Correct WHOIS info - MUST READ

[Fletch XXX]

Ummmm....

I got an email stating if I do not update the whois contact on sites, it will be deleted.

All info is correct except the phone number.

No clue why, but this is what I got.

'It has come to our attention that one or more of your domain names lists inaccurate information in the WHOIS contact database. To avoid losing your domain(s), please update this information within 15 days.'

Whats funny is.

They claim all my info to be incorrect here...

'Errors in Registrant Information:
Name: INCORRECT
Address: INCORRECT
Phone: INCORRECT
Description: No valid name has been provided. It does not appear that an individual lives at the address provided. The phone number provided does not = exist.


Errors in Administrative Contact Information:
Name: INCORRECT
Address: INCORRECT
Phone: INCORRECT
Description: No valid name has been provided. It does not appear that an individual lives at the address provided. The phone number provided does not = exist.


Errors in Technical Contact Information:
Name: INCORRECT
Address: INCORRECT
Phone: INCORRECT
Description: No valid name has been provided. It does not appear that an individual lives at the address provided. The phone number provided does not = exist.'

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Now first off, ALL THE INFO SUPPLIED was and IS correct.

I use my PO BOX as my addy and all contact info is correct.

They obviously emailed me this so contact is right.

Any thought?

Im setting up a line for it no biggy, but I tyhink this is bullshit honestly, since they straight up say my address and name, and everything is fake when its not.

And are now threatening to delete domains?

WTF?

;)

[dnsmonster]

Who is your registrar?

[jennycards]

The question is: WHO sent this mail and can he be verified?

I guess it's just a hoax.

[Fletch XXX]

DirectNIC.

And I always talk so good of them.

I wonder if someone could have mailed them or something saying its incorrect?

[hyper]

you can report domains with false info at www.internic.com

[marzzo]

sounds like you and 49thParallel have the same stalker!

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
DirectNIC.

And I always talk so good of them.

I wonder if someone could have mailed them or something saying its incorrect?

DirectNic blows monkey scrotum.

[cherrylula]

What I would like to know is what exactly would they do with the domain name, it they actually took it? Resell it again? wtf? What a load of crap.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head


DirectNic blows monkey scrotum.

Amp ive used DirectNIC for close to 4 years and some of my earliest domains were regged with them.

Im talking about yeeeears.

So far they have never done anything bad. And I have never had issues with them, in fact theyve kicked ass in regards to not making ONE FUCK up in 4 years.

Why do you say they suck? reason?

As far as the mail being a hoax, I doubt it - the headers point to directnic server mail.

[x582]

The same thing happened to us and we are using OpenSRS. They even sent us a letter to the P.O. Box address attached to our domains.

We called the dude on the phone and he said that he didn't know what was wrong. So he said - "you're fine!"

When we got that letter, I was so nervous - I didn't want them to delete my domains for christ sakes... But everything was fine.

I remember that I read somewhere that some registrars were fined by some "authority" because a lot of domains were showing false informations. So I guess they are trying to fix the situation and they might be overwhelmed and can't handle it properly.

[Gemini]

NetSol was made the regulatory company to enforce the whois dbase and they are coming down on directnic etc to get the dbase updated. Call netsol and directnic (or whoever your reg is) both to straighten up things when they say you have wrong info.

ARIN will take the domains if it isn't straightened up. Remember you are 'leasing' the names... you do NOT own them.

[Backov]

This whole "must have correct info" in the whois db is bullshit.

It's just a big database for spammers, of all types.. I think that it should be what it effectively is now - an OPTIONAL place to fill in your data. Your registrar should know who owns it, as you paid for it, but other than that, no one else needs to know.

Cheers,
Backov

[Fletch XXX]

I dont mind putting corrct info.

My contact is always my po box.

I just dont sit easy knowing anyone can get a phone number and be calling me here.

My boat is a small one, but I make big waves.

[UncleJimmy]

I agree with Bakov totally

buy your domains at joker.com and don't worry about it

US based companies will eventually get sucked into the whole 'fuck your privacy/war on terrorism' shit anyways...

they should have that shit in private sections, and they can always track who's domain it is by who paid for it...and even more so once the pentagon starts officially tracking all that information in a few years. :/

[Gemini]

We've had our company line on our domains since 95, with caller ID. If anyone has called from getting that number on the whois, they must have come thru as unknown (which we don't answer) lol If someone really wants us, they'd leave a mssg. Just part of doing business.

[Brujah]

The Registrar had to notify you when someone else complains about it. Its happening a lot lately. I've gotten them too. My best guess is someone wants your domain name, and they're complaining that the info is inaccurate or incomplete so that the registrar will delete it.

You might have to add a phone number, or fix an email or something but the registrar just wants you to tell them that the info is correct and thats the end of it.

[BradShaw]

My best guess is someone wants your domain name,

OR, you pissed off someone and they are trying to cause you problems. That is more likely.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Brujah
The Registrar had to notify you when someone else complains about it. Its happening a lot lately. I've gotten them too. My best guess is someone wants your domain name, and they're complaining that the info is inaccurate or incomplete so that the registrar will delete it.

You might have to add a phone number, or fix an email or something but the registrar just wants you to tell them that the info is correct and thats the end of it.

Ya know fucking what.

I just looked and its a dot com, and some prick registered the dot net version.

Too coincidental? I doubt it since ove owned the domain not very long and just regged it myself.

Funny.

Thats obviously what it is.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by BradShaw


OR, you pissed off someone and they are trying to cause you problems. That is more likely.

Impossible.

no one knows I own this domain. - its brand new.

And the irony is, im redirecting it to SIC CASH until I develop it.

[Peaches]

no one knows I own this domain. - its brand new.

Maybe whomever owned it before you is trying to get it back - albeit a really stupid way

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Peaches


Maybe whomever owned it before you is trying to get it back - albeit a really stupid way

I don't think anyone owned it before me.

The .net was regged after me.

Who knows.

[DrewKole]

I personally have almost all of my domains with directnic...

I like the guys over there, and with their credit card saving feature, it takes me literally 10 seconds to buy a new domain... from concept to receipt... gotta love that. =P

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by DrewKole
I personally have almost all of my domains with directnic...

I like the guys over there, and with their credit card saving feature, it takes me literally 10 seconds to buy a new domain... from concept to receipt... gotta love that. =P

True.

Although some drunken nights it backfires on ya.

hahaha

[Backov]

Yep, we use Directnic and I love it. Been using it since shortly after I started in this biz.

I do love that remember CC feature as well, makes it easy as hell to buy new domains.

Cheers,
Backov

[DrewKole]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


True.

Although some drunken nights it backfires on ya.

hahaha

Ya... I thought thegaynewbiesofgfy.com was gonna be a killer site last week, while keeping some grey goose comfort...

Now, I see the error in my ways...

[UnseenWorld]

I moved all my domains from NetSol to DirectNIC, after being happy with DirectNIC for 2 years. You can even phone them and talk to an actual person, something which only happened with NetSol after VeriSign took over.

As long as they exhaust all available options (in your contact data) at reaching you before shutting off the domain, I'm all for it. And then, the shouldn't be resold for a period of 30 or 60 days to give the purchaser a chance to notice something is wrong and get things straightened out. After all, people move, get new addresses and phone numbers, etc. It's hard to make all the changes at once and it's easy to forget something like updating domain contact info.

If somebody wants to operate a domain with absolutely no way of reaching them: no good address, no good phone, and not even a webmaster@ e-mail address, I smell something fishy. I think giving correct information is part of being a real business entity and not some sort of fly-by-night operation that lives under a rock.

[Mr.Fiction]

Take the warning very seriously and make sure you handle it with your registrar.

They will delete your domain without further warning if you don't take care of it. I recently talked to someone who had their domain deleted after one warning about bad WHOIS info.

They don't fuck around.

[archer]

Originally posted by BradShaw


OR, you pissed off someone and they are trying to cause you problems. That is more likely.

exactly. And it's a good way too.

btw.... directnic is not your registrar! directnic is just a reseller.
you're actual registrar is tucows.com

best to jump through the hoops, 'update' your info, and then complain.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by archer


exactly. And it's a good way too.

btw.... directnic is not your registrar! directnic is just a reseller.
you're actual registrar is tucows.com

best to jump through the hoops, 'update' your info, and then complain.

Directnic is an ICANN registrar now, on their own. Some old Directnic domains may still be through TUCOWS, but Directnic have been their own registrar for a while now.

[.:Frog:.]

First of all, all my info is correct, but do these companies only ask US people to use correct info or is it for everyone?

I remember an article about a new law saying false whois info could lead to jail, but that was only some US thing.

[Honeyslut]

I think Fletch is correct in saying it is probably the person who bought the net version of his domain.

[chodadog]

Originally posted by Backov
This whole "must have correct info" in the whois db is bullshit.

It's just a big database for spammers, of all types.. I think that it should be what it effectively is now - an OPTIONAL place to fill in your data. Your registrar should know who owns it, as you paid for it, but other than that, no one else needs to know.

Cheers,
Backov

This is probably the best option you'll find. Owned and operated by Godaddy.

http://domainsbyproxy.com/

[Fletch XXX]

Well this is the guy who registered the .net version.

Marc Lancer
7145983659
2100 North California BLVD
Walnut Creek, FL 33442
US

.net Created: 09/04/2002 12:49:06

my .com Record created on 08-22-2002

Beat ya motherfucker.

hahaha

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Well this is the guy who registered the .net version.

Marc Lancer
7145983659
2100 North California BLVD
Walnut Creek, FL 33442
US

.net Created: 09/04/2002 12:49:06

my .com Record created on 08-22-2002

Beat ya motherfucker.

hahaha

dude, his info is fake. Better email directnic hehehe

[SpaceAce]

Originally posted by UncleJimmy
I agree with Bakov totally

buy your domains at joker.com and don't worry about it

I've been getting my domains at Joker for years. I've Never had any trouble and they have a lot of nice tools to make domain administration easy.

SpaceAce

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by .:Frog:.
First of all, all my info is correct, but do these companies only ask US people to use correct info or is it for everyone?

I remember an article about a new law saying false whois info could lead to jail, but that was only some US thing.

I believe the jail thing is US law, but losing your domain could apply to anyone anywhere.

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by chodadog


This is probably the best option you'll find. Owned and operated by Godaddy.

http://domainsbyproxy.com/

It's a business built on a scare tactic.

All that's really necessary to comply is *accurate* information. It doesn't have to be your real home address or your home phone (it can be a drop box and voicemail number or cell phone), and it can be a @hotmail.com e-mail address if you're paranoid or just a very private person. You can also register under a company name rather than your real name, if your name is uncommon enough to justify it.

[Cogitator]

It sounds to me like Netsol is trying to scare people into registering with them!

[LiveDose]

Fletch,

Get yourself a number at j2.com. It won't be local (unless you pay) but it is free and reliable for a business contact phone number. You'll get an email when you have a voicemail messages and you can also receive faxes.

[chodadog]

Originally posted by UnseenWorld
It's a business built on a scare tactic.

All that's really necessary to comply is *accurate* information. It doesn't have to be your real home address or your home phone (it can be a drop box and voicemail number or cell phone), and it can be a @hotmail.com e-mail address if you're paranoid or just a very private person. You can also register under a company name rather than your real name, if your name is uncommon enough to justify it.

Are you referring to domains by proxy? If so, i don't think it's a scare tactic at all. I'd say many people would use it for the very reasons Backov mentioned.

[donsimon]

I'm the product development manager at directNIC so I know exactly how the invalid WHOIS system works that ICANN recently implemented. I'll try to explain it as best as I can.

On September 3, 2002, the vice president of ICANN sent a letter to Network Solutions/Verisign about domains that had invalid WHOIS information. The whole letter is located at http://www.icann.org/correspondence/...th-03sep02.htm. Because of this letter ICANN decided that it would allow everybody to submit to them invalid WHOIS information via a web form at http://www.internic.net/cgi/rpt_whois/rpt.cgi.

The form let's anybody submit to ICANN a domain that has invalid WHOIS information. ICANN after a few days then forwards the complaint on to the domain registrar. We then have 15 days to get the information corrected or we are required to delete the domain. This goes for all domain registrars. I don't like it, but it's a rule that I must follow.

Just because you get one of the emails that does not mean that your information is invalid. For example, just yesterday we received one from ICANN about a domain that has completely valid information. ICANN does not verify if the information is valid or not, that is for the registrar to determine if its correct or not.

What we have noticed recently is that if you spam from the domain, have a really good domain, piss somebody off, or have questionable content on you site, people submit these domains to ICANN as having invalid WHOIS information. They hope that the domain will be deleted or whatever.

At directNIC we were an opensrs reseller, we still are, but we are no longer registering domains with them. Since April 2001, we have been an ICANN accredited domain registrar.

This invalid WHOIS thing is not a hoax. Registrars are deleting domains on a daily basis! So I would definitely recommend to everybody no matter who you use to register domains to make sure your contact information is correct and up to date.

If anybody has any questions about this, let me know.

Donny
directNIC

[Fletch XXX]

Donny - It's awesome to have a DirectNIC guy here.

No problems, I plan on calling tomorrow to make sure the folks at DirectNic, know my info is correct and its some guy trying to hassle me about getting a domain before he could.

Nice to meet ya.

;)

[donsimon]

Fletch it's no problem. We are always watching the boards and only make ourselves known when the time is right. And this was one of those times.

If you have any problems tomorrow send me an email and I will see what I can do for you.

Donny
directNIC

[directfiesta]

I have a few domains with Directnic, no problem.

Thumbs up for the answer directly from Directnic...

A lot of class

[marzzo]

Thanks for clearing up some details Don

Kinda funny to see Namezero.com on ICANN's list!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by donsimon
I'm the product development manager at directNIC so I know exactly how the invalid WHOIS system works that ICANN recently implemented. I'll try to explain it as best as I can.

On September 3, 2002, the vice president of ICANN sent a letter to Network Solutions/Verisign about domains that had invalid WHOIS information. The whole letter is located at http://www.icann.org/correspondence/...th-03sep02.htm. Because of this letter ICANN decided that it would allow everybody to submit to them invalid WHOIS information via a web form at http://www.internic.net/cgi/rpt_whois/rpt.cgi.

The form let's anybody submit to ICANN a domain that has invalid WHOIS information. ICANN after a few days then forwards the complaint on to the domain registrar. We then have 15 days to get the information corrected or we are required to delete the domain. This goes for all domain registrars. I don't like it, but it's a rule that I must follow.

Just because you get one of the emails that does not mean that your information is invalid. For example, just yesterday we received one from ICANN about a domain that has completely valid information. ICANN does not verify if the information is valid or not, that is for the registrar to determine if its correct or not.

What we have noticed recently is that if you spam from the domain, have a really good domain, piss somebody off, or have questionable content on you site, people submit these domains to ICANN as having invalid WHOIS information. They hope that the domain will be deleted or whatever.

At directNIC we were an opensrs reseller, we still are, but we are no longer registering domains with them. Since April 2001, we have been an ICANN accredited domain registrar.

This invalid WHOIS thing is not a hoax. Registrars are deleting domains on a daily basis! So I would definitely recommend to everybody no matter who you use to register domains to make sure your contact information is correct and up to date.

If anybody has any questions about this, let me know.

Donny
directNIC

Don.

I just got a 24 warning about this.

I had already updated the info and im getting the 'correct info warning again'

this guy is harrassing me man.

Im trying to call directnic right now looking for the number, I do NOT WANT TO LOSE my domain because some prick thinks its funny climing my info is incorrect.

[Va2k]

Hey ya might want to talk with gemini Gem was setting something up to cover other webmasters whois info, so if you want to cover your domains, talk to her. She was going to provide a PO, city, email and phone for a small monthly charge.

[vending_machine]

They will remove your domain if you don't comply, I've seen it happen and it sucks. Usually you can just fax them something with your letterhead if you have it and prove them wrong.

Thing is, anyone can do this now (AFAIK), and they (the registrar) have to contact you and you have to prove that your information is correct. If not they will disable the domain.

[Fletch XXX]

I just got off the phone with directNIc.

Everythings good.

Where do these people 'report' bad whois info anyway?

[archer]

donsimon was bang on ......

gotta take those emails seriously....

i wonder what directnic would do in a situation where there is clear harassment ie multiple ICAAN submissions over time.