Hungryman this isn't over regarding your debt to Ricki Lee

[CDSmith]

Sorry to have to bring this to the boards but what else can one do? It's been well over 18 months now..... Teen Angel (AKA: Ricki Lee) has been fucked over royally by two people. They know who they are, and if they think anyone has forgotten their little bullshit treatment of her they are sadly mistaken.

Hungryman

Buck Naked a.k.a. Pensfan

I recommend that no designers do design work for these two monkeys until it is posted here that they have paid Ricki Lee what they owe her. I further recommend that no one use either of their services until this outstanding delinquency is resolved.

Hungryman once complained that if he isn't getting any work then how can he pay his debts?.... well, I backed off then to allow him to earn that money.... he never paid her.

Pensfan/Buck Naked told me man-to-man that he WOULD pay her. He spoke of making smaller payments to her until the debt was covered, and TA confimed to me that that would be fine. She has to date received not one single payment.


Time to suffer.


Here is the ICQ conversation that just occured between Ricki Lee and myself.....


Teen Angel (2:21 PM) :
thanks for sticking up for me!
CD Smith (2:22 PM) :
I'm always here to help you, you know that.
Teen Angel (2:23 PM) :
Is tere ever anythign I can do for you though? I always feel it is one sided?
CD Smith (2:25 PM) :
If there ever is, I will certainly tell you about it.
CD Smith (2:26 PM) :
No word or payment ever from Hungryman or Buck Naked yet?
Teen Angel (2:26 PM) :
GOD NO! they will never pay me.. someone else that they owe money too is sending leg breakers to their house from here in australia!
CD Smith (2:28 PM) :
Has there been any contact between you and either of them in the past 4 to 6 months?
CD Smith (2:28 PM) :
Have you emailed them or anything?
Teen Angel (2:29 PM) :
I have icq'ed both. Bibabi said she woudl pay for pensfan but then I got a sob story from her too saying she couldn't pay me and that she was sorry.
hungryman just said how he can't pay his rent at the momentbla bla bla bal
CD Smith (2:30 PM) :
Okay, cool. Do I have your permission to post some of this on the boards?
Teen Angel (2:31 PM) :
ne second I will see if I can get any history from icq for you.
CD Smith (2:31 PM) :
I have it
CD Smith (2:31 PM) :
I just need your permission
Teen Angel (2:32 PM) :
you have my permission.
CD Smith (2:32 PM) :
Cool.



If any of you care about the level of professionalism and trust in this industry, you won't forget what has been done to Teen Angel here. This isn't right, not by a long shot. I still can't beleive that two otherwise likeable guys have saw fit to treat a very talented designer so shabbily. Frankly, I'm disgusted. There was a time when I could have called you friend.

Cheers.

[Libertine]

In other words, you want to fuck her. You go girl!

[LukieD]

Popcorn anyone?

[-=HOAX=-]

I will donate $300 bucks in free design work to TeenAngel if it helps at all...

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by punkworld
In other words, you want to fuck her. You go girl!

i think honest webmasters need to stick together against people that will rip you off. there's way too much of that bullshit going around.

[PostWhore]

got my popcorn ready

[TDF]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana


i think honest webmasters need to stick together against people that will rip you off. there's way too much of that bullshit going around.

someone understands the concept of family

[Libertine]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana


i think honest webmasters need to stick together against people that will rip you off. there's way too much of that bullshit going around.

There's a difference between sticking up for others and actually being the one to address the issue in the first place. People don't do that without a reason.

[JamesK]

Originally posted by -=HOAX=-
I will donate $300 bucks in free design work to TeenAngel if it helps at all...

K I donate a really tiny button (80x30px)

[Jon]

Oh bullocks!

You're officially not allowed to have a bitching post until Jeff answers a1ka1ine in the other one. There cannot be 2 bitching/fighting threads in one week, we need some space between the drama. Please withdraw your thread and start it back up next week.

[freeme]

Pens a TEEF???

Nahhhhhh

[Amputate Your Head]

it's an effort in futility CD..... she'll never see anything from either of them.

[CDSmith]

No bitching needed.
This thread isn't about bitching, there is no room for it. Work was done, debt was incurred, money was not paid.

It isn't about me having any sort of agenda. I know TA from the porncity bbs, and consider her a good friend. She isn't all that comfortable raising another huge board fuss over this, and I offered to help her out. I don't like seeing people I like fucked over like this. You shouldn't either.


Punkworld, you can shut your hole now.

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
it's an effort in futility CD..... she'll never see anything from either of them.

That's okay. I'm not going to make it easy for them though. This topic is now on 8 different boards, some of which are boards that Hungryman has run off to post on.


Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.

[Fletch XXX]

there exists 8 message boards?

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
there exists 8 message boards?

Nowadays, probably more like 50. Hitting the ones I know.

[stocktrader23]

Fucking scammers. May you get hit by a car and live in severe pain for the rest of your worthless fucking life.

(Did I just say that?)

[Libertine]

Originally posted by CDSmith
No bitching needed.
This thread isn't about bitching, there is no room for it. Work was done, debt was incurred, money was not paid.

It isn't about me having any sort of agenda. I know TA from the porncity bbs, and consider her a good friend. She isn't all that comfortable raising another huge board fuss over this, and I offered to help her out. I don't like seeing people I like fucked over like this. You shouldn't either.

Punkworld, you can shut your hole now.

I was actually kidding, mostly.

However, since part of any person's business is raising money owed to them, and in the adult biz specifically using the boards for that, it might be a wise idea for her to take such matters into her own hands. Relying on other people tends to hinder one's own development, and also generally gets taken less seriously.

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by punkworld
However, since part of any person's business is raising money owed to them, and in the adult biz specifically using the boards for that, it might be a wise idea for her to take such matters into her own hands. Relying on other people tends to hinder one's own development, and also generally gets taken less seriously.

Normally you'd be correct. But in this case, you aren't.



She is in Australia. Her debtors are in N. America. There is only so much she can do, and you don't know what she has been through and what upset this has caused her for the past year and a half. There comes a point when one becomes mentally exhausted over such a frustration. Can you basically understand that?

[Libertine]

Originally posted by CDSmith
Normally you'd be correct. But in this case, you aren't.



She is in Australia. Her debtors are in N. America. There is only so much she can do, and you don't know what she has been through and what upset this has caused her for the past year and a half. There comes a point when one becomes mentally exhausted over such a frustration. Can you basically understand that?

Well, I don't know the specifics of this case, so I'll take your word for it

[dig420]

the sad thing about a guy like Pensfan is that he's really talented, but he'd rather steal a dime than earn a dollar. He worked for me about two months, collected unemployment for about a year. Sold me just about all of Bestat's toon content (exclusivecontent.com) when he had no ownership of it. Gave me a great deal though!

[Va2k]

If she is waiting on a design, I can try and do it for her free of charge I then can put it on my samples, [email protected]


TOM

[funkmaster]

Originally posted by CDSmith
Sorry to have to bring this to the boards but what else can one do? It's been well over 18 months now.....

... 18 month on the net is like 25 years in real life ... just let it die.

[Lykos]

CDSmith is right...Hungryman is one bad man....
Last summer i paid him to design me 20 galleries...i paid him all money in advance and i got design for 2 galleries after 3 months!!!!And one design was done by him and other design was stollen from some sponsor site...he just copied that gallery and paste it to me,so he still owns me 18 designed galleries or money...I paid him 50$ for each gallery to be done so u see how much money was that...not maybe big money for someone but for me then it was,and even i get one stollen design and only one real which could be make by a 3 year old child.My nickname on ICQ was Munja then,...now i changed icq but i am 100% shure he remember me well couse he owns me big money for that..this is first time i told to anyone but i had too couse now i see i am not the only one screwed here...Hope u will get that bastard to pay all he owns!!!

[cherrylula]

the internet is one big message board.

[-=HUNGRYMAN=-]

Originally posted by Lykos

Last summer i paid him to design me 20 galleries...i paid him all money in advance and i got design for 2 galleries after 3 months!!!!And one design was done by him and other design was stollen from some sponsor site...he just copied that gallery and paste it to me,so he still owns me 18 designed galleries or money...I paid him 50$ for each gallery to be done so u see how much money was that...

OKAY ... I was not going to reply here ... but that made me fukking laugh out loud !!!

20 fucking galleries ??? give me a fucking break man ... you got 6 galleries form me .... and all were delivered ... and sorry, I do not "steal sponsor galleries asswipe !!

Should I post your paypal record ?? it is not no 20 galleries at $50 each ... hahahaha

What I wanna know is what is in it for you to talk trash like that about me ?? Is CD Smith paying you ? or are you friends of JayJay ??

[-=HUNGRYMAN=-]

Lycos is the same guy who bugged me for 6 months to write him a GUARANTOR'S LETTER, so he could come to Canada to see some girl from back home that is now living here, and he misses her ...

Given my financial situation, and the fact I really knew nothing about him other than our single business transaction, I declined his request ... I guess he holds a grudge

OK ... this board is making me itch (that I want to start pissing again ...) so I'm outa here.

[XxXotic]

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-


OKAY ... I was not going to reply here ... but that made me fukking laugh out loud !!!

20 fucking galleries ??? give me a fucking break man ... you got 6 galleries form me .... and all were delivered ... and sorry, I do not "steal sponsor galleries asswipe !!

Should I post your paypal record ?? it is not no 20 galleries at $50 each ... hahahaha

What I wanna know is what is in it for you to talk trash like that about me ?? Is CD Smith paying you ? or are you friends of JayJay ??

paul, that's not the issue, the issue at hand which needs to be addressed is TA.

Seriously dude, what the fuck?

[Ludedude]

You're one fucked up dude Hungryman.

Last summer, when you were down on your luck and literally begging for money, lots of people on this board, myself included, sent you bucks via paypal. How do you repay the favor? No one here asked to be paid back...I certainly didn't...but to then turn around and fuck other people out of money you owe them is the lowest form of slimy behavior.

You're not a businessman, you don't belong in this industry with the rest of us who pay our bills and you sure as hell have no place on this board pretending you're one of us.

Karma's a bitch. Don't look for handouts the next time you fall on your face. There's no more here for you.

[Tala]

Dayum.
TA, I hope for the best for you, hon. I doubt you'll ever see your money, and that sucks, but I do appreciate you and CD making sure that the rest of us know who NOT to deal with.

[Lykos]

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-


OKAY ... I was not going to reply here ... but that made me fukking laugh out loud !!!

20 fucking galleries ??? give me a fucking break man ... you got 6 galleries form me .... and all were delivered ... and sorry, I do not "steal sponsor galleries asswipe !!

Should I post your paypal record ?? it is not no 20 galleries at $50 each ... hahahaha

What I wanna know is what is in it for you to talk trash like that about me ?? Is CD Smith paying you ? or are you friends of JayJay ??

Hehehe,i even don't know CDSmith and JayJay personaly....and one more thing:Go post paypal recored please!!!U r a bastard,i paid u by Western Union couse i didn't have credi card then..hehehe...once again u r trying to lay!!!"paypal record"-hahaha....i would really like it to see that
6 galleries?yeah 6 times 6 galleries))
My coming to Canada?that is good one...
And remember one thing no one is paying me to write the truth here,....in hope they will make u pay all debth u own!U srewed too many pople here and no one belive u!And please show me paypal recordU r nuts and non-proffesional..u just screw people here and get away every time...But hope u won't this time!

[-=HUNGRYMAN=-]

Understood ... and I am in 100% agreement LudeDude

CD states this debt is 18 months old ... that means it existed when I was down in my luck ... do the math

I have never recovered from that ... I keep waking up hoping today is going to be brighter than yesterday was ....

You ever had to live like that ???

I just have a tough outer shell, so I try not to let it show ... but that has been my life for the past 2 years

[FATPad]

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-


OKAY ... I was not going to reply here ... but that made me fukking laugh out loud !!!

20 fucking galleries ??? give me a fucking break man ... you got 6 galleries form me .... and all were delivered ... and sorry, I do not "steal sponsor galleries asswipe !!

Should I post your paypal record ?? it is not no 20 galleries at $50 each ... hahahaha

What I wanna know is what is in it for you to talk trash like that about me ?? Is CD Smith paying you ? or are you friends of JayJay ??

Not one word about paying Teen Angel?

That's fucked.

[Theo]

Originally posted by NiteChatDotTV
Oh bullocks!

You're officially not allowed to have a bitching post until Jeff answers a1ka1ine in the other one. There cannot be 2 bitching/fighting threads in one week, we need some space between the drama. Please withdraw your thread and start it back up next week.

lol true

[freeme]

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
Understood ... and I am in 100% agreement LudeDude

CD states this debt is 18 months old ... that means it existed when I was down in my luck ... do the math

I have never recovered from that ... I keep waking up hoping today is going to be brighter than yesterday was ....

You ever had to live like that ???

I just have a tough outer shell, so I try not to let it show ... but that has been my life for the past 2 years

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

You fucking Theif

Pay up

have a nice day

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
CD states this debt is 18 months old ... that means it existed when I was down in my luck ... do the math

I have never recovered from that ... I keep waking up hoping today is going to be brighter than yesterday was ....

You ever had to live like that ???

But Paul my friend, you left off one vital thing here.... you were paid by the client for TA's work that she did for you. Paul... you were paid in full. That payment from the client included TA's fees. You chose to keep those fees rather than pay her for her work. Why? Being "down on your luck" isn't a good enough reason for stealing, and after this long a time Paul, what other term would you like me to attribute this?



And I don't know exactly what the duration of the debt is. I do know that it is a long time, it may be 10 or 12 months, it may be closer to a year and a half. TA would know for sure of the exact dates. That is not the issue though.

[FlyingIguana]

enron execs were down on their luck i guess. so everyone should forgive them because afteral, they were going through rough times.

poor guys

[voodooman]

Fuck ALL Enron cockholsters. I wish them a slow, painful death, maybe by car wreck with a gas leak that ignites and melts their skin off slowly until their brains start oozing out their nose.

As for HM, dude, I remember when everyone was helping you out, did you blow this money and everything else on shit?
Your in, or was in the porn biz, even back then if you wasnt lazy and did a little work everyday you would be able to pay rent, food, car, debts, etc...

Pretty poor excuse givin the industry your involved in.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by voodooman
Fuck ALL Enron cockholsters. I wish them a slow, painful death, maybe by car wreck with a gas leak that ignites and melts their skin off slowly until their brains start oozing out their nose.

As for HM, dude, I remember when everyone was helping you out, did you blow this money and everything else on shit?
Your in, or was in the porn biz, even back then if you wasnt lazy and did a little work everyday you would be able to pay rent, food, car, debts, etc...

Pretty poor excuse givin the industry your involved in.

it obviously wasn't enough. if you guys were more generous maybe other people would have been paid.

[-=HUNGRYMAN=-]

CD ... you have my phone number

I don't wish to have a battle of wits with the ass clown brigade on this board ... that is why I have been avoiding it like SARS.

You guys call me thief, liar , asshole, fuckhead ... whatever you want ... but at least I am still here to face the music ...

Where are Pornsuite, Rollin, and several others whern the going got rough - they got going !! ... and everybody just forgot about them ...

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
Understood ... and I am in 100% agreement LudeDude

CD states this debt is 18 months old ... that means it existed when I was down in my luck ... do the math

I have never recovered from that ... I keep waking up hoping today is going to be brighter than yesterday was ....

You ever had to live like that ???

I just have a tough outer shell, so I try not to let it show ... but that has been my life for the past 2 years

It's funny how some boys become men at 12, 14, 18 years old and others die without ever knowing how it feels to live a man. If "down on your luck" is your excuse you will get no sympathy from anyone. You are a sorry excuse for a human being.

Fuck you.

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
CD ... you have my phone number

You guys call me thief, liar , asshole, fuckhead ... whatever you want ... but at least I am still here to face the music ...

My biggest issue is probably the fact that you were paid in full and withheld the designer's cut. I am not about empty name-calling, I leave that to the rabble.


Soon for the phone call. Expect it soon.

[harvey]

Originally posted by CDSmith
Hungryman

Buck Naked a.k.a. Pensfan

I recommend that no designers do design work for these two monkeys until it is posted here that they have paid Ricki Lee what they owe her. I further recommend that no one use either of their services until this outstanding delinquency is resolved.

Hungryman once complained that if he isn't getting any work then how can he pay his debts?.... well, I backed off then to allow him to earn that money.... he never paid her.

So you're saying you backed them even when you know they were scamming the designers who REALLY did the work? If so, then you're somehow responsible on this matter. See, this guy Hungryman is a con artist, and he ALWAYS gets another chance from "buddies" to keep scamming people. I'm too lazy to do a search here or on almost any other board I know, but I can assure you he's not exactly somebody to "back off". And if he's in so many troubles, well, what can I say? Maybe he'd start to do his own work, pay his dues, respect people, etc? Don't you think the people he screwed has financial problems and he's one of the responsible for this situation?

Anyway...

The only "answer" he gives here is not "I'll pay you no matter how hard it is to do it", but "hey, I had problems 1 and a half year, so I'm allowed not to pay"

A funny one: Once I made a design and the client was very happy and she told me "I'll show your design to Hungryman". By that time I didn't know who was he and she told me he's one of the biggest and better designers. Dunno if she told him about me or not, but luckily I've never had any biz with him

[freeme]

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
CD ... you have my phone number

I don't wish to have a battle of wits with the ass clown brigade on this board ... that is why I have been avoiding it like SARS.

You guys call me thief, liar , asshole, fuckhead ... whatever you want ... but at least I am still here to face the music ...

Where are Pornsuite, Rollin, and several others whern the going got rough - they got going !! ... and everybody just forgot about them ...

try to spin it all you wish

your a FUCKING THEIF

Pay UP

[DTK]

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
and everybody just forgot about them ...

Not true

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by harvey
So you're saying you backed them even when you know they were scamming the designers who REALLY did the work? If so, then you're somehow responsible on this matter.

Don't be a twit. You are twisting my words and I won't have it. What I SAID was that many months ago I was assured that payment would be made. I took it on the word from both of these guys that it would be done, so yes, I refrained from bitching and complaining on all the boards in order to let them do what they said they would do.

Now here we are 5 months later, and I am solving this issue once and for all. So keep the incorrect comments and false assumptions to a dull roar, okay .... harvey? Thanks buddy.

[greentea]

once a theif always a theif

[CDSmith]

For the record, Buck naked has now contacted me about HIS debt to TA. I have ICQ logs safely stored (just in case), but he has assured me that he intends to pay her. He has gone through all the usual rotten things in life and has fallen on hard times..... I suggested that he start by paying TA a few bucks here and there, like even ten or twenty dollars every few weeks or so via paypal. I suggested that if he had of done this and stayed in contact with her, we wouldn't be dealing with this issue today. He agreed.

I will await to hear from Teen Angel as to Buck starting some small good-faith payments to her.



Thanks all for the ICQ's today and the wide support. It is much appreciated :D

[Teen Angel]

Everyone here is absolutely FANTASTIC! I am so glad we have such a close community. It is really like having a bunch of brothers and sisters to help you out!

Hungryman has not contacted me. Penfan, bucknaked whatever he calls himself now, has has left a few messages for me... however, I will hold back what was said. We will see if I actually get paid or not! I have heard EVERY promise under teh sun.

That is the thing with these con artists.. they just keep dangling everything in front of you.

As for Paul... HOo many times have I said to go and get a regular job like everyone else here would/has had to do during "bad times". Your reply to me is simply I can't. WHY THE HECK NOT! I know you have at least 4 other debts than mine... people in debt normally get a second job even a third if they have to.. It is called being a grown up and taken responsibility for your own actions and life!

ANYWAY.. I woudl really like ot thank CD Smith From teh bottom of my heart for all his help and kindness! I think we could all do with having a friend like CD... Would also like to thank everyone here who has showed support!

[Teen Angel]

O an dby the wya.. everyone who decided to donate something.. no problem thanks anyway! I appreciate it.. It is their debt they should pay it.