that's say 50% transparent, so if they want the clean pics they'd have to join the site.......

My thought is that for the average "joe sufer" ... "getting off" is not the only point to joining a pay site..... and if you think that even if they get off on my site, that they won't join other sites..... i think you're wrong.... if that was the case, why does tgp traffic convert at all???

[ServerGenius]

To see how it's done....look here:

http://www.adultmonkey.com/

DynaMite

[Jon]

try it out. if it works even somewhat i'm game for it.

[Sambuka]

Coming up with new ideas is one thing, coming up with new BAD ideas is another

Sammy

[TFCash]

Originally posted by SetTheWorldonFire
don't listen to these guys. go ahead and do it

Don't let them steal your dreams dude Go for it !!

[washiez]

Why not instead of charging $2.95 for a membership, you ask for their Email Address? Sort of like how those join4free like programs work but youd have site reviews and more.. and plus u got their email address which can be a very valuable thing. That sounds like a more feasible option to me.

[Jon]

sammy

[RockDaddy]

Just have each of the reviewed paysites set up a seperate tour just for you if they want to be included, that nullifies the content license issues.

Set up a brief description of each site and what all it offers, then when they click on the link for that sites free pic and video samples, wash them out with sexkey or something.

Pop a console for those that don't sign with Sexkey to a join4free program or better yet, set up your own.


RD

[necoeds]

I'm still thinking that i charge something.... That way i won't be supporting free-loaders....

Maybe set it up so that there's a 10 day trial or something..... that would be like $1, then only $2.99 a month....

Hrm....

[[The Leader]]

I don't think it's a bad idea at all. The people saying it is are probably working on a site like it right now. Don't give away too too much from each site, but give them more than TGP galleries would. paysitepreviews.com or something, I can see joining it as a surfer. And I can see upselling to a paysite if it's good enough. This would be a good site to promote to experienced surfers, like TGP traffic.




DynaSpain, that's just another review site, his idea is much better.

[necoeds]

Ok, I bought the domain name..... It's good :-) ... Now i just need 2 other "experienced" webmasters that would like to do the reviews with me..... I think having 3 different points of view.... AND 3 different ratings for the site, would help to build trust with "joe surfer"

Just email me at:
[email protected]
or icq me at #174449631
or aim me at s/n: jamesvanderslice

In exchange for the reviewer's.... I'd post their sites in "top" position, AND not use a affiliate code with it...... simple work for free good traffic.

ALSO, if any webmasters would like to volunteer their site(s) to be some of the first reviewed.... let me know!

BTW...
I've had a similar section in my member's area of my site for about a week now, giving away more content than a tgp gallery, but not too much, and using a recomendation from me..... it's converted at 1:6 off of the first 2 sites i've listed...... quality porn paying traffic is ALWAYS good.....

[ServerGenius]

Originally posted by [The Leader]
I don't think it's a bad idea at all. The people saying it is are probably working on a site like it right now. Don't give away too too much from each site, but give them more than TGP galleries would. paysitepreviews.com or something, I can see joining it as a surfer. And I can see upselling to a paysite if it's good enough. This would be a good site to promote to experienced surfers, like TGP traffic.




DynaSpain, that's just another review site, his idea is much better.

You haven't checked it in a while I assume....this idea is almost
exactly what I have been busy with for the last 4 months....

Monkey now does have galleries, does offer memberships and will offer discounts on paysites starting next week.

DynaMite

[necoeds]

monkey is completely different that what i'm doing....

[Choker]

necoeds

Don't worry about what everybody else thinks man. If you believe it has even a small chance of working, go for it. If you fail then try something else. The more you fail the more you will learn. I fail to make 90% of my ideas work, but I never quit trying. Good luck dude.

[ServerGenius]

Originally posted by necoeds
monkey is completely different that what i'm doing....

Great I'm looking forward to see the result......your idea is good
even if it would be similar I wouldn't mind....if you need any help
hit me up....

DynaMite

[McAttack]

Originally posted by necoeds
Ok, I bought the domain name..... It's good :-) ... Now i just need 2 other "experienced" webmasters that would like to do the reviews with me..... I think having 3 different points of view.... AND 3 different ratings for the site, would help to build trust with "joe surfer"

Just email me at:
[email protected]
or icq me at #174449631
or aim me at s/n: jamesvanderslice

In exchange for the reviewer's.... I'd post their sites in "top" position, AND not use a affiliate code with it...... simple work for free good traffic.

ALSO, if any webmasters would like to volunteer their site(s) to be some of the first reviewed.... let me know!

BTW...
I've had a similar section in my member's area of my site for about a week now, giving away more content than a tgp gallery, but not too much, and using a recomendation from me..... it's converted at 1:6 off of the first 2 sites i've listed...... quality porn paying traffic is ALWAYS good.....

I would recommend to get a "JoeUser" point of view, not an experienced webmaster. You already have 3 webmasters. Fine. Get 2 perverts.

When I see a review of a movie, I'd rather hear it from a normal person than someone in the industry. Same applies here.

[AM Jeff]

Ya'll need to let necoeds go ahead and do it.
He forgets the fact you can get 100X that amount on a paysite for even a $2.95 trial for a few days..even AVS...is basically the same thing he is wanting to try.

Lmaoooooo...he'll find out.

Damn..newbies ya just can't teach....they come up with the wildest of ideas.
But hey...experience in failures is the best education.

Lmaooooooooooooooooooooo.

[necoeds]

"AM Jeff"

Yes, i know that it may sound similar to a avs site, but like 99% of avs sites are just shit......

My new site will be very informative..... plus i've got the cash to pound out a shit ton of traffic to it.... going with just straight hun traffic......

I may be somewhat of a "newbie" but i know ALOT about marketing.........




anyways, "am jeff"

:

[Dildozer]

Good luck with it necoeds, i'm sure you can do it!
Don't let the jealous and scared people undermine you, i'm sure you'll do great. If you ever need someone to help out...

[suesheboy]

Working on something similar in another field. It could work BUT...carefull with the content!

[EscortBiz]

great idea im for it! and good luck

[AM Jeff]

necoeds...if you got the cash the the stupidy to try it.

My god..go for it.

When it doesn't work and ya wonder why...

Remember this thread...lmaooooooooo


Also...one thing to remember.
If you ever get a good, bright idea...one that WILL work.

You NEVER EVER share those secrets on here.
Let people figure them out.

But by all means..try it.
But..it ain't gonna work..too many free sites with too much content, TGP post, AVS's...and hard enough to get people to sign up for trails..with 100X more content than you are wanting to throw up.

But..if you don't get it..by all means..waste your money.
When it hurts later...you'll know why.


Have fun....lmaooooooooooooo

[Hooper]

You would do well to offer a free one year membership but require a cc. if you cant afford to do free, then do cheap, like 99cents for a one year non-recurring membership.

side note... why would you give away shit for free content? give them one high quality photo sample from each paysite. you're not worried about them recurring anyways.

[Shaggy]

Just because you only charge $2.99 or even 10 cents. It's getting people to put thier credit card info that is hard. You won't get the sign up ratio you think you will.

[necoeds]

I think a 1 year membership would most definately mark the death of the site....... The thing that everybody seems to forget (except for the really successfull ones) is that people think they're getting what they pay for.... for instance... joe webmaster charges $24.99 a month membership.... while john webmaster charges $19.99 a month..... who will make more? (assuming both having equally profital niche, as well as same everything for example)...... JOE! sure he may have a little smaller convertion ratio, but it won't be much.... and it sure as hell won't be 20% lower ($25 versus $20) .....

I really don't care about putting this idea up on here, because it DOESN'T MATTER. If somebody wants to compete with me using the same idea, then more power to them.....

And as far as there being 100's or even 1000's of similar sites out there that are "similar".... that doesn't matter either.... I mean come on you dumbass, it's not like there's only 1 paysite out there.... and i'm sure they all use different business plans... LMAO....

Competition is what would help make this idea work..... and maybe replace tgp sites eventually...... If i was the only site like it out there ever, there is NO question that it wouldn't be very successful...... Joe surfer doesn't like unique ideas that aren't the norm......

BTW, i wasn't thinking of giving away a shit ton of pics and videos, just like 1-3 pics from each section or photoshoot.... and like i said, i'd put a watermark in the middle of it that would be like 50% transparent with the original sites address...... joe surfer doesn't like to jerk it to a web address..... i'd just be a teaser....... NOT a "free" porn site, like tgp sites really are (at least in joe surfer's eyes)

This type of site would cator to paying porn customers.... not to jerk off joe that wants to get off for cheap......

jim

[necoeds]

and by the way, it's not hard to get people to take out their credit cards.... i don't know what planet you're on... or what shitty ass program you're supporting..... but it's easy.... and if i did a good job.... i'd have the best retention.......

[AM Jeff]

lmao...go do it then.

I don't think you'll have any competition.
Nobody here I seriously doubt, that are seasoned will try it.


Thing I'm trying to get you to understand....

What makes you think webmasters are gonna give you access to their sites for this? Even if they pay you 50%, and you charge $2.99. They ain't gonna wanna piddle with making $1.50 per sale when they can make $29.95 or much more.
Honestly..I don't see any webmasters giving you access to shit..and be able to cover their bandwith.
Besides....content providers ONLY lisense the buyer of the content..not other webmasters that wanna use stuff they haven't purchased.


Also...How are other Webmasters gonna make money promoting your site?

Also...How are you gonna make money?

Why would they sign up for your site that offer a bunch of little sites with 100 or so pics, maybe a video when they can get that for free elsewhere? (Persiankitty, TGP, Pic Post, etc.)
PK ONLY list quality sites and people know that.

Also..why buy into your site that offers little what you have when they can go join a site that offers 250K or even 500K photos and 200K in videos with live sex feeds? Plus..they can buy a trial membership for $2.99 also there.
BUT...with ALOT more content.

Where you gonna by traffic from? TGP post?
If so...your conversions will STILL be shitty.

Its harder to get people to yank out their credit card than you think.
Even regular retail sites have these problems.

See where I am coming from?
I'm trying to save you alot of aggrivation and money.

If you think ya can still make a killing at this..by all means..try it.
You'll learn from you mistakes.

[Shaggy]

Originally posted by necoeds
and by the way, it's not hard to get people to take out their credit cards.... i don't know what planet you're on... or what shitty ass program you're supporting..... but it's easy.... and if i did a good job.... i'd have the best retention.......

Nobody here is jealous of your idea. You think we are down grading your idea because we are jealous. We are just sharing experience with you and trying to save you time and money.

But with comments like this, I will change my mind and tell you that your idea is great and to go for it. Because I would now like to see you fail. Go for it

lmao

[Shaggy]

btw, $1.50 would cover about a 1/3 of how much band I pay for each member a month. I would loose money using your idea.

[JamesK]

jeff shut up. im starting to hate you

[AM Jeff]

lmao Wildcards...

This like a love - hate relationship?
See is I give ya some anymore..lol

[necoeds]

Ok, i think you all mis-understand my idea.... AND FUCK YOU, I know how much bandwidth a member costs.... I OWN A VERY SUCCESSFUL PAYSITE.....

I don't know how much it costs you, but i pay 75 cents a gig, and there is no way in hell that the entire site would be a gig in size..... And i'm in NO WAY going to be involved with reviewing pay-sites that don't have 100%, or at least close to 100% exclusive content....... Mainly because i would never want to guide a customers to a shitty ass site (like am jeff's )

And honestly i really don't care about how much it'd make me, directly, but it sure as hell won't be hurting my pay site in anyway.....

And I do value ALL of the constructive comments in this thread.... I really do, i mean it's helped me shape the structure of the site.... WHICH i'll be launching in about 2 weeks to let you guys crtique it in it's entirety......

All i have to say is that I have a similar section in the member's area of my site, where i show off content (all athorized) to another site (just 1 so far) and it's converted at 1:9 clicks from my member's section to the other paysite.... and almost all of my 921 paying members (currently on rebill status) have clicked on it..... which has made me some really descent cash.......

[AM Jeff]

Woooooo....lmao

Then be my fucking guest.

When your ass hurts and wallet is dry.
Remember...we warned you...lmaoooo

Btw..what sucessful paysites do you run?
Wanna messure whois is bigger?
I bet...my dick is bigger than yours too..but you already knew that.

Its ok..
I'll still let you suck my dick in the morning thou..lol

[AM Jeff]

Oh..btw.

1 in 9 ratio?

Lmao...ok then.

Like I'm sure anyone is gonna believe that...NOT.

If you average 1:9...I average 1:2

Right

[necoeds]

Whatever AM jeff....

It is a 1:9 ratio of my members clicking from my member's section to the site........

My overall site convertion ratio is 1:190 or so right now... i have pleanty of guys helping me, and there are even a couple here on gfy.... so go yourself.......

Damn turkish imbred...... You're really starting to piss me off.....

[foe]

Worth trying I think

[AM Jeff]

Foe...would you try it?
lmao....

[AM Jeff]

btw...I'm not Turkish Inbred.

If I was...I'd be your Daddy.
So, I'm not.

I'm Kentucky Inbred..there is a difference..lol

[Shaggy]

Originally posted by AM Jeff
btw...I'm not Turkish Inbred.

If I was...I'd be your Daddy.

lol

[X37375787]

hey nocoeds, I'm working on a review site as well - if you wanna exchange info, hit me up

155421

[Cheeba Filas]

Necoeds what you have planned has already been attempted by us and it failed. After spending $600 month in bandwidth we had to cut the fat. Yeah word got around we had free porn, but we made no money with our affiliates. So we said fuck that first 6 months site was up.

I understand what you are trying to create, but you will realise all you'll do is create another problem for our industry. We have pic-post, tgp's and whatever else. If you take a look at our site UCumSeeMe.com you'll see a small Pic of the moment, a Top ten List with Site Reviews, a bunch of fluff and the site does very well now. We have paid advertisement and my client's are happy with the traffic. I will never put free porn on a Site Review or Portal Site again. Yeah you'll get the traffic, but you'll have no conversion's and if I can go to your site for thousands of free porn for $2.95 why would I pay $29.95 anywhere else.

All your creating is another AVS, Hell just review the sites and put up avs's on all the doorway's to the content. But all that would do is piss some of your webste owners off. The best solution for TGP's is burn them all, you can love them or hate them. I hate them but I'm forced to use them as a marketing strategy.

It was a good Idea but it's not effective. Spending is spontanious in this industry the savy surfer know's better. You have to make them think there not looking at a porn site then you'll get there money. So don't present any new problems to our industry that could hurt us any worse. But it was a good Idea...

[X37375787]

Cheeba is right. Too much free content is lethal for a review site. Why should the surfer click any of your darn links if he already got off to the 100s of free pics you served him ? That doesn't make any sense. You'll just hurt your conversions.

[AM Jeff]

Might of worked 5 or 6 years ago when the surfers were still so new to the web and had no clue where to find smut.
Now..you have all kinds of trash.
But won't work nowdays..thats my point.
Been tried by hundreds, if not thousands of webmasters..even using free sites with NO charges..and got beat.

Too much trash out there thats free.

Why count pennies when you can count dollars?