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[[Labret]]

Shaves like a bitch.

[^R3K^]

Why do you say that?
Just out of curriosity?

[[Labret]]

I have only been using Click Cash over the course of the last couple of months to get rid of some worthless AVS and TGP traffic. During this time I, and several others who promote it under me, have noticed huge variations in signup ratios during given times of the day. We are not talking about 4 or 5 signups a day, but more like around 10+ signups an hour average. Extremely consistent over the course of these couple months.

However, we have begun noticing certain times of the day having what looks like outages. Same traffic, same source, blah blah blah, just no signups during certain times of the day. Varying in length from 3 hour to 9 hour periods.

Processor problem we thought... perhaps.

So during one of these "outages" as we call them, we gathered up around 10 of our friends, and with 10 different cards, and on 10 different machines around the country, began signing up under the same persons account to see if the cards would be declined due to some sort of processing error, thereby explaining these periods of no signups.

Lo and behold, each card went thru, each was charged the 1.00 to 4.95, and guess how many signups were counted out of 10 during one of these outages?

2

Fucking 2.

Now it is either an honest to god problem on their behalf, or it is willful shaving of signups. As they did not feel the need to respond to several inquiries regarding what we saw, we are inclined to believe it is shaving.

I like ClickCash, they pay like clockwork, and the payouts are good. Perhaps a little too good to be true. It reminds me of XPics and Serge back in the 12/15/20 cents per unique days. You knew they were shaving the shit out of you but you didnt care because they payed you on time every time.

We cant be the only ones who have seen this with ClickCash, its all a little too blatant. They should come up with a better system... like doing them slowly but surely as to not raise suspicion.

[Gary]

Interesting. Very interesting.

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[^R3K^]

Well i totaly agree i make a killing off them.. but like you i do the the same problems i just wanted to see if you were talking about the same thing.. but i have also been ignored by support.. they run a awsome progrma besides this although i do see it short lived.. i have been using them for about 4 months.. and they pay great and on time fed ex shows up every tuesday @ 11am.. but yes i have seen the problem also ;-)

[[Labret]]

Good, glad someone else sees it as well.

And I am afraid that since the payout increase, the shave-o-matic will be turned up a notch.

We will see.

I hope your prediction of a "short lived program" is wrong. It is a good program, and I would gladly take lower payouts over shaving. If I did not know they were doing it, it would not hurt so much.

And you are right, I have never seen such piss poor customer service for their webmasters.

But the checks keep coming so I will just keep biting my pillow. Get the anal ease ready.

[^R3K^]

No Doubt.. i thought the same when i got the letter.. but as you say we will see..

i would also would like to see the shaving stop (if that is what it is (covering ass) even if it means lower payouts!

what im talking about short lived is.. well hit me up on icq some time and ill talk to you about it..

[pornJester]

well i'll have to agree with you both... they do have real shitty customer service but they do pay on time... i havn't really been watching it close enough to notice any shaving though..
And with the new higher payouts they did also modify their payout table (meaning on how many signups they start dishing out the bonuses)... didn't know if anyone else noticed that, but you might want to check it out.

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[Ted]

You may also want to take careful consideration before you move house.

The change details page always comes up with account not found when I try to change my address.
I've been trying to change it for 3 months and it hasnt been fixed and my weekly emails to them go unanswered. Just glad I know the people still living at the old place.

[Shianna]

Originally posted by [Labret]:
Lo and behold, each card went thru, each was charged the 1.00 to 4.95, and guess how many signups were counted out of 10 during one of these outages?

I thought it was free for the surfer to sign up?

Oh well either way I think it would be cool to get a group of people together to go around testing all the sponsors at known/expected outage times to find out what's up. It might cut back on the shaving a bit cause they'd never know when or where they might be getting one of these test signups.

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Shianna:

I thought it was free for the surfer to sign up?

They charge your card 1.00 duing the free age verification and I believe if you want they apply the 1.00 to live shows.

During the signup process they give you an option that for an additional 4.95 (pretty sure its 4.95) to upgrade your membership package to include some member perks.

Oh well either way I think it would be cool to get a group of people together to go around testing all the sponsors at known/expected outage times to find out what's up. It might cut back on the shaving a bit cause they'd never know when or where they might be getting one of these test signups.

Agreed, however, there is not a sponsor out there that if they knew you were doing test signups with dozens of people to test whether or not you are shaving, that would not call you a cheater and cut your ass in no time flat.

I ran the risk with ClickCash, I told them to reverse the signups however. And guess what? Still no word from them, and they are still taking my signups. Albeit today the shave-o-matic seems to be on "low".


Who knows... thats why I run my own paysites, I hate being at the mercy of "sponsors".

[Shianna]

Originally posted by [Labret]:

Who knows... thats why I run my own paysites, I hate being at the mercy of "sponsors".

[This message has been edited by Shianna (edited 11-23-2001).]

[stangster]

Originally posted by [Labret]:
And you are right, I have never seen such piss poor customer service for their webmasters.

That is the opitome of understatement.

's down on customer service.

I've emailed them 9 times the past month.

Not one returned.

[Ludedude]

Labret do you have ICQ?


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[^R3K^]

I Have one reply to e-mail from them when i started, and it was prompt but nothing since then. Hey Lambret.. Have you thought about the perminate Cookies thing when they were signing up, i didnt think about it untill last night, although there is something going on, that might explain a few of the sales.. who knows i hope it keeps rolling. I am moving in the next 3 weeks I hope i dont into the same problems Ted

[Rocky]

i've never got an email response from ClickCash but i always can get through to Stacy at Associate Relations

1-800-243-9726
ext113

[^R3K^]

Stacy Is the one who responded and was very helpfull..

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by ^R3K^:
I Have one reply to e-mail from them when i started, and it was prompt but nothing since then. Hey Lambret.. Have you thought about the perminate Cookies thing when they were signing up, i didnt think about it untill last night, although there is something going on, that might explain a few of the sales.. who knows i hope it keeps rolling. I am moving in the next 3 weeks I hope i dont into the same problems Ted

Yeah, we thought of that and we made sure that everyone had flushed their cookies before hand.

[^R3K^]

Right on.. well maybe it will slow down..

[sternyduke]

definate thumbs down on replying to their emails... guess next time i have a question i'll contact stacey.

[Chris R]

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...Fpayouts%2Ehtm

10 Signups an hour with worthless TGP traffic?!?! That doesn't sound worthless to me

You can use the link above to see their old payouts. I never really had to worry about their sliding scale - as I never got more than the minimum. $20.00 isn't too bad for people shelling out $1.00 (Assuming you get paid for them all).

I always thought 1,000 a week was a little high to expect from people, but I really could use an extra $60,000 a week. I could probably slide by with $50K a week.

I started using them, because they were at the top of PK's site - and had been for some time.

Everything you guys have said about their customer service I have heard other places - it sucks unless you talk to Stacey.

If it is a short lived program, you will know before many others - and I think in general - increasing the amount of money is a GOOD sign (even assuming your theory is true). Although, I can see what you are saying.

I have heard of several people making lots of money off them, but I hardly ever see them promoted. Are they owned by the same people that run nightsurf?


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[^R3K^]

you want ever make anything with them of people keep replying to this thread

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by Chris R:


10 Signups an hour with worthless TGP traffic?!?! That doesn't sound worthless to me

Oops, I did not want to give the impression that I alone was sending 10 an hour. Wouldn't that be nice.

For some reason I am fortunate to have some heavy hitters below me and thats what it averages out with all of us combined.

[Chris R]

Well that is sort of what I gathered, either way it is still not bad - it kind of means your responsible for it - and you get a cut.

I have 15 people below me on one dating program which I have made about $1.10 from

TopBucks and AFF are the only programs where my referal income can be measured in something higher than pennies.

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[boneprone]

who are they? Never heard of em?

[^R3K^]

They Suck bone.. dont worry about it

[yys]

Originally posted by boneprone:
who are they? Never heard of em?

Like you didn't know they were ifriends

[SexyDollEyes]

Take it from someone who has worked for ifriends/webpower/clickcash, all in the same for 4 years....I've have been promoting them and clickcash for quite a few years now and am yet to see any clickcash money...I could even tell you some of the inside shit with this company but won't in an open forum. Shaving is not the only thing they do

[[Labret]]

Originally posted by SexyDollEyes:
Take it from someone who has worked for ifriends/webpower/clickcash, all in the same for 4 years....I've have been promoting them and clickcash for quite a few years now and am yet to see any clickcash money...I could even tell you some of the inside shit with this company but won't in an open forum. Shaving is not the only thing they do

You have been promoting them for four years without payment? Most people get the hint after a couple of months.

And when you say "someone who has worked", do you mean LITERALLY been an employee of?

Or are you just a jilted webmaster?

If you have substantial evidence and or knowledge of shady business practices... spit it the fuck out. Unless you signed a non-disclosure agreement or are completely talking out of your ass, you have nothing to worry about.

[SexyDollEyes]

Well it's like this Labret..I'll never give inside details...for one...and for 2 IF your not in the traffic range of clickcash or ifriends you'll never make anything with clickcash. I don't get mass amounts of traffic....All I'm saying is I know the company VERY well. Some make make good money with them...But I do know things that they have done to webmasters/chathost that is unfair and poor business practice. But who am I?? sure not a jilted webmaster by far..Just someone who knows the comapny VERY well. If you make good money with them Well Good for you. I never have Thats all I'm saying..It sure doesn't surprise me when someone comes on a board and says they are Shaving.

Peace out

Originally posted by [Labret]:
You have been promoting them for four years without payment? Most people get the hint after a couple of months.

And when you say "someone who has worked", do you mean LITERALLY been an employee of?

Or are you just a jilted webmaster?

If you have substantial evidence and or knowledge of shady business practices... spit it the fuck out. Unless you signed a non-disclosure agreement or are completely talking out of your ass, you have nothing to worry about.

[SexyDollEyes]

R3K If you make 3K a month with them then why make that statement?

Originally posted by ^R3K^:
you want ever make anything with them of people keep replying to this thread

[SexyDollEyes]

ROFL

Originally posted by ^R3K^:
They Suck bone.. dont worry about it

[SexyDollEyes]

My Apologies R3K...Now Go Fuck Yourself, lol

[^R3K^]

NP, and will do

[playa]

what bothers me is that i could actually make more money with them than i already make,,,



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[indygod]

Originally posted by [Labret]:

Shaves like a bitch.

I made 300k in six months and could care less if they shave. The money is in the bank, they pay on time.

Now ask yourself if you ran a webmaster program would you respond to stupid emails? R u shaving, whats wrong with stats, etc...????

turning 1.00 into 40 is almost too good to be true. Clickcash is the tightest operation on the net and if you cant make $$$$ from them....well....you have your head up your ass. I have a sub who makes 2500 sales a week.....you read that right. thats hmm....like 75 grand a week......not to shabby.

You should be honored and greatful to the owner of webpower who is a stand up guy....his name is not important. He has helped me through some tough times.

Now..other programs like MC are scrambling to update there stats and payout frequency to keep up with clickcash and the loss of webmasters to them.

So....I beg to differ.....who cares if they shave as long as the checks are fat and they have been for me and clickcash alone has helped me start some very successful online non-adult ventures!


indy

[Hunter]

Originally posted by SexyDollEyes:
Take it from someone who has worked for ifriends/webpower/clickcash.. for 4 years....I've have been promoting them and clickcash for quite a few years now and am yet to see any clickcash money. Shaving is not the only thing they do

Sexy ! can you please explain this?

why do you promote them for YEARS if they
don't pay you?
why start promoting them in the first place
if you knew what is going on on the inside?

i don't doubt what you are saying is true
but you must admit it does seem ODD !

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[Jake]

Originally posted by indygod:



So....I beg to differ.....who cares if they shave as long as the checks are fat and they have been for me and clickcash alone has helped me start some very successful online non-adult ventures!


indy

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[heymatty]

1-10 $20 (base payout)
11-50 $25 ($5 volume bonus)
51-100 $30 ($10 volume bonus)
101-250 $35 ($15 volume bonus)
251-750 $40 ($20 volume bonus)
751-1000 $50 ($30 volume bonus)
1001+ $60 ($40 volume bonus)

2,500 signups a week is a hell of a lot more than $75k, I am way to lazy to calculate it exactly but I do know 1,500 x$60 is $90k.

If this person is under you as you claim surely you would notice that you are getting not $7.5k a week but nearer $12k. Small change I realize so who cares.

Damn I do 1:600 with this program, I think I am linking to crappy ifriends pages.

matty http://wildvoyeur.com

[Ted]

Originally posted by indygod:

Now ask yourself if you ran a webmaster program would you respond to stupid emails? R u shaving, whats wrong with stats, etc...????

[/B]

I dont care if they shave either, the cents per click look good and the checks are good. But I would like to be able to change my mailing address for cheques.
I guess I better get working on sending 2000 signups a week, maybe then someone will listen.

[Black Night]

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