Autism caused by Vaccines? Researcher indicted for FRAUD

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Tons of parents were scared silly in the early 2000s because of research linking childhood vaccines with autism. Looks like the "researcher" who came up with this report is looking at something more serious than egg on his face--he's facing serious JAIL TIME for fraud.
Source: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...for-fraud.aspx

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[Coup]

if vaccines cause autism.. why aren't most people The Rain Man?

[u-Bob]

Well, one of those researchers who's indicted was a PRO-vaccine lobbyist....

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Coup

if vaccines cause autism..

It's not the vaccines that cause autism, it's the preservatives they put in the vaccines.

Before 2000 a lot of big pharma companies used to use Thiomersal (sodium ethylmercurithiosalicylate) (49% mercury) as a preservative for some of their vaccines. In 1999, after rapports from the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics linking the use of Thiomersal to allergies, autism, neurological disorders etc Thiomersal was banned from the American, Canadian and European markets. Most existing stockpiles of vaccines containing Thiomersal were later dumped on the South American market or sold to NGO's who used them in vaccination campaigns in sub-Saharan Africa.

Back in 2009, during the Mexican flu scare, when governments around the world placed huge orders for flu vaccines, Big Pharma needed a way to increase their output. The easiest way to do so was to start using Thiomersal again (because apparently it is easier and cheaper to produce). In July 2009 the Washington Post ran a piece on the use of mercury (Thiomersal ) in the flu vaccines and in 2010 it was revealed that the German government had explicitly ordered vaccines without Thiomersal for use by the armed forces and critical personnel and the cheaper vaccines containing Thiomersal for the general population.

[Dirty Dane]

It's caused by too much porn.

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by Coup

if vaccines cause autism.. why aren't most people The Rain Man?

The key there is probably in the word: "can".

CAN cause....

[Vendzilla]

Didn't know any autistic kids growing up, it's something thats happened since then, because now you see it all the time

[wehateporn]

It's not so much that the vaccine makers don't want to be paying out for vaccine damage, but rather that if they admit the damage their vaccines are causing many more people will refuse them, losing the industry a lot of money. This is why the Pharms have to keep up on going with the fight of trying to cover everything up.

Vaccines are a superstition, notice how there's never any real follow up afterwards to check how people got on after vaccination, if the vaccines really worked. They are like a religions where people are told they have to believe, we are not allowed to question.

Other reasons to keep clear are that every now and then they are used for other purposes.

- In Africa they were used to spread HIV to depopulate the land
- With Swine Flu and HPV they are being used to bring down fertility rates
- In many third world countries UNICEF has used them to sterilize the women under the pretence that the women are just receiving a vaccine.

Vaccines are now a useful tool of the elite; they use them to covertly control the herd.

[96ukssob]

Autism is becoming much more popular, but possibly for 2 reasons

1) increased amount of mercury from vaccines, leaking into water sources from trash (disposable batteries, etc) and into fishing streams, which is high in food like albacore tuna and swordfish.

2) years ago, children with more than mild to severe autism were labeled as mentally retarded, not autistic. ive seen a lot of kids labeled now as autistic and you wouldnt be able to tell the difference.

wouldn't surprise me if there is a good chunk of the population walking around now who is 20 year old + who would be classified under the autism spectrum

[wig]

And sunscreen causes melanoma.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Didn't know any autistic kids growing up, it's something thats happened since then, because now you see it all the time

maybe they were called something different then ?

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Didn't know any autistic kids growing up, it's something thats happened since then, because now you see it all the time

First reported cases are from the 40s.

[_Richard_]

heard something about increased autism rates near highways

[Sly]

What's up with your in-post sig?

[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

heard something about increased autism rates near highways

heard this too a little while ago, but I dont think there is any direct correlation. Link: http://healthland.time.com/2010/12/1...o-autism-risk/

The people who owned the house before I bought it had two kids with Autism. One of the neighborhood kids down the street does to. Randomly one day, I found a build up of soot on the sink and got it tested but nothing came back.

Had another test done by a professional company and found an unusually high rate of magnesium in the water (the drains had a sulfur smell when they weren't used). Maybe there is a correlation?

[Allison]

I think that would be fair if they also prosecuted the makers of the pharmaceuticals that do end up hurting people as fraud too. Or even if they don't hurt people, but are completely unnecessary.

Tell me why in the US they require babies on day 1 or day 2 of their lives to get the HEP C vaccine when it can only be transmitted through sex, blood transfusions or needle sharing, and from a mother who also has HEP C. I had this debate with my child's pediatrician when we opted to not get the vaccine and I won. He tried to claim that maybe I could have HEP C and not know it despite the fact that I had been tested for everything twice during my pregnancy and at that point he finally gave in.

That's just good ole pharmaceutical schmoozing which I think is the equivalent of fraud.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Allison

I think that would be fair if they also prosecuted the makers of the pharmaceuticals that do end up hurting people as fraud too. Or even if they don't hurt people, but are completely unnecessary.

Tell me why in the US they require babies on day 1 or day 2 of their lives to get the HEP C vaccine when it can only be transmitted through sex, blood transfusions or needle sharing, and from a mother who also has HEP C. I had this debate with my child's pediatrician when we opted to not get the vaccine and I won. He tried to claim that maybe I could have HEP C and not know it despite the fact that I had been tested for everything twice during my pregnancy and at that point he finally gave in.

That's just good ole pharmaceutical schmoozing which I think is the equivalent of fraud.

Are you switching pediatricians?

[MediaGuy]

Started looking into vaccines after I saw them push a needle in my child's body... turns out the effectiveness of vaccines is null - on an independent research scale, not judging by what the vaccine companies tell us.

We have to stop this vaccine nonsense or at least get the real story...

:D

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Started looking into vaccines after I saw them push a needle in my child's body... turns out the effectiveness of vaccines is null - on an independent research scale, not judging by what the vaccine companies tell us.

We have to stop this vaccine nonsense or at least get the real story...

:D

And you have found a reliable source for this claim?

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by Allison

I think that would be fair if they also prosecuted the makers of the pharmaceuticals that do end up hurting people as fraud too. Or even if they don't hurt people, but are completely unnecessary.

Tell me why in the US they require babies on day 1 or day 2 of their lives to get the HEP C vaccine when it can only be transmitted through sex, blood transfusions or needle sharing, and from a mother who also has HEP C. I had this debate with my child's pediatrician when we opted to not get the vaccine and I won. He tried to claim that maybe I could have HEP C and not know it despite the fact that I had been tested for everything twice during my pregnancy and at that point he finally gave in.

That's just good ole pharmaceutical schmoozing which I think is the equivalent of fraud.

Everybody has the right to deny vaccines.

Personally, I don't see a reason to not give a vaccine like that.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by bossku69

heard this too a little while ago, but I dont think there is any direct correlation. Link: http://healthland.time.com/2010/12/1...o-autism-risk/

The people who owned the house before I bought it had two kids with Autism. One of the neighborhood kids down the street does to. Randomly one day, I found a build up of soot on the sink and got it tested but nothing came back.

Had another test done by a professional company and found an unusually high rate of magnesium in the water (the drains had a sulfur smell when they weren't used). Maybe there is a correlation?

definitely an interesting 'problem' and concept. I am very curious about the idea 'autism' is more of a difference rather than disorder

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Allison

I think that would be fair if they also prosecuted the makers of the pharmaceuticals that do end up hurting people as fraud too. Or even if they don't hurt people, but are completely unnecessary.

Tell me why in the US they require babies on day 1 or day 2 of their lives to get the HEP C vaccine when it can only be transmitted through sex, blood transfusions or needle sharing, and from a mother who also has HEP C. I had this debate with my child's pediatrician when we opted to not get the vaccine and I won. He tried to claim that maybe I could have HEP C and not know it despite the fact that I had been tested for everything twice during my pregnancy and at that point he finally gave in.

That's just good ole pharmaceutical schmoozing which I think is the equivalent of fraud.

[IllTestYourGirls]

50% of babies born have a trigger in their brain, if stressed, can go off and cause autism. Injecting your child with diseases, poisons and dead fetuses, will naturally increase the chances of that trigger being hit.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by BittieBucks Eric

Everybody has the right to deny vaccines.

Personally, I don't see a reason to not give a vaccine like that.

The reason is once vaccines are eliminated childhood mortaility rates greatly improve.

Japan banned vaccines for under 2's, they then saw cot death almost completely disappear. It was only when the US first made vaccines mandatory for newborns that the US childhood mortality rates turned bad and was no longer similar to that of the other wealthy nations.

Even in my own circle, I have a sister who was killed by a vaccine (hence all my research), a brother-in-law who almost died as a baby after a vaccine. A nextdoor neighbour who is near death due to a vaccine. If that's just in people I know then it gives us an idea of the big picture. Most of it is covered up and the media aren't allowed near it. The Pharms are like the Banks with so much power, control and corruption.

If a vaccine causes an autoimmune disease they like to call it "The Mystery Illness"; nobody knows the cause. Well actually, we do, the majority of autoimmune diseases are from when vaccines go wrong. Anyone who understands how vaccines work will also understand that there's a chance you'll create immunity to something you weren't meant to, such as a substance in the vaccine that is also present inside your own body. For the rest of your life you immune system attacks you. Peanut allergies come from vaccines (peanut oil is used to make vaccines), but they like to pretend that is a bit of a mystery too. Is Israel they use sesame oil in vaccines; the Israeli's don't have peanut allergies, instead they have sesame allergies.

Best advise to those unsure is to research for themselves

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Started looking into vaccines after I saw them push a needle in my child's body... turns out the effectiveness of vaccines is null - on an independent research scale, not judging by what the vaccine companies tell us.

We have to stop this vaccine nonsense or at least get the real story...

:D

The smallpox vaccine sure seemed to work wonders.

Here's a real story :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

After vaccination campaigns throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the WHO certified the eradication of smallpox in 1979.[13] Smallpox is one of the two infectious diseases to have been eradicated, the other being rinderpest, which was unofficially declared eradicated in 2010 (and is expected to be officially declared eradicated in 2011).[14][15][16]

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The reason is once vaccines are eliminated childhood mortaility rates greatly improve.

Japan banned vaccines for under 2's, they then saw cot death almost completely disappear. It was only when the US first made vaccines mandatory for newborns that the US childhood mortality rates turned bad and was no longer similar to that of the other wealthy nations.

Even in my own circle, I have a sister who was killed by a vaccine (hence all my research), a brother-in-law who almost died as a baby after a vaccine. A nextdoor neighbour who is near death due to a vaccine. If that's just in people I know then it gives us an idea of the big picture. Most of it is covered up and the media aren't allowed near it. The Pharms are like the Banks with so much power, control and corruption.

If a vaccine causes an autoimmune disease they like to call it "The Mystery Illness"; nobody knows the cause. Well actually, we do, the majority of autoimmune diseases are from when vaccines go wrong. Anyone who understands how vaccines work will also understand that there's a chance you'll create immunity to something you weren't meant to, such as a substance in the vaccine that is also present inside your own body. For the rest of your life you immune system attacks you. Peanut allergies come from vaccines (peanut oil is used to make vaccines), but they like to pretend that is a bit of a mystery too. Is Israel they use sesame oil in vaccines; the Israeli's don't have peanut allergies, instead they have sesame allergies.

Best advise to those unsure is to research for themselves

I find this interesting:

In the US, peanut allergy usually manifests in the first year of life whereas children in Sweden and Spain usually develop a peanut allergy at age two or older. The study also found that children from the three different countries react to different components of the peanut protein.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

The smallpox vaccine sure seemed to work wonders.

Here's a real story :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

Here is a 'real-er' story
http://cure-guide.com/books/the-vacc...-does-it-work/

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

The smallpox vaccine sure seemed to work wonders.

Here's a real story :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

Don't forget polio. Pretty much eradicated as well. Except for a few African counties who claimed US vaccines were used to make women infertile and stopped them. Straight after, the infectionrate went up.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by BittieBucks Eric

I find this interesting:

Good find BittieBucks Eric, most likely to do with different ages of vaccination and different types of vaccines

[iwantchixx]

Originally Posted by BittieBucks Eric

Everybody has the right to deny vaccines.

Personally, I don't see a reason to not give a vaccine like that.

Semi-correct here. My children are not permitted to attend public school unless certain vaccines have been administered during their development. We can also be arrested and charged for not having our children enrolled in a public school unless proof of acceptable home-schooling has been shown to the NB School Board. I'm not sure about laws anywhere else, though...

Vaccines have proven their effectiveness in many diseases in the past but not so much now. There are vaccines for literally everything now. Our doc tried to push so many unneeded vaccines on our baby and he literally would badger us with each visit to talk us into them. She only got what was required for her to enter public school in her future

[Shey]

Scary, my 3 month old is just going through his vaccines now

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Here is a 'real-er' story
http://cure-guide.com/books/the-vacc...-does-it-work/

I'll read your "real-er" story when they get a "realer" domain name.

Did they pay extra for the cool hyphen?

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Good find BittieBucks Eric, most likely to do with different ages of vaccination and different types of vaccines

Could be, but the article mentions different reactions to different compounds from the *same* protein.

That could indeed be cause by differences in age but it also tells me it could be down to geographical location. For example, lookup the % of people who are lactose intolerant(different from an allergy). Make a map of people who are immune to HIV. You'll find it overlaps with the map of where the plague ravaged centuries ago(which ultimately is down to genetics)

Many times allergies are also linked to the level of consumption of a specific product.
Apparently, in Greece, peanut allergy is pretty much non existant.

In Israel the consumption of sesame is very high.

My point is..it could be that vaccines have an influence on allergies, but that doesn't mean that they don't have effect nor that they should be dismissed that easily.

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

Semi-correct here. My children are not permitted to attend public school unless certain vaccines have been administered during their development. We can also be arrested and charged for not having our children enrolled in a public school unless proof of acceptable home-schooling has been shown to the NB School Board. I'm not sure about laws anywhere else, though...

What if you don't want your kid to have any vaccines because of religious beliefs?
I don't like what you just described and I know that where I'm from it's different.

Vaccines have proven their effectiveness in many diseases in the past but not so much now. There are vaccines for literally everything now. Our doc tried to push so many unneeded vaccines on our baby and he literally would badger us with each visit to talk us into them. She only got what was required for her to enter public school in her future

That's nasty.

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by Shey

Scary, my 3 month old is just going through his vaccines now

That doesn't have to be scary.

[Allison]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

Semi-correct here. My children are not permitted to attend public school unless certain vaccines have been administered during their development. We can also be arrested and charged for not having our children enrolled in a public school unless proof of acceptable home-schooling has been shown to the NB School Board. I'm not sure about laws anywhere else, though...

Vaccines have proven their effectiveness in many diseases in the past but not so much now. There are vaccines for literally everything now. Our doc tried to push so many unneeded vaccines on our baby and he literally would badger us with each visit to talk us into them. She only got what was required for her to enter public school in her future

Yup, and no daycare either if they don't have certain vaccines. I can understand certain ones that have a history and that babies in the US have the potential to get, but now they create vaccines for things that are not life threatening in the US.

Another example, there's a Diarrhea vaccines (it's called something else, but I forget) that they want to give babies under 6 months. This makes sense to me if maybe my kids were exposed to contaminated water, etc on a daily basis, but this does not make sense for most babies in the U.S, especially those being breastfed.

Interesting data about Japan in this thread as well. I know after every vaccination my kids got they did get sick with more than just the slight fever they said it may cause. Often it was diarrhea, loss of appetite, and sluggishness for a good week or even more. Even one set of vaccines my first got was later re-called because that batch was exposed to e-coli.

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by Allison

Yup, and no daycare either if they don't have certain vaccines. I can understand certain ones that have a history and that babies in the US have the potential to get, but now they create vaccines for things that are not life threatening in the US.

Another example, there's a Diarrhea vaccines (it's called something else, but I forget) that they want to give babies under 6 months. This makes sense to me if maybe my kids were exposed to contaminated water, etc on a daily basis, but this does not make sense for most babies in the U.S, especially those being breastfed.

It does make sense. Diarrhea is most often caused by bacteria or virusses. You can transmit them when you're changing diapers. In case of daycare, there's a LOT of kids with diapers so a higher chance of spreading it.

I've never heard of that particular vaccine before and I don't think I'd give it to my kid. Sometimes kids just need to get sick.

-edit- obviously vaccines are only meant for virusses

[Allison]

Originally Posted by BittieBucks Eric

It does make sense. Diarrhea is most often caused by bacteria or virusses. You can transmit them when you're changing diapers. In case of daycare, there's a LOT of kids with diapers so a higher chance of spreading it.

I've never heard of that particular vaccine before and I don't think I'd give it to my kid. Sometimes kids just need to get sick.

-edit- obviously vaccines are only meant for virusses

Rotavirus vaccine.

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...h-by-diarrhea/

Why create a vaccine for a population in which lightening strikes (<62 per year) are a more likely cause of death than rotavirus (<40 per year)?

I like where he points out the patent holders for the vaccine are the ones involved in recommending it.

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by Allison

Rotavirus vaccine.

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...h-by-diarrhea/

Why create a vaccine for a population in which lightening strikes (<62 per year) are a more likely cause of death than rotavirus (<40 per year)?

I like where he points out the patent holders for the vaccine are the ones involved in recommending it.

As you are well aware, the reason is money. I'm just pointing out that it does make sense in a way. It's not completely useless or stupid.

[u-Bob]

Personally, I don't care much about the whole "vaccines-work/vaccines-don't-work" discussion.

What does make me pissed is that some people would make the use of (certain) vaccines mandatory. It's up to each and every individual to decide for themselves how they want to live their lives. No need for some bureaucrat to decide if it's in my best interest to get injected with product X or Y. No need for some politician to reward his Big Pharma friends with huge governments contracts....

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by BittieBucks Eric

Everybody has the right to deny vaccines.

kids can't , neither can parents

A new law just passed in Massachusetts imposes fines of up to $1000 per day and up to a 30 day jail sentence for not obeying authorities during a public health emergency. So if you are instructed to take the swine flu vaccine in Massachusetts and you refuse, you could be facing fines that will bankrupt you and a prison sentence on top of that.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

kids can't , neither can parents

A new law just passed in Massachusetts imposes fines of up to $1000 per day and up to a 30 day jail sentence for not obeying authorities during a public health emergency. So if you are instructed to take the swine flu vaccine in Massachusetts and you refuse, you could be facing fines that will bankrupt you and a prison sentence on top of that.

haha wow

[JamesGw]

I think the perceived rise of autism has more to do with diagnostic criteria than an actual increase in the number of cases. The same can be said for other disorders, including the popular ADD and ADHD. While there might be some external factors contributing to an increase in cases, it's hard to suggestion causation in such a small period of time.

That said, mercury is bad for you no matter how you look at it.

[ShellyCrash]

Something else I've been thinking about, when I was younger there seemed to be alot of EH kids, EH standing for emotionally handicapped. This was also called fetal alcohol syndrome, as it's a side effect of consuming alcohol while pregnant. I used to volunteer with EH kids when I was a a teenager. Now as an adult I don't hear about EH anywhere near as much as I did a little over 10 years ago, but many of the symptoms some "autistic" kids are said to have seem to mirror EH kids.

Autism is real, don't get me wrong, but a HUGE symptom of autism is inability to connect with people / adults- especially their mothers. EH kids are the opposite, they are actually very clingy to maternal figures. The only thing the two really have in common is lack of focus and disturbing lack of empathy. Neither condition seem to grasp emotions or understand what it means to inflict pain on others.

But anyway, more to my point, some of the children I have interracted with recently diagnosed with autism have been very responsive to me, not to other children, but they act similar to the EH kids I used to work with. It makes me wonder if EH / Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is being misdiagnosed and lumped into autism.

[RebelR]

Originally Posted by iwantchixx

Semi-correct here. My children are not permitted to attend public school unless certain vaccines have been administered during their development.

Are you sure about that? I know that's what people say, but after having a discussion about the MMR Vaccine that my son is supposed to receive at 12 months. She relented that they can't keep him out of school, there is a form that we must sign off on, and if there is an outbreak at that school, he will be kept home. This is in Ontario, so maybe it's provincially regulated.

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

50% of babies born have a trigger in their brain, if stressed, can go off and cause autism. Injecting your child with diseases, poisons and dead fetuses, will naturally increase the chances of that trigger being hit.

I've never heard this before, do you have a source?

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by JamesGw

I think the perceived rise of autism has more to do with diagnostic criteria than an actual increase in the number of cases. The same can be said for other disorders, including the popular ADD and ADHD. While there might be some external factors contributing to an increase in cases, it's hard to suggestion causation in such a small period of time.

That said, mercury is bad for you no matter how you look at it.

I fully agree

[BittieBucks Eric]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

kids can't , neither can parents

A new law just passed in Massachusetts imposes fines of up to $1000 per day and up to a 30 day jail sentence for not obeying authorities during a public health emergency. So if you are instructed to take the swine flu vaccine in Massachusetts and you refuse, you could be facing fines that will bankrupt you and a prison sentence on top of that.

In a way that's very retarted. When public health is concerned I believe authorities should be able to have some control. But this is a bit sick.

[cherrylula]

My nephew has autism, and my sister has taken him to all sorts of doctors. From experts to regular pediatricians. She talks, and talks, and asks questions. Numerous specialists.

From what she has concluded from all this educated info she has received is it isn't simply any of the vaccines, it is the COMBINATION of the vaccines, and too many of them at once when the child is too young, or given during illness.

She had some crappy doctor the first year... she was unable to breastfeed and her child had low immunities and went to the doctor several times the first year of his life. She didn't pay attention at the time (her fault she should have) and turns out everytime he was sick and she brought him in this doctor gave him another vaccine, so by the time he was 18 months he had enough vaccines all the way up til 5 years old. I don't have the info in front of me, and turned out the doctor didn't break any laws but the kid was diagnosed with autism at 2 years 9 months old and she is convinced it all started after one years old because that is when the symptoms started, after the vaccines. Who knows.

She's spoken to so many mothers of autistic kids, has several of them as friends now, and that is the popular consensus.

But kids DO need these vaccines. It is not smart to opt out of them all. But I made sure to not give my daughter the MMR along with the Varicella which she hasn't had yet. They always want to give a flu shot too, which I never had in my life til I was in the hospital post delivery. And I had chicken pox (varicella) as a kid, it didn't kill me.

There is a lot of fraud and deception from both sides of this issue. $$$ makes the world go round though, doesn't it.

[WarChild]

I always wonder if people that decide to not get their children vaccinated, against their doctor's advice, take their children to the same doctors if they're sick or injured? When do you trust the Internet over your Doctor's advice? What's the criteria?