Free Speech Coalition Takes on 2257 Amendments

[railz]

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040827/laf035_1.html

[Jeppe]

[ProjectPat]

protect free speach

that's my advice of the day

[Methodcash Rick]

Good news indeed....

[TheSenator]

fuck Assssholehahahahaha

[Basic_man]

Originally posted by ProjectPat
protect free speach

that's my advice of the day

It's speech, not speach :D

[pornguy]

Now the question is, how far will they get? I hope that they can really make an effect.

[Khun]

SAid it before in the other thread so I will say it again here. Damn good news!

[SKULL]

[Slick]

Oh yeah, bring in the reinforcements !!!

[European Lee]

I personally dont see how this is a free speech issue..

These proposed changes arent telling us we cant do something but rather making sure we do it legitamately.

Regards,

Lee

[European Lee]

Oh yeah and when did i tell them they could speak for me?

As the trade association of the adult entertainment industry, representing all the diverse creators and distributors of adult products and services, Free Speech Coalition continues to serve as the voice of this industry in fighting against regulations that unfairly target our industry.

Fucking assclowns.

Regards,

Lee

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by European Lee
Oh yeah and when did i tell them they could speak for me?



Fucking assclowns.

Regards,

Lee

You were busy sucking dick the day everyone appointed them to speak for the industry.

Retards,

stock

[gornyhuy]

Thank GOD there is an organized resistance to it...

[xenigo]

Originally posted by European Lee
I personally dont see how this is a free speech issue..

These proposed changes arent telling us we cant do something but rather making sure we do it legitamately.

Regards,

Lee

Wait wait, wait... hold up man. You don't think they're making efforts to try to stop us? How much more clear does it get, dude? When laws are being put in place to arrest us based on not having records as secondary producers, how is that NOT trying to fuck up our shit? Since when does anyone besides the primary producers need to have the actual model ID's and 2257 forms? Oh, and paper copies too... think about that.

"Legitimately"? Why don't you go suck G W's dick while you're at it, you're sounding just like him.

[SteveLightspeed]

Where do I send my donation?
I'll get behind this one right now.

The adult industry needs to stand together and fight for the right reasons, and this is one of them.

Steve Lightspeed

[Doc911]

Go Free Speech!

See Sig. I like the new flash I just put on it.

[xxxjay]

Hopefully there will be an injuction now.

[the Shemp]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Where do I send my donation?
I'll get behind this one right now.

The adult industry needs to stand together and fight for the right reasons, and this is one of them.

Steve Lightspeed

right on

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Where do I send my donation?
I'll get behind this one right now.

The adult industry needs to stand together and fight for the right reasons, and this is one of them.

Steve Lightspeed

Steve - Stan and I just finished talking and we agree with this.

We would like to send money as well.

I wish the ACLU would come out on this too.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by ProjectPat
protect free speach

that's my advice of the day

But we all know that asshole will win at the end of the day

[emmanuelle]

Originally posted by European Lee
Oh yeah and when did i tell them they could speak for me?



Fucking assclowns.

Regards,

Lee

Yet it's ok for the US gov to:

Tell ME- A Canadian how to run my business, simply because I'm forced to support my US affiliates and deal with a US billing company?

Put the privacy & safety of my models at risk?

Threaten to ruin smaller companies by burying them in paperwork and prosecuting them for clerical errors?

Use thrice-annual inspections as an excuse to harass any / all in this industry who might be considered even a secondary producer?


VIVA la FSC!!!!!!!!

[Honeyslut]

Originally posted by European Lee
I personally dont see how this is a free speech issue..

These proposed changes arent telling us we cant do something but rather making sure we do it legitamately.

Regards,

Lee

I think it is more the way the proposed changes were done. They were not taken to legislation and voted on. It should never have been an executive order.

[Honeyslut]

Originally posted by emmanuelle
Yet it's ok for the US gov to:

Tell ME- A Canadian how to run my business, simply because I'm forced to support my US affiliates and deal with a US billing company?

Put the privacy & safety of my models at risk?

Threaten to ruin smaller companies by burying them in paperwork and prosecuting them for clerical errors?

Use thrice-annual inspections as an excuse to harass any / all in this industry who might be considered even a secondary producer?


VIVA la FSC!!!!!!!!

Well said as ALWAYS, Emma.


I might add that as a person who works out of her home, I feel I have the right to use a po box so nobody harasses my family because my beliefs and theirs are different.


Oh, I don't wanna hear the get an office excuse.

[CET]

Yes!

Ever notice how regulations don't stop large and wealthy companies, but it destroies small and new start up companies? It's the same way that new tax laws end up taking more money out of the middle class rather then the upper class that was supposedly the original target.

Here's the plan: destroy the FCC, IRS, FBI, Department of Homeland Surveilance, er . . . I mean Security. Who's with me?

[clickhappy]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Where do I send my donation?

theres a contribute button here
http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/contact.htm#

[tony286]

a good read and refreshing to see.

[Doc911]

Originally posted by clickhappy
theres a contribute button here
http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/contact.htm#

http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/Join.htm

You can also call the number .here to make a donation by phone.


I'll fix the contribute button in just a second

[Doc911]

okay the contribute button is now fixed.

Thanks to all that support free speech

[Mutt]

My shooter MarcoP was onto this 2257 stuff a long time ago and made calls to the FSC - never got called back but glad to see they've stepped up as they are the right group to lead this fight.

i'll be contributing.

[Series]

Originally posted by European Lee
I personally dont see how this is a free speech issue..

On a constitutional note, Lee says, "the volume and complexity of those records will very likely chill the willingness of many to republish material, thus limiting the reach of constitutionally protected expression."

[Mutt]

uh.....not so fast. i just read the press release, all they've done so far is submit their comments like hundreds of others have including me and lots of others on GFY. thought they were going to step up and take on the govenrment in court.

[railz]

Not gonna let important shit like this get dropped to page 2 under piles of BS threads.

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by Mutt
uh.....not so fast. i just read the press release, all they've done so far is submit their comments like hundreds of others have including me and lots of others on GFY. thought they were going to step up and take on the govenrment in court. go

Good catch mutt.

Until something is either signed into effect or someone gets nabbed, I don't really think there's much more that can be done, since the comments period ended the day before the hearing.

And speaking of the hearing, has anyone here seen a copy of the transcripts yet? I don't think they've been released, not sure what is causing the delay.

[Manowar]

great news

[Xenophage]

bump for free speach

I guess I should make another donation

[railz]

I just searched every transcript archive I could find. Nothing yet.

[railz]

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Andrew Oosterbaan, Chief, Child
Exploitation and Obscenity Section, Criminal Division, United States
Department of Justice, Washington, DC 20530; (202) 514-5780. This is
not a toll-free number.

Well, here's a number. Anyone wanna call on Monday and find out?

[RawAlex]

European Lee: the potential infringement on free speech is clear: If the amoutn of paperwork and amount of effort required to exercise free speech is burdonsome, then free speech is restricted to only those who can afford the time and money to keep these records, which can easily be shown as a clear duplication that does not further the needs of the public.

Requiring an office to be open 7 days a week also means that individual secondary producers may not be able to comply with the act not matter WHAT they do - unless they never take a day off for the rest of their lives. That is an unfair burder for them to bear in order to exercise their right of free speech.

At the end of it all, the right to free speech in the US is the only thing that keeps porn available, otherwise Assclown and his bandits would have rounded up all the american webmasters and shot them at dawn.

Alex

[titmowse]

bump for the night shift

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by Honeyslut
Well said as ALWAYS, Emma.


I might add that as a person who works out of her home, I feel I have the right to use a po box so nobody harasses my family because my beliefs and theirs are different.


Oh, I don't wanna hear the get an office excuse.

Not that I agree with the regulations at all.....but how exactly can someone inspect your records at a PO BOX?

[GatorB]

Like I've said befoerr ther are PLENTY of people that will take teh DOJ to cvourt voer this and so as soon as the new rules become law there will be an injunction. All they have to do is drag this thru 2009 because by then Bush and Ashhahahahaha will be out of office for good.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by GatorB
Like I've said befoerr ther are PLENTY of people that will take teh DOJ to cvourt voer this and so as soon as the new rules become law there will be an injunction

I hope you're right about that....but people I've spoken with that are in-the-know tell me it'll take at least 600-800K to fight that battle in court.
I'm not so sure there are PLENTY of people with both the means and the willingness to fight that battle.

[GatorB]

Originally posted by Lenny2
I hope you're right about that....but people I've spoken with that are in-the-know tell me it'll take at least 600-800K to fight that battle in court.
I'm not so sure there are PLENTY of people with both the means and the willingness to fight that battle.

Considering this could affect GOOGLE, YAHOO and many other big companies I think there's enough cash to fight this. If you read the proposed regs Google could be in BIG time trouble with it's Google Images. Are they goign to get rid of the IMAGES section? No. Are the going to get 2257 info? No. Are they going to put up with Ashhahahahaha's BS rules? No.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by Lenny2
I hope you're right about that....but people I've spoken with that are in-the-know tell me it'll take at least 600-800K to fight that battle in court.
I'm not so sure there are PLENTY of people with both the means and the willingness to fight that battle.

I watched this industries attempt to come together and fight Acacia, I'm less sure it could fight the DOJ.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by GatorB
Considering this could affect GOOGLE, YAHOO and many other big companies I think there's enough cash to fight this. If you read the proposed regs Google could be in BIG time trouble with it's Google Images. Are they goign to get rid of the IMAGES section? No. Are the going to get 2257 info? No. Are they going to put up with Ashhahahahaha's BS rules? No.

Oh I see so you've spoken to the lead counsel for Google and Yahoo and know for a fact they're going to file a motion for declaratory judgement?

Your logic is flawed in two ways
1) The regs specifically state that to be considered a secondary producer you have to be the person who manages the content.(k) Manage content means to make editorial or managerial decisions concerning the content of a computer site or service.

Since google's image search is automated and the images aren't picked out by an actual human but grabbed randomly from the web by a program, they have a very strong argument based on that alone that they aren't secondary producers.

2) Its a really bad idea to plan your business based on the assumption that someone with deeper pockets than you is going to come to your rescue in the name of all that is right and good.

I hope that someone with deep pockets does indeed file for an injunction and have the resources and will to see it through, but you're wrong for blowing sunshine up people's asses by saying that you're all but sure that someone else is going to file a suit, and that someone else will indeed win that suit.

The last thing anyone should be thinking right now is that they have nothing to worry about.
We should all be hoping for the best but planning for the worst.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by charly
I watched this industries attempt to come together and fight Acacia, I'm less sure it could fight the DOJ.

Agreed.
This idea that "someone else" is going to file for an injunction is the same flawed thinking most webmasters used when saying that Microsoft, Real Networks, and Apple were going to fight Acacia for us......that didn't happen either.

[crockett]

sweet, I wonder if that means the free speech coalition will take it to court if the new rules do infact go into affect. That would at least put a halt to it for a few years.

[Honeyslut]

Originally posted by Lenny2
Not that I agree with the regulations at all.....but how exactly can someone inspect your records at a PO BOX?

I am not the producer ..

[Snake Doctor]

Originally posted by Honeyslut
I am not the producer ..

You still didn't answer my question.

How can someone inspect records at a PO BOX?
Whether or not you're a producer is something to argue in court for sure....but saying that you think you have a right to use a PO BOX makes no sense whatsoever.

If your position is that you're not a producer then the thing to do would be list no address for yourself whatsoever.....but a PO BOX doesn't make any sense.