Amateur Paysite host + TGP Network for sale = Lifestyle Amateurs ? $20k

[Thomas007]

Would you like to own and operate an amateur paysite hosting service and affiliate program?



We have one for sale and the price is USD 20.000
It's called Lifestyle Amateurs and is placed on the domain www.lifestyleamateurs.com

You will be buying infrastructure and not existing revenue.
Existing revenue is around 2-300 USD per month.

The affiliate program and billing is running on Nats.
The cms, model content administration, membersarea and tour is all custom made.

It's written in PHP and using MySQL as DB.

The site is originally launched in 2008. We have since then spent more than $300k on it.
We were unable to reach critical mass in models and traffic at the same time.
The full story can be read here:

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071041

Included in the price is also a teen/amateur TGP network.
Sites included can be seen here
http://artgps.com/properties.php

We had plans to relaunch under the name WeAreSexy.com
The domain is included if you want it.

Everything is hosted on 2 dedicated servers with National Net.
Combined expenses for that is $400 per month.
The Nats license is $150 per month.

We are selling it because we have shifted our focus on to mainstream projects.
We would like to see someone else become successful with the concept.

Process of sale:
If you are serious and have the money to buy, email me at [email protected]

You are welcome to ask general questions in this thread.

PS: The infrastructure can also be used to run any other niche of paysite host or a single paysite.

[arock10]

Oh wow so much for that

[pinkz]

So income is 2 to 300 bucks a month, costs $550 pcm to run and you want 20k for it? I loled!

[Klen]

Those tgp's are partnership between you and nation-x,right?I guess since i bought one part,then second part of nation-x network,should buy third one as well lol

[Thomas007]

Those tgp's are partnership between you and nation-x,right?I guess since i bought one part,then second part of nation-x network,should buy third one as well lol

The tgps was run by nation-x.
We bought him out of it. He is full time mainstream now.
You are welcome to buy it.
I would prefer someone to give them some love instead of we just close all all down.

[Roald]

Wasnt HomeGrown doing something with it?

[sandman!]

good luck with the sale but getting 20k for something making $300 a month is hard nowdays

[Harmon]

Smart move. Dump it and run. Take what you can get for it at this point.

[Thomas007]

Wasnt HomeGrown doing something with it?

Yes they were. We were in the midle of moving stuff to their servers when they realised they wanted to concentrate on their core sites.
So a change of policy in the company stopped that partnership.
That was in the summer 2013. The site has been on idle since then.

[Thomas007]

good luck with the sale but getting 20k for something making $300 a month is hard nowdays

As I wrote in the initial post. The buyer is buying a script and infrastruture to run a paysite host.
The revenue it is currently making is uninteresting.

[The Porn Nerd]

Sorry but you are asking WAY too much.

You say the 20k buys me "infrastructure" to run a paysite etc? Well, I can get that "infrastructure" for a fuck lot less than 20k. LOL

You have no traffic, you have about $75 a week in revenue and it costs almost double that to just run the site....

How about I go get myself a host, a NATS license, buy some content, all for around 3-5K and we call it a day?

Sorry man but 5 years, over 300k put into the operation, and still you can only manage $200-300 USD a MONTH in revenue? Face it, your concept (or how you've been running your biz) simply ain't working.

[Roald]

Sorry man but 5 years, over 300k put into the operation, and still you can only manage $200-300 USD a MONTH in revenue? Face it, your concept (or how you've been running your biz) simply ain't working.

he admitted to this years ago already.

[The Porn Nerd]

he admitted to this years ago already.

Yah maybe, but he's STILL asking 20k for a non-successful operation and "infrastructure" and trying to justify the cost.

PS: Where did the 300k GO? I'm assuming it went into paying models. If so then he might have a better shot selling the content alone to as many people as possible instead of trying to dump the whole thing.

[MrDeiz]

well, it's impossible to sell site like that for requested price
the whole idea is very great, but the market has changed.
ppl don't want to buy stuff like that

[brassmonkey]

does a car come with it??

[fuzebox]

Where did the 300k GO?

Industry "consultants"

[DVTimes]

I bid $45

[cybermike]

They did pay for my dinner in phx a few years ago.. sorry I ate so much..

[arock10]

$300k buys a lot of bro drinks

[myleene]

How many videos are included?

All the content has 2257s for it right?

[Thomas007]

How many videos are included?

All the content has 2257s for it right?

10-15 videos. There are 2257 docs.

[Thomas007]

They did pay for my dinner in phx a few years ago.. sorry I ate so much..

Don't worry, that was my pleasure.

[Thomas007]

I bid $45

Thanks for the offer.
I would like a little more to justify the time needed to transfer domains and hand over information.

[Thomas007]

Sorry but you are asking WAY too much.

You say the 20k buys me "infrastructure" to run a paysite etc? Well, I can get that "infrastructure" for a fuck lot less than 20k. LOL

You have no traffic, you have about $75 a week in revenue and it costs almost double that to just run the site....

How about I go get myself a host, a NATS license, buy some content, all for around 3-5K and we call it a day?

Sorry man but 5 years, over 300k put into the operation, and still you can only manage $200-300 USD a MONTH in revenue? Face it, your concept (or how you've been running your biz) simply ain't working.

I'm trying to be polite in the way I write. I would appreciate if you do the same.
In your expense calculation you are missing the CMS or platform to hold the content and let the models upload and administrate their content.

That is the main asset that is worth buying.

The TGP network is worth something to a seo network.
It's old domains.

[Struggle4Bucks]

Sorry man but 5 years, over 300k put into the operation, and still you can only manage $200-300 USD a MONTH in revenue?

How is that even possible??? I made $304.50 the very first month i was online...

[Thomas007]

PS: Where did the 300k GO? I'm assuming it went into paying models. If so then he might have a better shot selling the content alone to as many people as possible instead of trying to dump the whole thing.

You can read it here
http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1071041

50k was spend on content. We learned a lesson there about production and models.
The value of the content is to oversee.

As a developer, I see the platform is worth something and the TGP network does also have some value.

[Thomas007]

he admitted to this years ago already.

So true :-)

That's what we stopped trying getting Lifestyle Amateurs to work.

I still believe in the concept.
If I didn't have anything else to do and was living in the states I would give it another go.
It needs a presence close to the models to get it going.
6 hours timezone difference makes it harder.

[Thomas007]

How is that even possible??? I made $304.50 the very first month i was online...

No one is administrating the network at the moment.
It has been on autopilot in 2 years.

The fact it's still making sales is showing it has an audience.


Now I'm trying to hand it over to someone which have the will and the time to give it some attention.

[Thomas007]

well, it's impossible to sell site like that for requested price
the whole idea is very great, but the market has changed.
ppl don't want to buy stuff like that

The fact it's still making sales is showing it has an audience.

What do you think the price should be?

If someone wanted to start something similar, this would be a good foundation to start on instead of starting coding from scratch.

[MrDeiz]

the price? well... it's not a business anymore...
especially in amateur genre, where there're hundreds of free sites like hahahahahahahahahahahahaha and many others, a lot of others with semi-prof content.
you can't make ppl pay for it. it's easier to establish free site like imagefap and add some premium services or put ads then delevop classic paysite

dude, i'm on the same boat with u. my cam and celebrity sales are significantly growing, but my adult properties and exposedforums.com are almost the same it was a year ago. almost nothing works to tune things up. this game is over. period.

[Far-L]

Yes they were. We were in the midle of moving stuff to their servers when they realised they wanted to concentrate on their core sites.
So a change of policy in the company stopped that partnership.
That was in the summer 2013. The site has been on idle since then.

This is an accurate statement.

We decided to focus on our own properties. We liked their concept but we were unable to devote the resources to it that would have made it successful without losing focus on our brand; so unfortunately we had to respectfully and amicably part ways.

The right buyer imo would be someone looking for a turnkey solution for an amateur site network that has good access to amateurs to generate content and knows how to squeeze whatever juice is left from the tgp network.

[Stephen]

In your expense calculation you are missing the CMS or platform to hold the content and let the models upload and administrate their content.

That is the main asset that is worth buying.

I'm not trying to bust your balls, but this is likely the least valuable asset -- WordPress will perform those functions, is free, robust and has an enormous developer base to call on...

Why would someone buy an old, proprietary system instead?

[SpicyM]

I'm not trying to bust your balls, but this is likely the least valuable asset -- WordPress will perform those functions, is free, robust and has an enormous developer base to call on...

Why would someone buy an old, proprietary system instead?

The whole idea is not interesting anymore, thousands of amateur pics and videos are available for free on tubes, I actually wonder they even make those $300 per month.

Worth not more than $5k.

[Stephen]

The whole idea is not interesting anymore ...

My problem is that I DO think the idea is interesting. I love amateur pics and videos and think this site has a great concept. I've had a similar project idling for a while and always hoped that Lifestyle Amateurs would succeed.

Having said that, I would have been happy to make $300k on that site, not spend that amount, and agree that the value is more in the $5k range today, and even then, it might be tough to make even that amount back...

At ~ $300/mo., that's a year and a half to break even on $5k.

Do you think that if left to idle, with no further work / investment, that it will still haul $300/mo. in mid- / late 2015?

I'm not picking on this site, there are MANY in the same boat...

[lagcam]

50k was spend on content.

How many videos are included? All the content has 2257s for it right?

10-15 videos. There are 2257 docs.

You have to take more care with your answers Thomas. I don't think that you paid $50k for 10-15 videos did you?

I have to say that this is a very lazy sales thread. Clearly a lot of work went into the concept, and setup, but it is time to face reality and either better prepare your business to be sold or add a little more realism to your expectations.

A business that operates with monthly overheads of almost double its probably not very sustainable revenue even before any mention of how much of that revenue has to be shared with affiliates (which I assume you have as you are paying $150 a month for NATS) really needs to get its house in better order before presenting itself to the market.

I am not saying that it couldn't be worth $20k or thereabouts to the right buyer, I am just saying that you have to work a lot harder to sell a loss making business with potential than you do to sell something that actually makes money.

[The Porn Nerd]

I'm trying to be polite in the way I write. I would appreciate if you do the same.
In your expense calculation you are missing the CMS or platform to hold the content and let the models upload and administrate their content.

That is the main asset that is worth buying.

The TGP network is worth something to a seo network.
It's old domains.

OK I will be polite: you are delusional Sir.

10-15 videos and 300k spent? I ask again: ON WHAT?

The CMS is not worth 20k, the content is not worth 20k, the existing revenue is not worth 20k.....I am sorry but maybe the adult game is one you should not be playing. Take whatever $$$ you can and move on.

Sir.

[PornDiscounts-R]

OK I will be polite: you are delusional Sir.

10-15 videos and 300k spent? I ask again: ON WHAT?

The CMS is not worth 20k, the content is not worth 20k, the existing revenue is not worth 20k.....I am sorry but maybe the adult game is one you should not be playing. Take whatever $$$ you can and move on.

Sir.

I like you, but man. You make yourself look very bad here. First of, link to the whole story in the OP`s first post. Read that and you will learn more about where and how those 300k was spent.
On top of that, saying that the adult game is not one they should play. Well, if you mean running paysites then point taken.
But overall, take a look in Thomas sig and a statement like that should not be made at all.

To finish, the honesty to tell the full story like they have takes some serious balls. Most would hide. So for me, huge respect to Thomas and Jeppe for what they have done.

[Markul]

Good luck with the sale, I think you'll be pressed to get what you ask but maybe someone will see the value of this and snatch it.

[Feng-PD]

I would rather buy your other sites : adultreviews and pornreviews :D

[twistysglam]

For a moment I thought I saw USD 20.00

[brassmonkey]

I bid $45

$100 over here

[Alice22]

I bid 2000$ , nice domain.

[Thomas007]

I'm not trying to bust your balls, but this is likely the least valuable asset -- WordPress will perform those functions, is free, robust and has an enormous developer base to call on...

Why would someone buy an old, proprietary system instead?

I would like to see you run a network of sites on wordpress.
Each model shall be able to upload and administrate their own content.
It shall be possible to have different templates for each individual site.
You shall have a sales tour which uses content from each of the individual model sites.
Add to that Nats tracking across the board.
Then add cams and other upsales with individual settings.

You might be able to construct it on Wordpress.
Then wordpress makes an update - maybe one fixing a critical security issue.
You have to update Wordpress, then you realise that some of the custom tweaks you have made on Wordpress to get the functionality you want stops working in the new version.

As a developer, it is not a way I would go.

[Thomas007]

The whole idea is not interesting anymore, thousands of amateur pics and videos are available for free on tubes, I actually wonder they even make those $300 per month.

Worth not more than $5k.

My problem is that I DO think the idea is interesting. I love amateur pics and videos and think this site has a great concept. I've had a similar project idling for a while and always hoped that Lifestyle Amateurs would succeed.

Having said that, I would have been happy to make $300k on that site, not spend that amount, and agree that the value is more in the $5k range today, and even then, it might be tough to make even that amount back...

At ~ $300/mo., that's a year and a half to break even on $5k.

I regret I wrote it's making 300 per month.
We are not trying to sell it based on what it is making now.

The network has not been under active management in 2 years.
It's a wonder it's making sales at all.

If I had written 0, your calculation would have failed because of a division by zero error :-)

It's not fair to judge it on the current revenue

Do you think that if left to idle, with no further work / investment, that it will still haul $300/mo. in mid- / late 2015?

I'm not picking on this site, there are MANY in the same boat...

Based on the history so far - yes it probably would.
Though it will require we keep the site up :-)

[Thomas007]

You have to take more care with your answers Thomas. I don't think that you paid $50k for 10-15 videos did you?

I have to say that this is a very lazy sales thread. Clearly a lot of work went into the concept, and setup, but it is time to face reality and either better prepare your business to be sold or add a little more realism to your expectations.

A business that operates with monthly overheads of almost double its probably not very sustainable revenue even before any mention of how much of that revenue has to be shared with affiliates (which I assume you have as you are paying $150 a month for NATS) really needs to get its house in better order before presenting itself to the market.

I am not saying that it couldn't be worth $20k or thereabouts to the right buyer, I am just saying that you have to work a lot harder to sell a loss making business with potential than you do to sell something that actually makes money.

You asked about how many videos. I answered on that :-)
I'm not trying to sell it based on the content or the results.

Most of the money spend on content, which was 50k went to pay models for picture sets.
I think we paid 40 or 50 dollars per set.

There should be at least 500 sets we own the rights for.

This was back in the fall of 2008. Tubes and videos wasn't ruling the adult industry yet.
As I remember it, most of the models wasn't that comfortable with videos.
So we accepted picture sets.
In hindsight we should have insisted on videos.

[Thomas007]

OK I will be polite: you are delusional Sir.

10-15 videos and 300k spent? I ask again: ON WHAT?

The CMS is not worth 20k, the content is not worth 20k, the existing revenue is not worth 20k.....I am sorry but maybe the adult game is one you should not be playing. Take whatever $$$ you can and move on.

Sir.

I like you, but man. You make yourself look very bad here. First of, link to the whole story in the OP`s first post. Read that and you will learn more about where and how those 300k was spent.
On top of that, saying that the adult game is not one they should play. Well, if you mean running paysites then point taken.
But overall, take a look in Thomas sig and a statement like that should not be made at all.

To finish, the honesty to tell the full story like they have takes some serious balls. Most would hide. So for me, huge respect to Thomas and Jeppe for what they have done.

thebestamateur thank you for defending Jeppe and I.
I appreciate that a lot, and I also think that when someone else is willing to stand up for us, we have a reputation that is worth something.
I'm not using your real name because I don't know if you want it out.

I'm willing to agree on that the results we have shown with running a paysite is bad.
If that was the only thing we did in the adult industry I would agree with you.

We opened the first review site back in 2001, it was adultreviews.net
It's now adultreviews.com
We bought that domain at a price of 43k and when we bought it, it was 1/3 of one months net revenue after expenses.

The review sites are still under active management and it's funding our mainstream ventures.
They also funded our attempt with Lifestyle Amateurs.

It is not as good as it was in 2007 when things peaked, but it's still decent money.

And no, the review sites are not for sale.

Regarding Lifestyle Amateurs or any paysite host/network:
The person who can get the models with content and traffic to reach critical mass at the same time will have a good business and a self exposing and scaling concept. We failed on that. We are tech people, we could build infrastructure, and that's what we are trying to sell. It will be a waste just to close things down.
In the right hands, it's a good tool.

[Thomas007]

Good luck with the sale, I think you'll be pressed to get what you ask but maybe someone will see the value of this and snatch it.

Thank you.

I would rather buy your other sites : adultreviews and pornreviews :D

They are not for sale :-)

I bid 2000$ , nice domain.

Thank you.
I would like to see what else come in before I will accept your offer.
The 2000 is enough to justify the time to transfer domains and give info about how things are working.
I also received some partnership offers I have to consider.
In a partnership, we can help with an ongoing contact base to other paysite owners for trades. Paysite owners are coming to the review sites to get reviewed.

We prefer to sell it though.

[Thomas007]

This is an accurate statement.

We decided to focus on our own properties. We liked their concept but we were unable to devote the resources to it that would have made it successful without losing focus on our brand; so unfortunately we had to respectfully and amicably part ways.

The right buyer imo would be someone looking for a turnkey solution for an amateur site network that has good access to amateurs to generate content and knows how to squeeze whatever juice is left from the tgp network.

Thank you for filling in.
I appreciate that and the last part is a good way to explain what's needed.

[PornDiscounts-R]

thebestamateur thank you for defending Jeppe and I.
I appreciate that a lot, and I also think that when someone else is willing to stand up for us, we have a reputation that is worth something.
I'm not using your real name because I don't know if you want it out.

You are very welcome. You can use my real name
Your reputation was a big part of why i made that post. You were among the first i had contact to when i had my old paysite ( thebestamateur comes from that )

You and Jeppe helped with questions i had with great patience and understanding.
As it should be of course, just not all that are that way.
Guess i just like the way you present yourself in general.

Best of luck on the sale.

[Relentless]

Best of luck Thomas.
It's not a system I need, but if I did need one you are exactly who id buy it from.

One suggestion. Is there a way you can mainstream it?
If the development time is minimal to convert it, you seem to have the start of a very good social platform backend perhaps.
Evolve what it does, license it out and earn more than it might currently sell for?

Just my 2cents