The Fukushima video everybody needs to watch

[BFT3K]

Good luck, humans...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=kAMmE3BMtkE#t

[_Richard_]

problem with Fukushima is GE. GE are the ones behind this design and TELCO, and in extension, mostly all the reactors on the planet

kinda like a ticking time bomb.. they already shut down the reactors with the exact same designs

[dyna mo]

aren't they currently in the middle of risking global nuclear annihilation by removing the fuel rods from unit#4?

not that they can't leave them there. either way, not sure what can be done now. the entire pacific is glowing, the site itself is one earthquake away from shitting all over us again and with energy needs increasing exponentially, there are not many options other than gen 3 nuke plants to supply that energy.

[2MuchMark]

8:55: "If there's another earthquake (in Japan) and building 4 falls, I'm going to evacuate my family from Boston".

Holy shit..

[dyna mo]

hah, i said "in the middle of removing the fuel rods from #4" when it will actually takes dozens of years to remove those, so basically, the threat of an exponentially greater fuku nuke explosion will exist for that long.

ftr, there is no fucking way they will do that without an explosion.



On Monday, November 18, Tokyo Electric began the long-delayed process of removing spent fuel rods from the damaged Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant, this process beginning what is said to be a possible decades-long procedure.

http://truth-out.org/video/item/2035...hima-fuel-rods

[dyna mo]

After repeated delays since the summer of 2011, the Tokyo Electric Power Company has launched a high-risk operation to empty the spent-fuel pool atop Reactor 4 at the Dai-ichi (No.1) Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant.


The urgency attached to this particular site, as compared with reactors damaged in meltdowns, arises from several factors:
- over 400 tons of nuclear material in the pool could reignite
- the fire-damaged tank is tilting badly and may topple over sooner than later
- collapse of the structure could trigger a chain reaction and nuclear blast, and
- consequent radioactive releases would heavily contaminate much of the world.
The potential for disaster at the Unit 4 SFP is probably of a higher magnitude than suspected due to the presence of fresh fuel rods, which were delivered during the technical upgrade of Reactor 4 under completion at the time of the March 11, 2011 earthquake and tsunami. The details of that reactor overhaul by GE and Hitachi have yet to be disclosed by TEPCO and the Economy Ministry and continue to be treated as a national-security matter. Here, the few clues from whistleblowers will be pieced together to decipher the nature of the clandestine activity at Fukushima No.1.


http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=633808

[nexcom28]

Why would it take decade(s) to remove fuel rods? How many of the flaming things are there?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by nexcom28

Why would it take decade(s) to remove fuel rods? How many of the flaming things are there?

i'm going by strictly what i've read, so i'm just the messenger here but from what i understand-

tepko claims it will take a year. that's a best-case no problemo scenario.

each rod had to be removed delicately and cannot touch another rod.

there are 1000s of rods, ~1800 tons of fuel rods.


moreover, the rod containers were all damaged, rods cracked, etc. if 1 single rod touches another rod, or even wors- shatters, it could cause a chain-reaction nuclear explosion of all the other rods and the millions of tons of radioactive water they are storing there.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm going by strictly what i've read, so i'm just the messenger here but from what i understand-

tepko claims it will take a year. that's a best-case no problemo scenario.

each rod had to be removed delicately and cannot touch another rod.

there are 1000s of rods, ~1800 tons of fuel rods.

moreover, the rod containers were all damaged, rods cracked, etc. if 1 single rod touches another rod, or even wors- shatters, it could cause a chain-reaction nuclear explosion of all the other rods and the millions of tons of radioactive water they are storing there.

Jesus fucking christ monkey balls!

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm going by strictly what i've read, so i'm just the messenger here but from what i understand-

tepko claims it will take a year. that's a best-case no problemo scenario.

each rod had to be removed delicately and cannot touch another rod.

there are 1000s of rods, ~1800 tons of fuel rods.


moreover, the rod containers were all damaged, rods cracked, etc. if 1 single rod touches another rod, or even wors- shatters, it could cause a chain-reaction nuclear explosion of all the other rods and the millions of tons of radioactive water they are storing there.

what i have heard, but this reactor has both uranium and plutonium

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

8:55: "If there's another earthquake (in Japan) and building 4 falls, I'm going to evacuate my family from Boston".

Holy shit..

i'm wondering which space ship to another planet she plans on catching, where do you evacuate to if you are in boston and evacuating from fuku nuka?

[HomerSimpson]

current nuclear technology should be replaced by new one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_...horium_reactor

here's 5min clip about it

[BFT3K]

Semi-related...

http://www.industrytap.com/thorium-f...nce-a-century/

[freecartoonporn]

so which part of the world will be safe , if they fuck up #4.
I always thought Japanese were talented but fuck this shows how stupid motherfuckers are they.

[SilentKnight]

The capitalist in me says its time to invest in a body bag company.

[BFT3K]

Karma payback for the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Karma payback for the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Except they're all first in line for body bags.

Scary shit - even without the next earthquake. I predict the removal of those rods isn't going to go well.

We could all be in very deep shit in a short time.

Hope I'm wrong, of course. But it sounds very bad.

[BFT3K]

This issue effects all of us - rich or poor.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Karma payback for the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Not really... 3 Mile island would be payback if it were larger. Poor Japan got smacked with nukes in WW2 and now they are smacked again... and kinda sorta, by Americans again too. The Fukushima plant is a General Electric plant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushi...ar_Power_Plant

sigh

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by **********

Not really... 3 Mile island would be payback if it were larger. Poor Japan got smacked with nukes in WW2 and now they are smacked again... and kinda sorta, by Americans again too. The Fukushima plant is a General Electric plant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushi...ar_Power_Plant

sigh

you know for someone who portrays himself as a gfy brainiac, it's nutty how often you misrepresent shit



to get it straight- ge supplied the reactors, they did not design the fucking facility. in fact, it's otr that tepco designed the facility, had final sign off on it all, etc. and were the ones that cut corners installing the ge reactors.

jtfc

[SilentKnight]

A co-worker had a can of sardines on the lunch table earlier today...and this video was the first thing I thought of when I saw'em.

Makes ya' think.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

problem with Fukushima is GE. GE are the ones behind this design and TELCO, and in extension, mostly all the reactors on the planet

"GE, we bring good things to life"

.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

current nuclear technology should be replaced by new one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_...horium_reactor

here's 5min clip about it

very interesting clip...never knew there was such a stable and efficient alternative...if the clip is not nonsense then this is really huge

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

"GE, we bring good things to life"

.

[BFT3K]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

very interesting clip...never knew there was such a stable and efficient alternative...if the clip is not nonsense then this is really huge

Semi-related...

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/vesprman.htm

[Red Ezra]

more bad news to come...

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Semi-related...

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/vesprman.htm

the problem with these conspiracy theories about new energy sources being confiscated by the US gov or whoever is that other governments like russia or china would be all over this shit...they don't or didnt have greedy corporations and "energy cartels", they just had communism....and if there was anything like this really in existence the russiand or chinneese would have adopted it patent or no patent...there would not be one single thing that the US gov could do to stop them except cry like a little girl...

its just too valuable to be put in aside even by the energy cartels....shit imagine you are a huge energy company and you have this new invention that will literally ruin your competition and make you super duper rich...it aint something you are going to put away and not use LOL

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

The capitalist in me says its time to invest in a body bag company.

Or relocation company to the spain/france shore lines.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by BFT3K

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

its just too valuable to be put in aside even by the energy cartels....shit imagine you are a huge energy company and you have this new invention that will literally ruin your competition and make you super duper rich...it aint something you are going to put away and not use LOL

If a free energy machine suddenly came to light, our need for fossil fuels suddenly stops and energy companies cannot justify charging x amount for energy. Yes, it would ruin the competition, but your competition is only local. It would ruin the energy industry (from the financial gain point of view) as a whole because everyone would start using such devices and the overall cost they could charge would be much, much lower since there is no "input" like coal or oil that must be used to generate the power.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by k0nr4d

If a free energy machine suddenly came to light, our need for fossil fuels suddenly stops and energy companies cannot justify charging x amount for energy. Yes, it would ruin the competition, but your competition is only local. It would ruin the energy industry (from the financial gain point of view) as a whole because everyone would start using such devices and the overall cost they could charge would be much, much lower since there is no "input" like coal or oil that must be used to generate the power.

for capitalist countries i agree...

but the point is most of these inventions are from 20 years ago during the not so capitalist times of russia and china, the world was not all corporate back then....the russians and chinnese did not care much about profit and corporations and input but output and efficiency and sticking it to the west and capitalism...it would have been the HOLY GRAIL for communism...and the west in no way shape or form has a monopoly on science or innovation...the article i critiqued sites regular joe inventors, not some superlab super black ops US military lab researchers...if these regular joes came up with it, then the russians and chinneese would have come up with it too or at least obtained it though espionage...

lets say inventor regular joe really did have plans that were confiscated...whats stopping him from posting new ones on the net? if they discovered it they can re-discover it and make new plans...its not like they get a men-in-black brainwash with a government issue memory eraser pen?...ok a few are afraid but what is keeping the rest from say seeking asylum in a foreign embassy and demonstrating their holy grail clean energy invention to the media and making trillions of $$$??

im not even taking in to account the 1000-s upon 1000-s of mid sized labs and researchers working on similar project or just within the energy industry, I can not imagine a lab/research center that would not be all over that shit...

like tubes lead to the downfall of porn, somebody would have jumped to the opportunity if there was any truth to this cheap alternative energy, greed is a serious serious factor

the thorium reactor seems realistic only because the projected costs are in the billions and this is hard to finance so It semi believable but the cheap stuff that costs under 1mil$ to make or whatever is a hoax plain and simple...its just too good to leave alone or put away...

[EonBlue]

People who are tired of all of the ridiculous scare-mongering from the Internet will read this:

True facts about Ocean Radiation and the Fukushima Disaster

People who love all of the scare-mongering won't read it because it will ruin their scare-mongering.

That's not to say that the Fukushima disaster is not a problem and that it can't still get worse because it is and it can. But 99% of the scare-mongering passed around on Youtube and the Internet in general is factually wrong and usually just downright deceitful.

[dyna mo]

yes, we should all get our nuclear meltdown news from an oceanographer and also, obviously, her blog is 100% valid whilst any that disagree with an oceanographer are clearly wrong.




Kim Martini is a Physical Oceanographer at the Joint Institute for the Study of Atmosphere and Ocean at the University of Washington.

Originally Posted by EonBlue

People who are tired of all of the ridiculous scare-mongering from the Internet will read this:

True facts about Ocean Radiation and the Fukushima Disaster

People who love all of the scare-mongering won't read it because it will ruin their scare-mongering.

That's not to say that the Fukushima disaster is not a problem and that it can't still get worse because it is and it can. But 99% of the scare-mongering passed around on Youtube and the Internet in general is factually wrong and usually just downright deceitful.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

People who are tired of all of the ridiculous scare-mongering from the Internet will read this:

True facts about Ocean Radiation and the Fukushima Disaster

People who love all of the scare-mongering won't read it because it will ruin their scare-mongering.

That's not to say that the Fukushima disaster is not a problem and that it can't still get worse because it is and it can. But 99% of the scare-mongering passed around on Youtube and the Internet in general is factually wrong and usually just downright deceitful.

alright

find me seaweed testing beyond 2012.. so end of 2012, sometime in 2013

im honestly curious, i can't find any

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

People who are tired of all of the ridiculous scare-mongering from the Internet will read this:

True facts about Ocean Radiation and the Fukushima Disaster

People who love all of the scare-mongering won't read it because it will ruin their scare-mongering.

That's not to say that the Fukushima disaster is not a problem and that it can't still get worse because it is and it can. But 99% of the scare-mongering passed around on Youtube and the Internet in general is factually wrong and usually just downright deceitful.

did you actually read the article you linked?

she clearly states she has no fucking clue about the exact amount of radiation released, then she continues her diatribe saying everything is fine, eat fish, except maybe bottom dwellers.

frack, she also has no real idea of how the facility operates

The radioactive rods in the Fukushima power plant are usually cooled by seawater [CORRECTION: they are usually cooled by freshwater. As a last ditch emergency effort at Fukushima seawater was used as a coolant.]. The double whammy of an earthquake and a tsunami pretty much released a s**tstorm of badness: the power went out, meltdown started and eventually the radioactive cooling seawater started leaking (and was also intentionally released) into the ocean. Radioactive isotopes were also released into the air and were absorbed by the ocean when they rained down upon it. These two pathways introduced mostly Iodine-131, Cesium-137, and Cesium-134, but also a sprinkling of Tellurium, Uranium and Strontium to the area surrounding the power plant.

There aren’t great estimates of how much of each of these isotopes were released into the ocean since TEPCO, the company that owns the power plant hasn’t exactly been forthcoming with information

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

People who are tired of all of the ridiculous scare-mongering from the Internet will read this:

True facts about Ocean Radiation and the Fukushima Disaster

People who love all of the scare-mongering won't read it because it will ruin their scare-mongering.

That's not to say that the Fukushima disaster is not a problem and that it can't still get worse because it is and it can. But 99% of the scare-mongering passed around on Youtube and the Internet in general is factually wrong and usually just downright deceitful.

she even links to this article from that nonsense she spouts:

Japan nuclear body says radioactive water at Fukushima an 'emergency'

(Reuters) - Highly radioactive water seeping into the ocean from Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear plant is creating an "emergency" that the operator is struggling to contain, an official from the country's nuclear watchdog said on Monday.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/0...97408V20130806

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

People who are tired of all of the ridiculous scare-mongering from the Internet will read this:

True facts about Ocean Radiation and the Fukushima Disaster

People who love all of the scare-mongering won't read it because it will ruin their scare-mongering.

That's not to say that the Fukushima disaster is not a problem and that it can't still get worse because it is and it can. But 99% of the scare-mongering passed around on Youtube and the Internet in general is factually wrong and usually just downright deceitful.

please apply for enrollment @

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

yes, we should all get our nuclear meltdown news from an oceanographer and also, obviously, her blog is 100% valid whilst any that disagree with an oceanographer are clearly wrong.




Kim Martini is a Physical Oceanographer at the Joint Institute for the Study of Atmosphere and Ocean at the University of Washington.

I never figured you for one to buy into blatant alarmism based on misrepresentation and misinformation.

Certainly she is not an expert on nuclear meltdowns but as an oceanographer she is likely to know a wee tad bit more than the average Joe about ocean currents and the distribution and dilution of pollutants in the ocean. She clearly demonstrated the misuse of apparently alarming imagery that is so often misused and misrepresented by scare-mongers in their videos and websites. But if you prefer to believe the scare-mongers even after they have been caught blatantly lying that is your prerogative. I guess it makes for more lively conversation.

Does everyone remember how we were all going to die after Chernobyl too? We're still here and Chernobyl was a much worse nuclear incident than Fukushima.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

she even links to this article from that nonsense she spouts:

Japan nuclear body says radioactive water at Fukushima an 'emergency'

(Reuters) - Highly radioactive water seeping into the ocean from Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear plant is creating an "emergency" that the operator is struggling to contain, an official from the country's nuclear watchdog said on Monday.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/0...97408V20130806

Did you even read the article you linked?

Eric Norman, a nuclear engineering professor at the University of California, Berkeley, said the latest leak was not a concern.

"The Pacific Ocean is an enormous place," said Norman, who found radiation from the Fukushima nuclear power in California rainwater, milk and plants soon after the earthquake and tsunami. "There's a lot of material between us and Japan. No matter what happens in Fukushima, it's not going to be a problem over here."

Please apply for enrollment @

[TheDA]

Something that always gets me about Japan and their Heath And Safety.

The make workers wear hard hats but then let them wear canvas shoues of those funny looking Jika-tabi boots with no protection.

[EonBlue]

Scientists downplay Fukushima radiation hazards

Experts agree that the radiation from the Fukushima nuclear plant is an "environmental catastrophe," but it is only a fraction of the fallout from atmospheric nuclear tests carried out in the 1950s and 1960s, they say.

[...]

Since the disaster struck more than two-and-a-half-years ago, there has been widespread international criticism of the operators of the plant and the Japanese government, both for failures before the earthquake struck and errors made subsequently. But experts say that mankind has been living with far higher levels of nuclear contamination for more than half a century.

[...]

Dr. Aoyama's studies show that by 1970, an estimated 290 petabecquerels - an alarming 29 followed by 15 zeroes - of cesium fallout was in the north Pacific ocean from atmospheric weapons tests. In contrast, the direct discharge from Fukushima was around 3 petabecquerels, while the total atmospheric release - some 80 percent of which was deposited on the Pacific - came to some 15 petabecquerels.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

alright

find me seaweed testing beyond 2012.. so end of 2012, sometime in 2013

im honestly curious, i can't find any

while you're at it.. maybe a bulletproof argument on why we suddenly stopped testing for air borne radiation

and why we raised the acceptable radiation levels in.. everything..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Scientists downplay Fukushima radiation hazards

again, retarded, there are no correlations included showing the cancer and health issues resulting from all the radioactive fallout in the 50s and 60s.


it's a fake argument to claim that it appears there is less radioactivity resulting from fukashima than released in the 50s, therefore, we are all good.

[Tom_PM]

Well that tears it. I'm asking for my money back.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

again, retarded, there are no correlations included showing the cancer and health issues resulting from all the radioactive fallout in the 50s and 60s.


it's a fake argument to claim that it appears there is less radioactivity resulting from fukashima than released in the 50s, therefore, we are all good.

It's not a fake argument. It's an argument meant to put things into perspective. But clearly some people aren't interested in perspective as they are only interested in blowing things way out of proportion in the hopes of adding a little excitement to their day.

But seriously, feel free to panic even if the panic may be more harmful to your health than what you are panicking over.

For god's sake even David Suzuki is looking at things more rationally than your typical Internet alarmist:

Despite Fukushima radiation, scientists say West Coast fish is safe

No point in arguing any of this further. It's obvious that for some people the sky is always falling.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

while you're at it.. maybe a bulletproof argument on why we suddenly stopped testing for air borne radiation

and why we raised the acceptable radiation levels in.. everything..

I have no way of knowing whether any of that is true or false and I'm pretty sure that you don't either.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

I have no way of knowing whether any of that is true or false and I'm pretty sure that you don't either.

you can't just google it?

where do you get this info you're currently posting now?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-a...rocket/5331224

you seem to be 'pretty sure' about a lot of things..

you find yourself using belief a lot?

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

It's not a fake argument. It's an argument meant to put things into perspective. But clearly some people aren't interested in perspective as they are only interested in blowing things way out of proportion in the hopes of adding a little excitement to their day.

But seriously, feel free to panic even if the panic may be more harmful to your health than what you are panicking over.

For god's sake even David Suzuki is looking at things more rationally than your typical Internet alarmist:

Despite Fukushima radiation, scientists say West Coast fish is safe

No point in arguing any of this further. It's obvious that for some people the sky is always falling.

yup, no point in arguing anymore, here is david suzuki's dire warning on fuka nuka, as opposed to the article you linked which is nothing more than an article stating that as of today, it's ok to eat seafood on the west coast.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

It's not a fake argument. It's an argument meant to put things into perspective. But clearly some people aren't interested in perspective as they are only interested in blowing things way out of proportion in the hopes of adding a little excitement to their day.

But seriously, feel free to panic even if the panic may be more harmful to your health than what you are panicking over.

For god's sake even David Suzuki is looking at things more rationally than your typical Internet alarmist:

Despite Fukushima radiation, scientists say West Coast fish is safe

No point in arguing any of this further. It's obvious that for some people the sky is always falling.

just like the other article you posted, from the article you posted:

Any amount of leaked radiation is harmful to the planet and the health of all species, including humans. A major release of radioactivity, such as that from Fukushima, is a huge concern, with unknowns remaining around long-term health risks such as cancers.

[dyna mo]

it's beyond insane to me to see peeps trying to lessen the impact of this, let alone make it out like people being concerned are akin to conspiracy theorists.