The future of porn. Discuss.

[Paul Markham]

I never did put much faith in just driving traffic so you know what I'm going to say.


The future of porn is in producing a product that does not require loads and loads of traffic to convert 1 surfer. That route is flawed on so many levels which are now clear. Producing the same "exclusive" porn as 500 other sites in your niche is not the way either. It has to have something about that puts it apart from the other sites. Otherwise it's just another scene of another girl getting it on, or boy if it's gay.

Now you can all tell me I'm clueless.

As if I care.

[Shamus McFamous]

Your post is dumb on so many levels. You put forth what I think you meant to be a discussion starter without offering anything to discuss. You say the product needs to change but don't offer up any suggestions as to what it might/should/will be.

I'll do the same. The world is fucked and we need to fix it.

Do us a favor and shoot yourself in the face.

[xentech]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I never did put much faith in just driving traffic so you know what I'm going to say.


The future of porn is in producing a product that does not require loads and loads of traffic to convert 1 surfer. That route is flawed on so many levels which are now clear. Producing the same "exclusive" porn as 500 other sites in your niche is not the way either. It has to have something about that puts it apart from the other sites. Otherwise it's just another scene of another girl getting it on, or boy if it's gay.

Now you can all tell me I'm clueless.

As if I care.

State the obvious, Sherlock. You may aswel have said "the future of fuel is to create a fuel which is better then regular petrol/gasoline"...

[The Duck]

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

[Paul Markham]

Here is what I think for those who can't think of it without being led by the nose.

The future of porn is in producing a product that does not require loads and loads of traffic to convert 1 surfer.

To date we have produced porn site to satisfy those who drive traffic or DVDs to fill shelves. we have gone as far as we can marketing a product. Unless you think a conversion rate that went from 1-10 to 1-100 and now for many 1-1,000 is a pipe dream is a sign of we need to do more marketing to more affiliates to send more traffic.

There are an abundance of sites all churning out the same stuff. Very few sites have anything that puts them apart from the next site. We need to look to a new way I think it's about producing something different.

Maybe people think I'm wrong and the answer is putting up more sites with the same content and doing a thread on GFY giving $50 for every 50th post. That seems to be the approach many take.

What approach will you take or would you like sponsors to take?

[Oracle Porn]

Originally Posted by Shamus McFamous

The world is fucked and we need to fix it.

Do us a favor and shoot yourself in the face.

w0rd.........

[Big_D]

slowly walking the other way........

[xentech]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The future of porn is in producing a product that does not require loads and loads of traffic to convert 1 surfer.

Like I said, state the obvious you mongol. Do you think you have thought of something ground breaking and unique here? I think EVERY webmaster on this board knows that making better converting products is the answer to high conversion ratio's. This takes the brain power of a small feral child to work out...

[PR_Sebas]

lol... nice way to start off my thursday

[Huggles]

The future of porn.... lies within tube sites.

[Violetta]

im not in the future of porn!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by xentech

Like I said, state the obvious you mongol. Do you think you have thought of something ground breaking and unique here? I think EVERY webmaster on this board knows that making better converting products is the answer to high conversion ratio's. This takes the brain power of a small feral child to work out...

If it's so easy to work out why do so many sites shoot or have such poor content? And please don't tell me the content on most sites is great. We know it's not.

The standard has risen, but most of the time the content is not good enough to hold a surfers attention for 30 days. That's after the 999 in 1000 have said no. The problem is even though every webmaster knows quality content is the answer. They will still want too much money for sending 999 who don't like the content, rather than send to a site that converts 1-200, but pays 20%.

Same traffic and don't nit pick over numbers you know the point I'm making. They shoot solo girl sites on a budget for the content that simply does not allow a shooter to bring out a girl, develop her and make her really different. Why because they need to spend 50% on driving traffic and the site has nothing to put it apart from the other 4 girls in the stable. Yes there are accept exceptions. But not the norm.

But if you're so bright and everyone knows this come up with some sort of debate or discussion. do you have any thoughts? You being so bright and all.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Huggles

The future of porn.... lies within tube sites.

I think for many you might be right. There is no shortage of content, most of it is not able to convert as well as it should according to most. Even a moron like me sees this. LOL

So for many porn as a 15 free thrill with the site owner hoping to make a sign up to a web cam, dating site or even a porn site is the future. Is their a solution?

If we were all relying on sales to guys who would jerk off to anything and put up with any crap delivery method then we are surely in for a different business. I think many were and they will suffer.

For a few though who know that quality porn is the answer they will put on their thinking caps and produce it. Are the days of sending traffic to a site because the owner is a cool dude, buys you drinks and sweet talks on the boards, because anything will convert are over. Maybe more webmasters will be picking sites that appeal to a surfer rather than the reasons they did.

[xentech]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If it's so easy to work out why do so many sites shoot or have such poor content? And please don't tell me the content on most sites is great. We know it's not.

The standard has risen, but most of the time the content is not good enough to hold a surfers attention for 30 days. That's after the 999 in 1000 have said no. The problem is even though every webmaster knows quality content is the answer. They will still want too much money for sending 999 who don't like the content, rather than send to a site that converts 1-200, but pays 20%.

Same traffic and don't nit pick over numbers you know the point I'm making. They shoot solo girl sites on a budget for the content that simply does not allow a shooter to bring out a girl, develop her and make her really different. Why because they need to spend 50% on driving traffic and the site has nothing to put it apart from the other 4 girls in the stable. Yes there are accept exceptions. But not the norm.

But if you're so bright and everyone knows this come up with some sort of debate or discussion. do you have any thoughts? You being so bright and all.

I'm not saying it is easy to work out. What I'm saying is that what you said is OBVIOUS, we all know that "making content which converts better" would solve the problem, but its not as easy as that. I don't have the answers, but everyone here already knows what you have said, it goes without saying...

[tranza]

The future of porn is on our hands!

[Jim_Gunn]

Another useless post. What you are saying is a tautology. Make better porn that people like and it will convert better. Yeah, no shit captain obvious. Which one of your sites fit this decription so you can show us all how it's done?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Another useless post. What you are saying is a tautology. Make better porn that people like and it will convert better. Yeah, no shit captain obvious. Which one of your sites fit this decription so you can show us all how it's done?

Sadly my site is built out of what we sold to other sites, so nothing there too exceptional. Well maybe a few nice scenes. ;)

We were not pushed as content providers and we soon found that sponsors would buy anything so long as the price was right. You as a content provider know that to be true. Some will allow you to spend money, time and effort getting the product spot on and others will tell you some guy in the Czech Republic has under cut you and while they would love to buy your stuff they have to have it at his price.

Using a High Def camera to shoot a scene that should take 2 hours, in 1 hour because you have another 4 to go before the day is finished does not make it better porn. Just clearer.

When we shoot for magazines we earn $1,000 to $4,000 a set. getting them right as best we can, shooting only the best girls and taking our time. When I started shooting for the Net I soon realised that no matter how well we shot the price was $400 exclusive. we needed to churn out 5 a day. Don't nit pick over the price you get the logic.

We built it and as tranza says "The future of porn is on our hands!" Sadly so was the past. And it seems people knew the situation as well. Pity is they ignored it.

No one here has an answer or even a question. So carry on flaming I will figure it out myself.

[xmas13]

Paul should have saved for the rainy days.

[iseeyou]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The future of porn is in producing a product that does not require loads and loads of traffic to convert 1 surfer.

Your choice of words is poor. The surfer who joins a site does not care how many other people did not join. To him, everything is fine and normal and he is hopefully happy. It seems to me, what you are trying to say, is that surfers who join are becoming rare, uncommon and hard to find. The only traffic I need are paying members but I am willing to tolerate some freeloaders too.

In regards to content, here is a free idea which you probably already know but perhaps you should be reminded about. Try shooting outside of a studio, perhaps outside of Prague, perhaps not even porn, or at least not entirely porn. the challenge is to do it cheaply.

Here is another free idea. A very small number of people have a lot of money and will pay big bucks for something special. Try selling to them instead of selling to the poor masses who expect to rip a paysite for only $30usd.

[Hell House Vic]

Paul, i think you just said what goes without saying.

[fris]

Whats your thought on magic join links?

[gideongallery]

it is not cost or quality but value that is the proposition point. people are going to migrate to the greatest values,

tie your content to a non digital product (product placement, live chatting, merchandise) and the money can be made.

The key point people have to realize is that content can be a traffic SOURCE, which means you can sell the traffic value of your content for more than you are making from trying to sell your content and competing with people giving away your content.

[kane]

I guess I think this is all just trying to reinvent the wheel. Sure, it goes without saying. If you have a great product people will buy it no matter what the cost is (within reason). Everyday there are people buying new Ferrari's. I'm not going to buy one. 99% of the population won't be buying one, but they do sell. I would venture to guess that the conversion rate of people who walk onto a Ferrari lot and buy a car is higher than those that walk onto a Honda lot because people looking for Ferrari's know what they are after and are willing to pay for it.

This is all old news and as it pertains to porn, it is nothing different. Look at the different niches. People that are very into fat girls have a harder time finding a good site than guys that are into 19 year old fit, hotties. When the guy that likes the fat girls finds a site he likes he is more likely to buy because the options are fewer and he knows what he wants.

The same can be said for anything else. If you want super high quality pictures and videos there are sites that provide that. If you want a certain niche there are sites that provide that. If you want a certain type of girl (or guy) there are sites that provide that. In the end it is porn. There are only so many ways you can present it to people. So sure, creating a high quality site or something that has an interesting slant on it could prove to convert and hold well, but really we aren't talking about cars or houses or clothes, we are talking about orgasms. People look at porn because they are horny. Some have discerning tastes and will shop around for what they want. Many just want to see a good looking girl nude or having sex. You can choose to sell the Honda to the masses, or you can sell the Ferrari to the few, but it is still just a car and unless you can make if fly, how do you plan on making it so different and so unique that you will be able to get enough people to buy it that it will pay for the cost of producing it?

[Nydahl]

I think we all should face the truth - online adult biz is no more what it used to be.
Big animals will survive but the smaller guys are done if they don't offer anything special.

[pinkz]

too many webmasters pushing the same old crap equates to the demise of a good living for most of us! many of the big players have thousands of webmasters pushing traffic to their sites their the winners at the end of the day, imho online porn will spiral into decline as webmasters will come round to the fact that it takes 1, 2 or 3k of surfer hits to get a fucking sale. too many people chasing the same dollar, too much free stuff out there, the average porn surfer knows theres free shit to be had so he/she is definately not going to pay for it.

just my 2cents worth now ur all welcome toflame my ass!

[Quagmire]

There is no future in porn. Its all about the cams baby!

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I never did put much faith in just driving traffic so you know what I'm going to say.


The future of porn is in producing a product that does not require loads and loads of traffic to convert 1 surfer. That route is flawed on so many levels which are now clear. Producing the same "exclusive" porn as 500 other sites in your niche is not the way either. It has to have something about that puts it apart from the other sites. Otherwise it's just another scene of another girl getting it on, or boy if it's gay.

Now you can all tell me I'm clueless.

As if I care.

Of course you care Paul. You love the attention. If you are the genius you make yourself out to be then you already have all the answers and wouldn't be trolling on gfy for a clue. You're like a broken record, not a cd but a record, stuck in the same old groove saying the same old shit over and over again. Kinda sad actually.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I never did put much faith in just driving traffic so you know what I'm going to say.


The future of porn is in producing a product that does not require loads and loads of traffic to convert 1 surfer.

Brilliant observation, too bad it took you 10 years to figure this out. While most of us figured this out before 2000, you finally caught on a decade later.

[PornStarToys]

The future of anything is to develop something better.

[96ukssob]

pay sites will start to diminish. the affiliate model will slowly die out as there is no money to be made to support yourself financially and what programs are left will probably cheat and steal from affiliates to make an extra buck to pay themselves.

for the few people who continue to pay for porn, they will want to OWN the videos and pictures, so they will seek out companies that allow you to download and store DRM free. the rest will just look for tube sites for content.

eventually some larger programs will figure out the secret and get their videos removed from illegal tubes, but the rest will just take what equity is left and walk away figuring they cant stop these monsters.

all that will be left is web cams and dating. soon the interwebs will be full of shitty web cam companies cheating and stealing money from visitors. US models will soon bitch and complain about what they rates they are getting paid as Russian and eastern European girls will do the same job but for much cheaper.

soon, like most US products, porn will be outsourced to other countries and all that will be left standing is a few dating sites

[TheDoc]

The future of porn is the same thing it has been doing for hundreds of years. It will continue to move mediums and expand in directions, we can see today, but we can't really predict for tomorrow. We will continue to produce exactly what people buy on those mediums, we will not invent anything or create a new way of doing anything. We set temporary standards, which last until our viewers accept another. We're always moving, even when we-ourselves can't see it - the people move us, for us... we simply follow along for the ride.

The solution is to stop thinking 'free internet porn' is the only medium porn is on or the end all of porn. That ends the stupid ratio/convert people theory, instantly

[Horny Joe]

Originally Posted by Shamus McFamous

Do us a favor and shoot yourself in the face.

Can someone tell me why every time Markham write something, tons of people say stuff like this??

[Agent 488]

we are in the future of porn. this thread is ancient.

[fitzmulti]

Originally Posted by The Duck

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

Neither does he.

[lazycash]

Originally Posted by Horny Joe

Can someone tell me why every time Markham write something, tons of people say stuff like this??

Do you read what he writes? He's the absolute king of captain obvious, he simply recites the same thing over and over that 99% of the industry already knows. He tells us in his original post here that we should look for sites/products that convert 1 surfer better than others, gee ya think. His threads have as much value as theking posting about how many trout he caught today.

[DamianJ]

It's great to see Paul has learnt so much about the internet in the 3 years that have passed since he made this thread.

Nicely bumped.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

It's great to see Paul has learnt so much about the internet in the 3 years that have passed since he made this thread.

Nicely bumped.

Damn no kidding... how sad.

[LeRoy]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

There is no future in porn. Its all about the cams baby!

What he said!

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by fris

Whats your thought on magic join links?

That's what I was thinking really.

[PiffStenis]

[Max Potential]

Originally Posted by iseeyou

Here is another free idea. A very small number of people have a lot of money and will pay big bucks for something special. Try selling to them instead of selling to the poor masses who expect to rip a paysite for only $30usd.

I have always felt that this approach was the key to it all in making it in today's online adult world. The big boys will always be able to fill the mass market, so find your something special and focus.

[nikki99]

why so many replies on any thread of this old man?

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by The Duck

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

What he's trying to say is a good product rules over everything.

How many times can I watch Rachel Starr get fucked on a couch before I'm indifferent to Rachel Starr getting fucked? I love Rachel Starr, BTW.

[The Porn Nerd]

The future of Paul Markham. Discuss.

[Overload]

just stop facial idiocracy ... 0,1 man wants to spill his juice on a cute girls face ,,, 99,9 want to COME INSIDE ... porn needs to adapt to REALITY instead of trying to sell idiotic shit no-one sees in reality ... discuss THAT :P

[emjay]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

There is no future in porn. Its all about the cams baby!

And phones

[harvey]

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If it's so easy to work out why do so many sites shoot or have such poor content? And please don't tell me the content on most sites is great. We know it's not.

Says the photographer with thirty years of experience who shoots less then average looking content.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by xentech

Like I said, state the obvious you mongol. Do you think you have thought of something ground breaking and unique here? I think EVERY webmaster on this board knows that making better converting products is the answer to high conversion ratio's. This takes the brain power of a small feral child to work out...

Originally Posted by Hell House Vic

Paul, i think you just said what goes without saying.

Originally Posted by xentech

I'm not saying it is easy to work out. What I'm saying is that what you said is OBVIOUS, we all know that "making content which converts better" would solve the problem, but its not as easy as that. I don't have the answers, but everyone here already knows what you have said, it goes without saying...

So what happened? We went on doing the same old thing.

Originally Posted by Huggles

The future of porn.... lies within tube sites.

Wins the "Funniest post of the week" award.

[Sid70]

I predict micro niches ( generally sick stuff ) will survive.