strange reallyusefulcash stats. any ideas?

[lucas131]

hi gfy. this are my reallyusefulcash stats. as new sites converts well, i thought their new fakehospital can convert also. first four days, nice stream, i have been happy. then, it stopped ... then one sale, then one month nothing ... i asked on gfy in this thread

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1134512

if the bitcoins may be problem so no sales come to me? i got answer 3rd, and from then, from 5th sales are back again ... here are my stats screenshot ...



is this normal and i am just a piece of fucking idiot? or what is going on please?

thank you in advance for any asnwers, test joins starting this week, results in few weeks as i will be doing not only one test join, because as you can see, there are things that makes you go hmmm ... have luck with your business everyone

[lucas131]

so all looks normal for you guys ... ?

[Nicky]

Stuff like this can happen when the traffic is fairly small in volume

[lucas131]

Stuff like this can happen when the traffic is fairly small in volume

come on ...

[MrDeiz]

well... seriously... i don't see anything wrong, maybe i just don't know how your sites work, but that's a normal pattern from my perspective

[Naughty Webby]

Stuff like this can happen when the traffic is fairly small in volume

This 8char

[AdultKing]

Might be a dumb question but.... with RUC , does the first affiliate to refer the surfer to the site or the last affiliate to refer the person to the site get the credit for the sale ?

[rockeru]

My stats look similar, after about 3.5k traffic 0 conversions then all of a sudden after I sent them a complain email a few conversions in a couple of days. After that month another 5k with 0 conversions.

This looks strange but at least the rebills are good.

[lucas131]

i know how my low traffic looks like, and if its 6 sales in first 4 days, it must be sale at least one per week. not like 30 days dried, it is simply not possible! also, strange thing is that i started receiving sales again when i posted in other thread and got answer from ruc owner, and, i am receiving similar stream of sales as before at the beginning before something went wrong at 26th january ... i have never had similar results, never. i can have like few sales in one month, sprad to whole month, but it is not possible to have six sales in four days and then one sales in fourty days! with the exactly the same quality of traffic ... it is not possible ... maybe you guys are just happy for all the sales you make, but i am expecting more, from all what i see so far ... ... test joins are on the way, it will bring the light on some things i believe ...

[_Richard_]

Stuff like this can happen when the traffic is fairly small in volume

i know how my low traffic looks like, and if its 6 sales in first 4 days, it must be sale at least one per week. not like 30 days dried, it is simply not possible! also, strange thing is that i started receiving sales again when i posted in other thread and got answer from ruc owner, and, i am receiving similar stream of sales as before at the beginning before something went wrong at 26th january ... i have never had similar results, never. i can have like few sales in one month, sprad to whole month, but it is not possible to have six sales in four days and then one sales in fourty days! with the exactly the same quality of traffic ... it is not possible ... maybe you guys are just happy for all the sales you make, but i am expecting more, from all what i see so far ... ... test joins are on the way, it will bring the light on some things i believe ...

it's nothing to do with 'how low your traffic looks'.. it could be a niched banner, we aren't noobs here.

It's just with traffic at that levels, it's hard to gauge if it's bad luck, banner fatigue, or just fluctuations

if you're concerned, take out the credit card, join via your link, hit him up right after

[Tom_PM]

You had one flurry of active sales at the beginning of your screen shot, and another at the end. Let it ride IMHO.

[lucas131]

You had one flurry of active sales at the beginning of your screen shot, and another at the end. Let it ride IMHO.

thats it. i had stream, then it stopped. i changed nothing on my side, the traffic is still the same, uniques daily, new, highly targetted. then, after 1 sale in 40 days, i asked ruc owner if it is normal, he said he will look at it, then second day, stream started again ... maybe just my paranoia and i will get answer from him here, but, test joins, that will be the best answer ...

[klinton]

thats it. i had stream, then it stopped. i changed nothing on my side, the traffic is still the same, uniques daily, new, highly targetted. then, after 1 sale in 40 days, i asked ruc owner if it is normal, he said he will look at it, then second day, stream started again ... maybe just my paranoia and i will get answer from him here, but, test joins, that will be the best answer ...

like i told you before, I've seen similiar strange patterns on my stats with various sponsors...and i dont think is normal, even if you dont have HUGE amounts of traffic....

[lucas131]

like i told you before, I've seen similiar strange patterns on my stats with various sponsors...and i dont think is normal, even if you dont have HUGE amounts of traffic....

if interested, contact me at radimcillik at gmail and i will give your programs some test joins

[bluebook18]

that's normal IMO, you can't expect daily sales in 2014

[mineistaken]

you can't expect daily sales in 2014

Not his point at all

[Colmike9]

I think it's harder to sell to the clinic fetish niche than the other Ruseful sites, at least it is for me..
But I recently made http://fakehospitalhd.com/ and more to come, will let you know how sales are soon.

[iSpyCams]

This is the first thing I would suspect:

The program left the fraud scrub wide open for a new site to encourage affiliates to send traffic then when they felt the mission was accomplished (or started seeing some fraud) they increased security a little bit and maybe even went a little too far.

Then after people started noticing and questioning it they started looking for some middle ground.

As a site owner I find it very hard to strike the right balance. When affiliates are happy the bank is not, and vice versa.

[mineistaken]

This is the first thing I would suspect:

The program left the fraud scrub wide open for a new site to encourage affiliates to send traffic then when they felt the mission was accomplished (or started seeing some fraud) they increased security a little bit and maybe even went a little too far.

Then after people started noticing and questioning it they started looking for some middle ground.

As a site owner I find it very hard to strike the right balance. When affiliates are happy the bank is not, and vice versa.

How does that fraud scrub work? I assume this would be the case of fraudulent affiliates and sales in their accounts. It should not affect honest webmasters because they would not deliver fraudulent sales. Unless you are saying that people in general ten to fraud paysites for memberships, but I doubt that since there would be better ways to utilize fraudulent credit cards than buying porn (which is free).
So not sure why would you "fraud scrub" honest affiliates?

[LeRoy]

Could be just a run of bad luck. Strange as it may be. This does happen from time to time. I would keep the links up and let it ride.

[lagcam]

The only thing that is strange is that sales came back after you raised the question.

I know nothing of the program but I am pretty sure teencat wouldn't promote a program with known issues so strange as it seems, it is almost certainly just a coincidence.

I would leave it running now you are in the groove and see how long you stay there.

[bean-aid]

This is the first thing I would suspect:

The program left the fraud scrub wide open for a new site to encourage affiliates to send traffic then when they felt the mission was accomplished (or started seeing some fraud) they increased security a little bit and maybe even went a little too far.

Then after people started noticing and questioning it they started looking for some middle ground.

As a site owner I find it very hard to strike the right balance. When affiliates are happy the bank is not, and vice versa.

doubtful since it is a epoch billing site.

Nats let you internally scrub out affiliate sales, don't think they are communicating with the third party biller to heighten fraud sale concerns.

Of course, I'm dumb and could be wrong

[iSpyCams]

doubtful since it is a epoch billing site.

Yeah in that case never mind.

[mineistaken]

Yeah in that case never mind.

My question is still valid if you care to explain

[bean-aid]

My question is still valid if you care to explain

His comment was directed towards programs with their own merchant account. However your question is still valid but cant be answered in the context originally used

[mineistaken]

His comment was directed towards programs with their own merchant account. However your question is still valid but cant be answered in the context originally used

Context is not important to my question which is no less valid than before your reply

[The Porn Nerd]

How does that fraud scrub work? I assume this would be the case of fraudulent affiliates and sales in their accounts. It should not affect honest webmasters because they would not deliver fraudulent sales. Unless you are saying that people in general ten to fraud paysites for memberships, but I doubt that since there would be better ways to utilize fraudulent credit cards than buying porn (which is free).
So not sure why would you "fraud scrub" honest affiliates?

Well, a couple things here. First, the fraud scrub would be across the board, especially with a 3rd party biller. So everyone would get caught in the clampdown.

Second you say why join a porn site fraudently when porn is free? Ever hear of money-laundering and identity theft? Get your money illegally, join a 'legal' porn site, refund/chargeback, money clean. Voila!!

[bean-aid]

Context is not important to my question which is no less valid than before your reply

It is common to set your merchant scrub at a level. Has nothing to do with individual affiliates.
This convo has nothing to do with those that use third party billers... ie ruseful, because they cannot control it.

[mineistaken]

It is common to set your merchant scrub at a level. Has nothing to do with individual affiliates.
This convo has nothing to do with those that use third party billers... ie ruseful, because they cannot control it.

I know that it has nothing to do with 3d party biller, doh!
My question was NOT related to OP's issue.

I was asking because basically what he said sounded something like:
I get frauded and lose money so to compensate for that I simply shave ALL affiliates, even though only shady ones are responsible for majority of fraud.

[bean-aid]

I know that it has nothing to do with 3d party biller, doh!
My question was NOT related to OP's issue.

I was asking because basically what he said sounded something like:
I get frauded and lose money so to compensate for that I simply shave ALL affiliates, even though only shady ones are responsible for majority of fraud.

He doesn't use affiliates.

[TubeSubmitters]

I think it's harder to sell to the clinic fetish niche than the other Ruseful sites, at least it is for me..
But I recently made http://fakehospitalhd.com/ and more to come, will let you know how sales are soon.

Do they allow affiliates to use their names in domains promoting them?

[Klen]

Do they allow affiliates to use their names in domains promoting them?

Yes,JT said how he doesn't give a shit.

[PornDiscounts-V]

Shoot like that can happen. At 800 unique clicks per day it should level out.

[NewNick]

You know I am a traditional type of guy. If I was you I would try asking them ?

You post the same stuff in every thread that JT posts in, and every time he suggests that you should contact him with your affiliate ID and he will help you out.

What is it you want from this drama ?

[lucas131]

You know I am a traditional type of guy. If I was you I would try asking them ?

You post the same stuff in every thread that JT posts in, and every time he suggests that you should contact him with your affiliate ID and he will help you out.

What is it you want from this drama ?

not sure where everywhere i posted it? once asked maybe month ago, then i posted this here because it is looking weird to me, then i see he posted new thread but didnt replied here so i thought i can point him here? and emails never solved nothing, my traffic source is still the same, if they have something wrong on their end, they will never say yeah, we failed, here is your 40 sales ... so asked here for opinion and maybe some experience with them from other. thats all, drama will maybe follow, if something wrong is on their end but that is for another thread then

[lucas131]

and once again, it doenst matter how much traffic you send ... if you have 1:2 sales vs submits first days, then there is 40 days with 0:30 sales vs submits, then there is back again 1:2 sales vs submits, say whatever you want, but something must have happenned those 40 days, right? doesnt matter how much traffic i send, it is just simple counting ...

[NewNick]

not sure where everywhere i posted it? once asked maybe month ago, then i posted this here because it is looking weird to me, then i see he posted new thread but didnt replied here so i thought i can point him here? and emails never solved nothing, my traffic source is still the same, if they have something wrong on their end, they will never say yeah, we failed, here is your 40 sales ... so asked here for opinion and maybe some experience with them from other. thats all, drama will maybe follow, if something wrong is on their end but that is for another thread then

Ok. Well common courtesy dictates that you approach the program first about your concerns.

Or you can make snide comments everytime JT posts, and create threads insinuating malpractice.

So if you are a program owner do you put your time and resource into in house traffic generation (something JT is absolutely on top of) or do you piss about with whiny two bit affiliate webmasters that think going straight to gfy is the correct way to conduct yourself.

[iSpyCams]

I know that it has nothing to do with 3d party biller, doh!
My question was NOT related to OP's issue.

I was asking because basically what he said sounded something like:
I get frauded and lose money so to compensate for that I simply shave ALL affiliates, even though only shady ones are responsible for majority of fraud.

Scrubbing is not about shaving, its about simply not allowing transactions that don't conform to higher standards.

For example, I can choose to accept or not accept transaction where:

1) The customer IP country does not match the Billing Address country (usually fraud but people travel and travelers masturbate)
2) The billing address is not correct, or not exactly correct. (people sometimes move and don't update)
3) CVV code is incorrect
4) Surfers country has a higher rate of fraud than I am comfortable with
5) Surfer already made x attempts to join that were unsuccessful for various reasons
6) Surfers address, email or IP is on a blacklist cause they are known to have charged back in the past
7) Surfer is using a card that is either prepaid or does not generally support rebilling

And a few others. All the above filters are great for preventing fraud but can also stop genuine transactions where the surfer is either unlucky or just not real bright. I have personally been stopped from performing genuine transactions by most of them, usually due to drinking or travelling.

That's what I mean when I say scrub. This cannot easily be done on a per affiliate basis using any system I am aware of, changes would be across the board, and with 3rd parties like Epoch it is pretty unlikely though not impossible that there could be custom scrub levels.

Shaving on the other hand is when you take the surfers money and don't credit the affiliate.

I used Epoch as a biller for awhile and during that time had some fraud issues with certain affiliates, Epoch's method of handling that was to disable the individual affiliates involved and leave the scrub level untouched (as far as I could tell) so I doubt there is any custom scrubbing going on, it's just not Epoch's usual method, based on my experience.

[The Porn Nerd]

Scrubbing is not about shaving, its about simply not allowing transactions that don't conform to higher standards.

For example, I can choose to accept or not accept transaction where:

1) The customer IP country does not match the Billing Address country (usually fraud but people travel and travelers masturbate)
2) The billing address is not correct, or not exactly correct. (people sometimes move and don't update)
3) CVV code is incorrect
4) Surfers country has a higher rate of fraud than I am comfortable with
5) Surfer already made x attempts to join that were unsuccessful for various reasons
6) Surfers address, email or IP is on a blacklist cause they are known to have charged back in the past
7) Surfer is using a card that is either prepaid or does not generally support rebilling

And a few others. All the above filters are great for preventing fraud but can also stop genuine transactions where the surfer is either unlucky or just not real bright. I have personally been stopped from performing genuine transactions by most of them, usually due to drinking or travelling.

That's what I mean when I say scrub. This cannot easily be done on a per affiliate basis using any system I am aware of, changes would be across the board, and with 3rd parties like Epoch it is pretty unlikely though not impossible that there could be custom scrub levels.

Shaving on the other hand is when you take the surfers money and don't credit the affiliate.

I used Epoch as a biller for awhile and during that time had some fraud issues with certain affiliates, Epoch's method of handling that was to disable the individual affiliates involved and leave the scrub level untouched (as far as I could tell) so I doubt there is any custom scrubbing going on, it's just not Epoch's usual method, based on my experience.

Thanks for posting all this! I am working on getting my own merch account so these are issues I will be dealing with.

And I second your opinions on Epoch.

[lucas131]

Ok. Well common courtesy dictates that you approach the program first about your concerns.

Or you can make snide comments everytime JT posts, and create threads insinuating malpractice.

So if you are a program owner do you put your time and resource into in house traffic generation (something JT is absolutely on top of) or do you piss about with whiny two bit affiliate webmasters that think going straight to gfy is the correct way to conduct yourself.

you are who, lol? reallyusefulcash mother? looks like you are the one looking for some drama fight, calm down boy, i know weekend is far, but calm down ...

[lucas131]

Scrubbing is not about shaving, its about simply not allowing transactions that don't conform to higher standards.

For example, I can choose to accept or not accept transaction where:

1) The customer IP country does not match the Billing Address country (usually fraud but people travel and travelers masturbate)
2) The billing address is not correct, or not exactly correct. (people sometimes move and don't update)
3) CVV code is incorrect
4) Surfers country has a higher rate of fraud than I am comfortable with
5) Surfer already made x attempts to join that were unsuccessful for various reasons
6) Surfers address, email or IP is on a blacklist cause they are known to have charged back in the past
7) Surfer is using a card that is either prepaid or does not generally support rebilling

And a few others. All the above filters are great for preventing fraud but can also stop genuine transactions where the surfer is either unlucky or just not real bright. I have personally been stopped from performing genuine transactions by most of them, usually due to drinking or travelling.

That's what I mean when I say scrub. This cannot easily be done on a per affiliate basis using any system I am aware of, changes would be across the board, and with 3rd parties like Epoch it is pretty unlikely though not impossible that there could be custom scrub levels.

Shaving on the other hand is when you take the surfers money and don't credit the affiliate.

I used Epoch as a biller for awhile and during that time had some fraud issues with certain affiliates, Epoch's method of handling that was to disable the individual affiliates involved and leave the scrub level untouched (as far as I could tell) so I doubt there is any custom scrubbing going on, it's just not Epoch's usual method, based on my experience.

good post. this is something that worked before and have been already revealed on gfy. surfer wanted to buy, went to pay gateway, first gate will not let him buy, redirect to other gate, and there i bet it is very easy to not credit the affiliate at other cascade gateway ... this can be one very easy way to not give affiliate credit, and i will look at it very soon on programs that dont looks like they are counting all well so, stay tuned and thanks again for posting, good info!

[NewNick]

you are who, lol? reallyusefulcash mother? looks like you are the one looking for some drama fight, calm down boy, i know weekend is far, but calm down ...

No drama.

Just two bit third world fools rub me up the wrong way.

I would close your sad act account if I was JT.

[signupdamnit]

Raws vs uniques are extremely odd. Is there a reason for this on your side? If you can't think of one try to set up some outbound hit tracking where you can track IPs and find out how many uniques you really are sending.

I would go with your gut. No those kind of swings aren't normal. It's somewhat normal for the beginning and end of the month to be better but not like that. After doing this for so long your instincts are likely to be correct. Trust them.

[signupdamnit]

No drama.

Just two bit third world fools rub me up the wrong way.

I would close your sad act account if I was JT.

No reason for him to be upset if he is on the up and up.

[lucas131]

No drama.

Just two bit third world fools rub me up the wrong way.

I would close your sad act account if I was JT.

because i want to know why i have strange stats and that i never got answer in email, instead of all is good at our side classic? no more words, back to the work, you too

[NewNick]

because i want to know why i have strange stats and that i never got answer in email, instead of all is good at our side classic? no more words, back to the work, you too

Cause you did.

[freecartoonporn]

very low traffic , cant tell. needs at least 3-4k at todays market. unless its very very taragetted

[Fat Panda]

ruc is clearly assfucking you teencat. dont waste your time promoting such shit

all their videos are on the tubes anyways. no point to promote em

[NoWhErE]

According to your screenshots you're approximately at 7158 hits and 14 sales? (correct me if I'm wrong, I crunched the numbers quickly).

Thats a 1:511 ratio.

How is that bad?


With such low volumes of traffic, Variance comes widly into play. (Variance explained in poker terms)

I know its easy to think the program is cheating you, but honestly, I think this is just a case of your sample size being too small to come to any conclusions yet.

[Colmike9]

According to your screenshots you're approximately at 7158 hits and 14 sales? (correct me if I'm wrong, I crunched the numbers quickly).

Thats a 1:511 ratio.

How is that bad?


With such low volumes of traffic, Variance comes widly into play. (Variance explained in poker terms)

I know its easy to think the program is cheating you, but honestly, I think this is just a case of your sample size being too small to come to any conclusions yet.

I agree with this.

Also, I had a few sales in that period at under 1:1000, 3 sales and 4 rebills yesterday at 1:167 and even got a -1 refund, never seen that before..
Everyone's different, statistics is dumb, like Mark Twain said: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."