IMC President Kuppens Launches Antipiracy Union ACIUF

[DVTimes]

Siep R. Kuppens, President of the International Media Company, producers of numerous adult paysites, including ClubSeventeen.com and TeenLiveSex.com, is putting out a call to arms to all adult content producers who have been hijacked by online pirates and to those who wish to take preemptive measures to protect their intellectual property.

As a businessman who?s seen his own sites hacked and his company dwindle from 60 employees to 25, Kuppens knows firsthand the damage digital copyright infringement can cause and has a difficult time hiding his?let?s call it enthusiasm?for ?killing? pirates.

?When I first started at IMC, I was sort of flabbergasted by the dejection of some people in this industry,? Kuppens told XBIZ. ?Discussions, both within IMC and external, about piracy, illegal file-sharing and free tubes resulted in remarks like ?it is here and you better learn to live with it.? If I suggested putting up a fight, they looked at me like I was some sort of a Don Quixote.?

Kuppens soon found his Sancho Panza in ClassMedia.com head Marcel. Together they?ve launched the Adult Content Industry United Foundation (ACIUF), a union of adult industry professionals willing to put their money and knowledge where their mouths are to combat pirates in court and terminate illegal hosting from cyberlockers and other delinquent downloaders.

The group has a battle cry: ?Unite and put up a fight.? They have allied themselves with FileSharingCrime.org and consult with payment providers and government tax and justice departments with the goal of acquiring infringing URLS, which they then use to shut down illegal hosting sites.

?We build a program which allows us to analyze a pirate,? Kuppens explained. ?With this, we can see where they take the content, say to at least 60 smaller pirate sites. Kill the big ones and the little ones go as well. For example, if we prove that file hosting companies have stolen content, we can take proper action. The hosting company will have no other option than to block the site. If they pop up somewhere else, we will repeat the action. One by one we will go after them.?

But, don?t call them illegal content removers. The ACIUF?s mission, according to Kuppens, is to legally remove major piracy players from the web; not just the property they steal. While Kuppens acknowledges the aid illegal content removing services provide, he?s suspicious of their commitment to the overall cause, citing that such companies rely on piracy to stay in business.

?Most of them do a good job, but removing content is a gag,? Kuppens said. ?You take it away and within no time it is back again. The thieves laugh in our faces. Content removers have a huge knowledge base, and it looks like they are not using it. Give us the information and we will kill some pirates like they are mayflies.?

In addition to hunting down pirates, the organization also offers adult companies antipiracy support through a variety of track-and-trace methods such as encoding tips and IP-block tools.

The ACIUF does require membership fees to fund its hired staff, equipment, location and, of course, legal battles. ?I know the money will be an issue,? Kuppens said. ?Some people will make it look like we are in this for the money. Well, nothing could be further from the truth. We are just some guys that want to make a stand, we want our business back.?

To learn more about Kuppens? organization, visit ACIUF.org.

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[combson]

It was about time someone do something like this...

[DVTimes]

it does sound interesting.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

A few years overdue, but still welcome nonetheless.

It would be nice to see some of the larger companies get on board (such as Manwin, AFF, etc - especially given their past involvement with piracy).

ADG

[Relentless]

Good to see

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Relentless

Good to see

Agreed

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

A few years overdue, but still welcome nonetheless.

It would be nice to see some of the larger companies get on board (such as Manwin, AFF, etc - especially given their past involvement with piracy).

ADG

from the ACIUF website

The ACIUF is in the process of ?remove pirates? operation. Within this process we track pirates and pirate sites to collect a list from all companies who are victim. All these companies will be contacted by our team as the ACIUF needs the collaboration to act.

so it should get support from the big players in the industry to add strength

[RuthB]

Very nice! BIG Thumbs up to the guys from Payserve (IMC) !!

[DWB]

Sounds like every other failed attempt to gather people in the business to fight... anything.

I wish them luck.

[pimpmaster9000]

Sooner or later content producers will unite. May not happen now but its inevitable, it has happened with almost every other industry and with new laws like ACTA and SOPA just around the corner it will not be such a futile fight any more. Times are changing and pirate profits will be taking a massive hit real soon.

[Nautilus]

MPAA of porn is an excellent idea, and the one that is long overdue. I hope that this venture is not going to be shortlived as many others in this biz, good luck mr. Kuppens, you have full our support on this.

[Barry-xlovecam]

They have the right idea -- go after the pirate "mother-ships" so to speak. However, you have to have "balls" in your cannons to take them down ...

Truth be known, there are a lot of hosts and advertising media sellers making a lot of money off this piracy so there is some wind in the sails to contend with still.

[19teenporn]

If they don't quit soon, they will win.

Wish them good luck.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Sooner or later content producers will unite. May not happen now but its inevitable, it has happened with almost every other industry and with new laws like ACTA and SOPA just around the corner it will not be such a futile fight any more. Times are changing and pirate profits will be taking a massive hit real soon.

and then pink bunny will hop down the street handing out eggs of solid gold.

[spazlabz]

Sorry I have not been around to reply, the tornados that hit the US had me out of power on and off friday and my family has been helping some friends clean up after the storms today... so bump for weekend crowd

[sandman!]

[kane]

I wish them well and hope it does some good. Organizing webmasters is like herding cats. . . it is not an easy job.

[DVTimes]

bump for great news.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

They have the right idea -- go after the pirate "mother-ships" so to speak. However, you have to have "balls" in your cannons to take them down ...

Truth be known, there are a lot of hosts and advertising media sellers making a lot of money off this piracy so there is some wind in the sails to contend with still.

New laws will help.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

and then pink bunny will hop down the street handing out eggs of solid gold.

I spent almost 14 years working as a pirate. Had 6 shops, 18 workers...

Why is this relevant?

1 little law passed in '99 in just one day in my shit hole country lead to the complete destruction of the pirate scene. What I speak of is factual reality, not some "theory".

Now I am not counting on ACTA/SOPA/PIPA or whatever, nor am I saying that porn profits will return to the golden days..... BUT if you think this pirate "file sharing" paradise will last then it is you that believes in pink bunnies and golden eggs....

how naive are you to think that they won't pass a law sooner or later LOL

[Barry-xlovecam]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

New laws will help.

Laws stop at political borders notwithstanding international treaties ...

[spazlabz]

bump for more eyes on Sunday night/Monday morning

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I spent almost 14 years working as a pirate. Had 6 shops, 18 workers...

Why is this relevant?

1 little law passed in '99 in just one day in my shit hole country lead to the complete destruction of the pirate scene. What I speak of is factual reality, not some "theory".

Now I am not counting on ACTA/SOPA/PIPA or whatever, nor am I saying that porn profits will return to the golden days..... BUT if you think this pirate "file sharing" paradise will last then it is you that believes in pink bunnies and golden eggs....

how naive are you to think that they won't pass a law sooner or later LOL

because i know the solution

and i know this little filesharing thing is the next vcr

it will bring a revenue stream greater than all the previous combined.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

because i know the solution

and i know this little filesharing thing is the next vcr

it will bring a revenue stream greater than all the previous combined.

oh you know something other people cant see...wow...you are so special...so very special...

I mean all the successful multi billion $$$$$ producers do not see it your way but you, a broke loser, knows the solution....

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

New laws will help.

Will these new laws be worldwide? I only ask because last time I looked, the internet was world wide.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Will these new laws be worldwide? I only ask because last time I looked, the internet was world wide.

payment processing= mastercard and visa and say amex

all incorporated in the USA

hit payment processing for pirates=good bye pirate profits


also google/yahoo/bing in the USA, ban pirate advertising/listing=good bye pirate profits

no global law changes are really needed...just some targeted geo work....

[DVTimes]

bump.........................

[kane]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

oh you know something other people cant see...wow...you are so special...so very special...

I mean all the successful multi billion $$$$$ producers do not see it your way but you, a broke loser, knows the solution....

It is the beauty of Gideon.

The major media companies in the world have access to the best and brightest minds of the business world and technology world yet none of these people know what Gideon appears to know and Gideon refuses to walk into one of these companies and offer to sell it to them. If he really could do what he claims he can do record labels, TV and movie studios would line up to throw money at him. Yet he is still working a day job.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by kane

It is the beauty of Gideon.

The major media companies in the world have access to the best and brightest minds of the business world and technology world yet none of these people know what Gideon appears to know and Gideon refuses to walk into one of these companies and offer to sell it to them. If he really could do what he claims he can do record labels, TV and movie studios would line up to throw money at him. Yet he is still working a day job.

but don't you know that gideon is special?? this P-I-M-P is going to show me how rich he is I asked him in another thread and I am STILL waiting on his answer, because such wealth can not be documented in such a short period of time...

gideon will post pictures of his ferraris and lambos and yachts and jets and shit....man will all those stupid media giants feel stupid when gideon shows them his wealth

this P-L-A-Y-A will show us just how effective his method of making $$$$$ really is, I mean all he has to do is take just one single photo of his multi billion $$$ mansion and we will all be reduced to tears of envy....

prepare for gideon to post some serious proof! he must be rolling in the $$$$ with his mystery method LOL no chance of him being a fake phony wannabe...

you will regret doubting gideon I tell you!

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by kane

It is the beauty of Gideon.

The major media companies in the world have access to the best and brightest minds of the business world and technology world yet none of these people know what Gideon appears to know and Gideon refuses to walk into one of these companies and offer to sell it to them. If he really could do what he claims he can do record labels, TV and movie studios would line up to throw money at him. Yet he is still working a day job.

ok so why did you backpeddle on you agreement to allow me to black list you.

To allow people to choose between working with you and using my techniques.

If you truly believed they don't exist you would accept

Let me guess you will come up with some other reason why you won't stand by your word.

[kane]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

but don't you know that gideon is special?? this P-I-M-P is going to show me how rich he is I asked him in another thread and I am STILL waiting on his answer, because such wealth can not be documented in such a short period of time...

gideon will post pictures of his ferraris and lambos and yachts and jets and shit....man will all those stupid media giants feel stupid when gideon shows them his wealth

this P-L-A-Y-A will show us just how effective his method of making $$$$$ really is, I mean all he has to do is take just one single photo of his multi billion $$$ mansion and we will all be reduced to tears of envy....

prepare for gideon to post some serious proof! he must be rolling in the $$$$ with his mystery method LOL no chance of him being a fake phony wannabe...

you will regret doubting gideon I tell you!

Gideon is such a player he will likely demand that you pay him to show proof. He is so busy redefining the world of media distribution he can't waste the time nor money it would take to show you proof for free. LOL

[kane]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

ok so why did you backpeddle on you agreement to allow me to black list you.

To allow people to choose between working with you and using my techniques.

If you truly believed they don't exist you would accept

Let me guess you will come up with some other reason why you won't stand by your word.

As I said before. I have never said I wanted to use your techniques. I have never said I wanted to work with you. I asked for you to show me proof that I promised you could blacklist me from your program and . . . wait for it. . . you as per normal showed nothing.

I am just playing your game. You always demand something for showing proof. I am just doing the same. I will give you all my personal info and you can blacklist me from using your system for $25K.

[AdultEUhost]

bump

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by kane

As I said before. I have never said I wanted to use your techniques. I have never said I wanted to work with you. I asked for you to show me proof that I promised you could blacklist me from your program and . . . wait for it. . . you as per normal showed nothing.

i asked for your real name and information so i could blacklist you from benefiting from my techniques. And you refused.

So that what a scum bag calls agreeing right, backpeddling like you did

I am just playing your game. You always demand something for showing proof. I am just doing the same. I will give you all my personal info and you can blacklist me from using your system for $25K.

bullshit every single time i asked to get paid there is always a free option

for example robbie could get me to show him everything and not have to put one single video into the public domain, by simply keeping his word and NOT uses any of the techniques i showed you guys.



so even your backpedaling is total bullshit.

You want me to pay you to keep your word, to live up to the agreement you just admitted you made.

An agreement your trying to argue i am breaching even though you still haven't give me the REQUIRED real information about you so i can put you in the appropriate black list.

[kane]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

i asked for your real name and information so i could blacklist you from benefiting from my techniques. And you refused.

So that what a scum bag calls agreeing right, backpeddling like you did




bullshit every single time i asked to get paid there is always a free option

for example robbie could get me to show him everything and not have to put one single video into the public domain, by simply keeping his word and NOT uses any of the techniques i showed you guys.



so even your backpedaling is total bullshit.

You want me to pay you to keep your word, to live up to the agreement you just admitted you made.

An agreement your trying to argue i am breaching even though you still haven't give me the REQUIRED real information about you so i can put you in the appropriate black list.

Again. Show me where I said that I agreed to give you my name so you could blacklist me.

[pimpmaster9000]

Yo gideon you "forgot" to post proof and shut everybody up.

We are all waiting to see you squirm and find excuses as to why you have not done this...come on gideon squirm for us...its entertaining watching you squirm

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by kane

Again. Show me where I said that I agreed to give you my name so you could blacklist me.

That the exact point you scum bag

you agreed to be blacklisted

I have never said I wanted to use your techniques. I have never said I wanted to work with you.

and when i asked you for your name so i could clearly prevent you from every using my techniques in any way shape or form you refused give me your name.




If i teach program ABC how to change their tour to convert piracy traffic, if you send 1 hit of traffic to that tour you would be using my techniques(indirectly).


If you don't give my your name your promise that you will never use any of my techniques is worthless and you know it.

It just a way to get something i sell for free,

see that the the point

if you want to me to show you the techniques and have the right to use it you pay for it

If you want it for free you give me your name so i can blacklist you.


See the difference

my offer always has a free option

unlike your 25k offer which has no free option.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Laws stop at political borders notwithstanding international treaties ...

The laws would need to be wider than just the infringing sites. Advertisers, payment processors, etc. Need to be hit. do that the problem shrinks. follow the money.

Advertisers and payment processors might pick up business elsewhere, so shouldn't be something they oppose.

Unless they run piracy sites.

I saw a forum recently that had pirated porn. Domain Whois hidden. No advertising. Payment processing was done in Russia, so ultimately it has to include VISA and MC in who can be held responsible. So it doesn't just all move to Russia.

Originally Posted by gideongallery

and when i asked you for your name so i could clearly prevent you from every using my techniques in any way shape or form you refused give me your name.

If i teach program ABC how to change their tour to convert piracy traffic, if you send 1 hit of traffic to that tour you would be using my techniques(indirectly).

If you don't give my your name your promise that you will never use any of my techniques is worthless and you know it.

It just a way to get something i sell for free,

see that the the point

if you want to me to show you the techniques and have the right to use it you pay for it

If you want it for free you give me your name so i can blacklist you.

See the difference

my offer always has a free option

unlike your 25k offer which has no free option.

You have nothing worth looking at. The one thing we all know is that once it goes up online, it can be copied. Your sure fire way of converting piracy traffic is bullshit.

So here's the deal. I will agree to blacklist myself from using your system to convert piracy traffic at anything approaching a decent ratio. If you convert the traffic like anyone can, then your tool is nothing special.

Don't need you to teach me, just explain it. If it looks like it works I will come back here and promote it in a very good thread.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

if you want to me to show you the techniques and have the right to use it you pay for it

If you want it for free you give me your name so i can blacklist you.

but he will "fair use it" he will just "time shift" it and "format shift" it so there is no damage done to you look at gideon being a 2 face biatch...

gideons technique revealed:

1) Star in the most popular TV Series of ALL TIME like Wil Wheaton and be known by millions
2) Wait for your career to crash...
3) "release blog post/speeches under CC-SA -NC" (what ever the fuck that mans)
4) The reward:
quote: "he talked about gaming, and he got invited to gaming conventions to talk about games"


Man can you guys not see the potential for every single person here??? shiiiiitttt imagine what life would be like if we got invited to a gaming convention LOL screw IP rights and all that billion $$$ shit the action is at "talking about games at gaming conventions"

gideon is a guru....

his "turn pirate traffic in to diamonds" plan is bound to be just as genius its obvious that gideon is a high roller and that the only reason he has not posted proof of his financial success and indeed the sanity of his business model is that he simply cant decide what ferrari to post first...

[Paul Markham]

Again gideongallery show me what you have to convert piracy traffic and I will vouch it exists.

I will sign any form you wish.

[kane]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

That the exact point you scum bag

you agreed to be blacklisted




and when i asked you for your name so i could clearly prevent you from every using my techniques in any way shape or form you refused give me your name.




If i teach program ABC how to change their tour to convert piracy traffic, if you send 1 hit of traffic to that tour you would be using my techniques(indirectly).


If you don't give my your name your promise that you will never use any of my techniques is worthless and you know it.

It just a way to get something i sell for free,

see that the the point

if you want to me to show you the techniques and have the right to use it you pay for it

If you want it for free you give me your name so i can blacklist you.


See the difference

my offer always has a free option

unlike your 25k offer which has no free option.

So once again you make claims you can't back up. You claim I "promised" to let you black list me from your program and now since you can't find proof (because it doesn't exist) you try to spin it around so that by my saying that I have never wanted to use your techniques that this means I am also willing to just hand you my information so you can blacklist me.

You are making yourself look more like a fool than you normally do.

Why are you so desperate for this?

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by kane

So once again you make claims you can't back up. You claim I "promised" to let you black list me from your program and now since you can't find proof (because it doesn't exist) you try to spin it around so that by my saying that I have never wanted to use your techniques that this means I am also willing to just hand you my information so you can blacklist me.

You are making yourself look more like a fool than you normally do.

Why are you so desperate for this?

you just said it again you don't want to use my techniques

but if you send one hit to tour that use my techniques that exactly what you are doing.

so tell me exactly who do i prevent that use of my techniques in that way without blacklisting you.


that the point

You didn't explictly say i could blacklist you

you promised that you would use any of my techniques (3 times in this thread btw)

and when i asked for your name so i could blacklist you from using my techniques you refused to give it to me

Even though you know it the only way i could hold you to your promise that you would never use my techniques.

[kane]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

you just said it again you don't want to use my techniques

but if you send one hit to tour that use my techniques that exactly what you are doing.

so tell me exactly who do i prevent that use of my techniques in that way without blacklisting you.


that the point

You didn't explictly say i could blacklist you

you promised that you would use any of my techniques (3 times in this thread btw)

and when i asked for your name so i could blacklist you from using my techniques you refused to give it to me

Even though you know it the only way i could hold you to your promise that you would never use my techniques.

This is getting ridiculous.

Here is the reality.

So lets say ABC company's owner does hire to you modify their tour so that it as you say can, "convert piracy traffic."

Then let's say I happen to be an affiliate of ABC company.

So I send 1 hit.

I haven't benefited in any way shape or form unless that hit turns into a join which I get paid for. You had nothing to do with my sending that hit.

Now, let's say that hit actually does convert into a join which I get paid for. There is no way of knowing that this join occurred because of the changes you made. You modified the site to covert piracy traffic. I don't send piracy traffic so your changes may have had zero effect on whether or not my hit converted.

Now, let's assume that that my hit converted into a join because of the changes you made so I actually did benefit from your work. Who cares? You did what you were paid to do which is to modify the tour. You shouldn't care if I benefit from it for free. As a matter of fact you should be 100% fine with that. It wasn't too long ago that you created a thread explaining how if you can't compete with free then you really can't compete at all. So you should have no problems with me getting the benefits of your labor for free.

Still, if I were to give you my info how would you blacklist me? Would you ban all the domains I own from ever sending hits to any site you work on. Do you think the owner of ABC Company is going to be happy about that? He hired you to modify a tour, not to blacklist his affiliates from sending him traffic.

By saying I don't want to work with you and won't be using or paying for your services does not equate to me saying you can blacklist me. To be honest, unless the owner of ABC Company tells me, I am never going to know you even worked on the site. So I suppose there is a chance I could inadvertently benefit from your work without knowing it.

Somehow you seem obsessed with getting my personal information which makes me believe you have something sinister up your hands.

The more you post about your obsession with getting my personal information, especially now that you admit I never actually promised to let you blacklist me as you have claimed before, the creepier you start to look.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by kane

Now, let's assume that that my hit converted into a join because of the changes you made so I actually did benefit from your work. Who cares? You did what you were paid to do which is to modify the tour. You shouldn't care if I benefit from it for free. As a matter of fact you should be 100% fine with that. It wasn't too long ago that you created a thread explaining how if you can't compete with free then you really can't compete at all. So you should have no problems with me getting the benefits of your labor for free.

you said you were not going to use my techniques at all (in fact you said it again below)

you made that promise so you could avoid paying my fee.

just because i don't have a problem competing with free (when i have too) doesn't mean i should reward you for NOT keeping your word.

Still, if I were to give you my info how would you blacklist me? Would you ban all the domains I own from ever sending hits to any site you work on. Do you think the owner of ABC Company is going to be happy about that? He hired you to modify a tour, not to blacklist his affiliates from sending him traffic.

simple i would put a clause that voids/penalty clause in the contract if they pay you

you can send them as much traffic as you want, they just can't pay you.

By saying I don't want to work with you and won't be using or paying for your services does not equate to me saying you can blacklist me. To be honest, unless the owner of ABC Company tells me, I am never going to know you even worked on the site. So I suppose there is a chance I could inadvertently benefit from your work without knowing it.

The changes i tell them to make will be instantly evident.

there is no fucking way you would not know.

Somehow you seem obsessed with getting my personal information which makes me believe you have something sinister up your hands.

The more you post about your obsession with getting my personal information, especially now that you admit I never actually promised to let you blacklist me as you have claimed before, the creepier you start to look.

it the same fucking information you give to affiliate programs so they can pay you.



You just explicitly declared you want me to be ok with you using my techniques even thou you promised you would not.

So while your bitching about piracy and free loaders

you basically demanding that i give you stuff for free.

[kane]

Originally Posted by gideongallery

you said you were not going to use my techniques at all (in fact you said it again below)

you made that promise so you could avoid paying my fee.

just because i don't have a problem competing with free (when i have too) doesn't mean i should reward you for NOT keeping your word.






simple i would put a clause that voids/penalty clause in the contract if they pay you

you can send them as much traffic as you want, they just can't pay you.






The changes i tell them to make will be instantly evident.

there is no fucking way you would not know.




it the same fucking information you give to affiliate programs so they can pay you.



You just explicitly declared you want me to be ok with you using my techniques even thou you promised you would not.

So while your bitching about piracy and free loaders

you basically demanding that i give you stuff for free.

Here, let me just finish this for you. I don't know what you obsession with this is, where it came from or why you are stuck on it. It doesn't matter what I say you will just spin it and spin it and spin it and all you do is make yourself look crazier and crazier.

Bottom line: I am not going to give you my personal information. There. It is done. I don't give a fuck about your techniques or you. If an affiliate program I promote decides to hire you I would never know it. I never asked for anything for free and, honestly, I never got anything for free. The program PAID you to do the job they hired you for. They PAID you to modify their tour so that it converts better. I don't get it for free, the company I promote PAID for it.

But all of this is moot and doesn't matter. Take you medicine, relax and move on. I am not going to give you my personal information. . . unless of course you want to pay me $25K

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by kane

Here, let me just finish this for you. I don't know what you obsession with this is, where it came from or why you are stuck on it.

the guy who jumps into every thread i am in to attack me with lies is calling me obsessed

Bottom line: I am not going to give you my personal information. There. It is done. I don't give a fuck about your techniques or you. If an affiliate program I promote decides to hire you I would never know it. I never asked for anything for free and, honestly, I never got anything for free. The program PAID you to do the job they hired you for. They PAID you to modify their tour so that it converts better. I don't get it for free, the company I promote PAID for it.

remember this statement the next time you jump into the thread accusing me of never producing proof WHEN YOU ASKED FOR IT.

Ask yourself how much you PAID for what you asked for.

The realize you didn't get because your a lying scum bag.

But all of this is moot and doesn't matter. Take you medicine, relax and move on. I am not going to give you my personal information. . . unless of course you want to pay me $25K

like i said lying scum bag who can't keep true to his word.

[Paul Markham]

gideongallery I will comply to your wishes of blacklisting and any other wishes you ask. If you will reveal to me your tool or method.

Forget Kane, you 2 are going around in circles. I WILL comply to your rules if you reveal your tool or method to me only. I will then use that information as you wish. Reveal that it exists or not if you wish.