Why is a "New World Order" a bad thing?

[slapass]

At some point it would make sense for the world to have just one government. Just think of the savings on military alone.

I have thought that in my life time would start to move towards this. The EU is a good start but lets get a move on and get the USA to join. Or at least an AU.

[BIGTYMER]

Fuck no. We have problems running our own counties/cities/states/country.

Could you imagine ALL countries under one roof? Clusterfuck!

[Si]

Not going to happen anytime soon if ever, just something the conspiracy theorists like to use to scare people into believing their agenda.

[slapass]

Well just to be clear, the USA is beholden to no one at this point and so far they have not enslaved the masses. Obviously it would work a bit like the Communist ideal in that so much of what the Federal govt does is work with the other federal govts. So if we had just one we could drop embassies, borders, military, trade, spying. The savings are amazing. Whole things we worry about now would just disappear. Maybe one language, money, etc.

Wouldn't it be cool if we as a world did stuff that made sense?

Edited to remove example as I couldn't support it.

[Rochard]

A lot of people fear the government and are overly concerned about their "rights".

I'm not sure about anyone else, but the only time I come into contact with the government is when I pay my taxes, register my car, or go through security at the airport. Otherwise, I come and go as I want, do as I please, and no one gives a crap what I do.

[sperbonzo]

The larger the population and geographic area that a government rules over, the less representative it becomes. If you want to have your view represented at the local level, a couple of hundred people showing up at a city council meeting will make a big impact. Meanwhile if 1 million people show up at the federal level, they don't even notice you are there. Imagine a world government, run from, say China, (the logical choice). How much do you think your views, priorities, and concerns would be addressed or represented with that situation? You could get 10 million people that agree with you about an issue to show up in the world capital of Beijing, and it would still be meaningless and dismissed by a government on that scale.

With small, local governments, if you don't like the way one government is acting, you can "vote with your feet", and go somewhere that more matches your worldview. If there is a world government and you don't like the way they are doing things, where will you go?

If you want a government that actually represents what people want, you better hope that there is never a world government.




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[Minte]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

The larger the population and geographic area that a government rules over, the less representative it becomes. If you want to have your view represented at the local level, a couple of hundred people showing up at a city council meeting will make a big impact. Meanwhile if 1 million people show up at the federal level, they don't even notice you are there. Imagine a world government, run from, say China, (the logical choice). How much do you think your views, priorities, and concerns would be addressed or represented with that situation? You could get 10 million people that agree with you about an issue to show up in the world capital of Beijing, and it would still be meaningless and dismissed by a government on that scale.

With small, local governments, if you don't like the way one government is acting, you can "vote with your feet", and go somewhere that more matches your worldview. If there is a world government and you don't like the way they are doing things, where will you go?

If you want a government that actually represents what people want, you better hope that there is never a world government.




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He probably really wants the NWO to be run by King Obama.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Rochard

A lot of people fear the government and are overly concerned about their "rights".

I'm not sure about anyone else, but the only time I come into contact with the government is when I pay my taxes, register my car, or go through security at the airport. Otherwise, I come and go as I want, do as I please, and no one gives a crap what I do.

except the whole porn thing.. right?

[ajrocks]

Yes follow the EU model, it's going very well for them! The only issue with the new world order is if you earn a good living, you won't be any longer.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

The larger the population and geographic area that a government rules over, the less representative it becomes. If you want to have your view represented at the local level, a couple of hundred people showing up at a city council meeting will make a big impact. Meanwhile if 1 million people show up at the federal level, they don't even notice you are there. Imagine a world government, run from, say China, (the logical choice). How much do you think your views, priorities, and concerns would be addressed or represented with that situation? You could get 10 million people that agree with you about an issue to show up in the world capital of Beijing, and it would still be meaningless and dismissed by a government on that scale.

With small, local governments, if you don't like the way one government is acting, you can "vote with your feet", and go somewhere that more matches your worldview. If there is a world government and you don't like the way they are doing things, where will you go?

If you want a government that actually represents what people want, you better hope that there is never a world government.




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You get that you would still have local govts? The need for total centralization has not worked anywhere and would not be a likely model.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by Minte

He probably really wants the NWO to be run by King Obama.

Indirect democracy or a republic seems to be best. I know we are as politically opposed as two people can get but you can see the advantages of this? Maybe? I guess everyone assumes that who ever is in charge would start to take adavantage of whoever is not in charge. Democracies seem better at not doing this.

[Heath]

I can't imagine why anyone who own's a porn site would think 'one world government' would be a good idea.

You are aware most countries in the UN wanted to see porn blocked completely right? Look up the bill the Muslim nations put together just last year, and China agreed with, as well as nations that always agree with what China does. It would have easily passed if the US didn't veto it alone with EU and South American nations.

[seeandsee]

Crazy to think about it as something good for me... total control, no please

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by slapass

You get that you would still have local govts? The need for total centralization has not worked anywhere and would not be a likely model.

Of course, but if the central laws are supreme over local ones, then the local governments will simply be mouthpieces for the central government, and the scenario that I described will still occur.


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[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by slapass

At some point it would make sense for the world to have just one government. Just think of the savings on military alone.

I have thought that in my life time would start to move towards this. The EU is a good start but lets get a move on and get the USA to join. Or at least an AU.

One day, it will be if we must band together to face a common threat, cant think of any other way in our reality cause we will never all get along other wise.

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by Rochard

A lot of people fear the government and are overly concerned about their "rights".

I'm not sure about anyone else, but the only time I come into contact with the government is when I pay my taxes, register my car, or go through security at the airport. Otherwise, I come and go as I want, do as I please, and no one gives a crap what I do.

Must be nice. It used to be like that for me too. Now I have to deal with Border Patrol checkpoints and Border Patrol agents spying on me while I walk my dog.

It's insane how many of them are out there now. This is happening all over our borders. Washington, California, Arizona, Texas. Take a look at Detroit! Holy shit. They are like the local police there.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by slapass

I guess everyone assumes that who ever is in charge would start to take adavantage of whoever is not in charge. Democracies seem better at not doing this.

Over what period of time? If you take a somewhat longer historical perspective you may notice that "seeming better at this" is quite a short term vision. Governments ALWAYS grow their power, by their very nature, and a world government would grow it's power indefinitely. I guess you don't care if porn is outlawed world wide, as would most certainly happen if you had world-wide "majority rule". The majority of the people in the world are Muslim. Even with a "perfect democracy", those who want porn to be legal will be outvoted, and there will be nowhere to go to escape the "world government".




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[DTK]

Because a bunch of closet fascists are leading the NWO drive.

[ottopottomouse]

Won't work until there is only one language and no religions.

[PornMD]

The assumption if there is a New World Order is that it will be some form of dictatorship and people won't have the rights and freedoms they have today, and/or bigger parity in wealth etc. The funny thing is that us "spreading freedom" works more towards a NWO than if we minded our own fucking business.

[GregE]

This guy just wanted a "New Order" in Europe.



And folks got pretty upset about that.



And then . . .



George Bush Sr. comes along and starts blathering about a New World Order.

WTF???

[PornDiscounts-V]

Larger is not better. Which is why we have the United States and not the State of America.

I enjoy the fact that I can have very different experiences in each state because of their different view points and varying laws. I would never want that to change.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

except the whole porn thing.. right?

Well, this year marks fifteen years of working in adult full time. Oddly enough, not once has the government contacted me about it. Not once.

[mineistaken]

One good thing (that was mentioned in those NWO conspiracies) would be population control. Why we eat gmo, monsanto and other "enhanced" food? Because there are too many people to feed with natural food. That is just a start, imagine what would be in 100-200 years.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Must be nice. It used to be like that for me too. Now I have to deal with Border Patrol checkpoints and Border Patrol agents spying on me while I walk my dog.

It's insane how many of them are out there now. This is happening all over our borders. Washington, California, Arizona, Texas. Take a look at Detroit! Holy shit. They are like the local police there.

Depending on where you live, yes, this could be a huge issue. But you need to remember that this is not your government spying you, it's protecting you. Take a look at what's happening on the other side of the border. I don't want that shit going on here.

(One time going down to a convention in San Diego at 2am in the morning on the open freeway I decided to let it rip.... I got the car up to 150mph and freaking held it here... Not a car in miles... Suddenly on all sides of the freeway there was cop lights - my side of the freeway, the median, the far side... I'm like "fuck I'm going to prison". Turns out they were all Border Patrol and they had been watching someone and they shot off into the desert - the never even saw me. Good times....)

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by slapass

At some point it would make sense for the world to have just one government. Just think of the savings on military alone.

I have thought that in my life time would start to move towards this. The EU is a good start but lets get a move on and get the USA to join. Or at least an AU.

Watch a few minutes of Nigel Farage then come back here and tell us you still want a New World Order, The EU is one of the most dysfunctional organizations in history.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jCbg-...eature=related