Did the US assassinate someone in Pakistan? - GoFuckYourself.com

Rochard · 02-11-2011, 12:22 AM

Here's the quick version of the story, full news article link below.

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AHORE, Pakistan (AP) ? A Pakistani judge on Friday ordered that an American, detained in the shooting deaths of two Pakistanis, remain in custody for 14 more days and also told the government it must clarify whether the man has diplomatic immunity as Washington claims.

The U.S. says the American, a former U.S. Army Special Forces soldier, shot the two Pakistanis in self-defense because they were trying to rob him in the eastern city of Lahore. Washington insists his detention is illegal under international agreements covering diplomats because he was a U.S. Embassy staffer.

There has also been controversy in Pakistan over the fact that Davis was armed. A senior U.S. official has told The Associated Press that Davis was authorized by the United States to carry a weapon, but that it was a "gray area" whether Pakistani law permitted him to do so.

When you send a former US Army Special Forces into another country armed, he's not really part of the diplomatic staff. He's a spy.

Full article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110211/...ained_american

MetaMan · 02-11-2011, 01:09 AM

Wouldnt be surprised I believe the US special forces assassinated Benazir Bhutto also.

They wanted to move Pakistan to a terrorist state over time because they knew she was the voice of democracy.

theking · 02-11-2011, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Here's the quick version of the story, full news article link below.

When you send a former US Army Special Forces into another country armed, he's not really part of the diplomatic staff. He's a spy.

Full article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110211/...ained_american

Basically...outside normal diplomatic duties they are all spies...and in his case it sounds as if he may have been some type of body guard.

theking · 02-11-2011, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

Wouldnt be surprised I believe the US special forces assassinated Benazir Bhutto also.

They wanted to move Pakistan to a terrorist state over time because they knew she was the voice of democracy.

Pigshit.

SmokeyTheBear · 02-11-2011, 01:24 AM

they have drones murdering people daily in pakistan

theking · 02-11-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

they have drones murdering people daily in pakistan

Pigshit.

Kiopa_Matt · 02-11-2011, 09:54 AM

The US has CIA operatives within Pakistan who kill people? Nah, never... couldn't fathom such a thing.

DEA - banned for life · 02-11-2011, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Here's the quick version of the story, full news article link below.

When you send a former US Army Special Forces into another country armed, he's not really part of the diplomatic staff. He's a spy.

Full article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110211/...ained_american

he wasnt there alone.im sure hes assigned there with other troops in some sort of way. If i was there in the military i would def be armed while walking the streets on or off duty

Phoenix · 02-11-2011, 09:55 AM

it sounds like he was being robbed.

they best let him out soon

epitome · 02-11-2011, 09:57 AM

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Pigshit.

pathfinders death: pigshit

_Richard_ · 02-11-2011, 10:07 AM

missing piece here is who he killed

doubt the pakistanis would say much without firm proof that it wasn't a robbery

Harmon · 02-11-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Here's the quick version of the story, full news article link below.

When you send a former US Army Special Forces into another country armed, he's not really part of the diplomatic staff. He's a spy.

Full article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110211/...ained_american

Who cares? Why would you, as an American citizen put yourself on "the radar" with a post on GFY? Regardless of your motives, congratulations.

Rochard · 02-11-2011, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

Basically...outside normal diplomatic duties they are all spies...and in his case it sounds as if he may have been some type of body guard.

Pretty much. I just read a book called "Spy Dust" which pretty much said everyone working in an Embassy worked for the CIA in one form or another. Some are more active than others; Some just quietly report about what they see, and yet others are CIA agents sent over to act strange, get the other side's attention, and keep them distracted while other stuff goes down. Highly amusing, lots of games.

I'm also reading a book right now called Ghost Wars, talking about intelligence efforts by the US in the Middle East. I was stunned to read about how the US embassy in Pakistan was over run by a mob in 1979 - a bit before my time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/4187184.stm

theking · 02-11-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Pretty much. I just read a book called "Spy Dust" which pretty much said everyone working in an Embassy worked for the CIA in one form or another. Some are more active than others; Some just quietly report about what they see, and yet others are CIA agents sent over to act strange, get the other side's attention, and keep them distracted while other stuff goes down. Highly amusing, lots of games.

I'm also reading a book right now called Ghost Wars, talking about intelligence efforts by the US in the Middle East. I was stunned to read about how the US embassy in Pakistan was over run by a mob in 1979 - a bit before my time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/4187184.stm

I had forgotten about that incident. I was attending community college at the time and it was just a few months from the time I enlisted in the Army. You mentioning this has brought back a rush of memories.

12clicks · 02-11-2011, 10:56 AM

The CIA has my full support.
Frankly, they don't kill enough people.

directfiesta · 02-11-2011, 12:02 PM

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Pigshit.

True , they do not kill with drones, they .... liberate .... putting their lives ... in ... motion ....

theking · 02-11-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

True , they do not kill with drones, they .... liberate .... putting their lives ... in ... motion ....

They kill with drones...not murder...and they certainly do not use drones to kill on a daily basis...in Pakistan.

pornguy · 02-11-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Here's the quick version of the story, full news article link below.

When you send a former US Army Special Forces into another country armed, he's not really part of the diplomatic staff. He's a spy.

Full article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110211/...ained_american

Spy maybe assassin no.

marlboroack · 02-11-2011, 03:17 PM

Media can go fuck themselves.

SmokeyTheBear · 02-11-2011, 03:30 PM

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They kill with drones...not murder..

kill on what basis ? trial ? are we at war with pakistan ? who is authorizing these "not-murders-that-appear-exactly-like-murders" ?

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Originally Posted by theking

.and they certainly do not use drones to kill on a daily basis...in Pakistan.

ok every 3 days on avg ( 117 drone attacks in 2010 ) , resulting in on avg about 16 casualties per week = more than 2 kills per day ( 800+ kills in 2010 ).

theking · 02-11-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

kill on what basis ? trial ? are we at war with pakistan ? who is authorizing these "not-murders-that-appear-exactly-like-murders" ?

ok every 3 days on avg ( 117 drone attacks in 2010 ) , resulting in on avg about 16 casualties per week = more than 2 kills per day ( 800+ kills in 2010 ).

Ultimately the President of the U.S. and the President of Pakistan...and they are targeting the Taliban and Al Qaeda...but of course there is...unfortunately...often collateral damage as is common when engaging in combat.

The Taliban government and the Al Qaeda was ousted from Afghanistan...a new government installed...and all they have to do is accept this...stop attacking U.S. and NATO forces as well as the Afghanistan forces and the killing will stop.

Jman · 02-11-2011, 04:01 PM

SmokeyTheBear · 02-11-2011, 04:55 PM

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Ultimately the President of the U.S. and the President of Pakistan...

i have seen no law that says either of those people have the authority to order killings without trials.

We live in america , where people who are accused of something are given a chance to defend themselves in public. We have come to these conclusions to benefit the country , i have seen no reason why we should treat others any different. You don't teach someone how to do something by doing the exact opposite..

JP-pornshooter · 02-11-2011, 04:56 PM

i have been following that story, sounds like the robber robbed "007" and did not get away with it..
Pakistan do not accept usualy diplomatic immunity, they have a self-instituted rule deciding if the individual can be considered a diplomat.

Just Mike · 02-11-2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

Wouldnt be surprised I believe the US special forces assassinated Benazir Bhutto also.

They wanted to move Pakistan to a terrorist state over time because they knew she was the voice of democracy.

WTF? That makes no sense. Besides she was not an agent of democracy... Bhutto and her Hubby were amongst the most corrupt leaders ever to have the office in that country. The Husband (Zidari) the current president was known as "Mr. 10%" for getting bribes for everything in the gov't when Bhutto was running the country.

theking · 02-11-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i have seen no law that says either of those people have the authority to order killings without trials.

We live in america , where people who are accused of something are given a chance to defend themselves in public. We have come to these conclusions to benefit the country , i have seen no reason why we should treat others any different. You don't teach someone how to do something by doing the exact opposite..

Watch and learn.

http://fora.tv/2010/03/25/Legal_Advi...tion_Practices

Chosen · 02-11-2011, 07:21 PM

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DaddyHalbucks · 02-11-2011, 07:43 PM

It happens all the time. Once again, the US has to be a policeman in a lawless country. The alternative is more Bin Ladens.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 02-11-2011, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Pigshit.

Yes, pigshit. It's what America eats for breakfast...

SmokeyTheBear · 02-12-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

Watch and learn.

did you even watch the video ?.. the lawyer admits it ( ff to 6:00 of the video , since you obviously didn't actually watch that far )

"a state that is engaged in armed conflict or war in legitimate self defense, is not required to provide targets or legal process"

we are not in armed conflict with pakistan , not at war with pakistan , and nobody is trying to harm usa from pakistan.

besides the fact you posted a video of the lawyer for the people committing murder. his job is to make his client look innocent even if he is deadpan guilty.

theking · 02-12-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

did you even watch the video ?.. the lawyer admits it ( ff to 6:00 of the video , since you obviously didn't actually watch that far )

"a state that is engaged in armed conflict or war in legitimate self defense, is not required to provide targets or legal process"

we are not in armed conflict with pakistan , not at war with pakistan , and nobody is trying to harm usa from pakistan.

besides the fact you posted a video of the lawyer for the people committing murder. his job is to make his client look innocent even if he is deadpan guilty.

Yes...of course I watched it. Pakistan is our ally in the war on "terror" and the Taliban and Al Qeada reside in Pakistan...cross the border into Afghanistan and attack U.S. forces...Nato forces...Afghanistan forces...and the Afghan people...then withdraw into Pakistan to rest...rearm...retrain...and recruit. This is called "armed conflict"...some call it a war...and it is definitely self defense...under U.S. and International law.

If the Taliban and the Al Qaeda would stop attacking our forces...NATO forces...Afghan forces and the Afghan people we would not be sending drones into Pakistan.

SmokeyTheBear · 02-12-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

Ultimately the President of the U.S. and the President of Pakistan...and they are targeting the Taliban and Al Qaeda...but of course there is...unfortunately...often collateral damage as is common when engaging in combat..

what you are saying in a nutshell is hitler was completely innocent ,he was at war with the jews, because he was at war , he had the right to order killings , just like bush and obama are doing .. ?

SmokeyTheBear · 02-12-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

This is called "armed conflict"...some call it a war...and it is definitely self defense...under U.S. and International law..

lol @ self defense .. by that token they could kill you or anyone , saying "you might attack me"

self defense is when someone is shooting at you and you shoot back. not when you fly in with drones at 3 in the morning while everyone is sleeping and murder them. There are no people there to call it self defense .. what are they actively defending against..? nothing , they are defending the possibility of an attack. i.e. they are killing people based on what "could" happen ..

It isn't self defense under international law , the lawyer may be claiming that but it certainly doesn't fall under the LEGAL definition of self defense, here or in pakistan.

if you are calling midnight drone attacks "self defense" , there is no killing they couldn't classify as "self defense".

If you start killing people because of what "might" happen then it is a never ending circle.

You might kill me, you own a knife , you know how to use it to kill someone, does that give me the justification to kill you ? I have a video of someone that looks like you attacking people that i don't know but are friends of friends, thus you are at war with me and the video clearly shows you have weapons. Either way i need no evidence , just a gut feeling as apparently there is no need for a judicial process like perhaps you proving it isn't you in the video.

According to you i could claim self defense under international law.

Clean_Franck · 02-12-2011, 12:11 PM

I like the arguments until daddyhalbucks comes in. Then he just makes the U.S. sound dumb.

theking · 02-12-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

what you are saying in a nutshell is hitler was completely innocent ,he was at war with the jews, because he was at war , he had the right to order killings , just like bush and obama are doing .. ?

No...that is what you are saying and the analogy is utter pigshit What I am saying is that we the U.S...NATO...the Afghanistan government...and the Pakistan government are in an armed conflict with the Taliban and Al Qaeda...which gives us every right under U.S. and International law to send drones into Pakistan to kill the enemy. Personally I would put real pressure on the Pakistan government to allow a major drive into Pakistan and put an end to the Taliban and Al Qaeda forces there...as the Pakistanian Army has not been able to contain them.

theking · 02-12-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

lol @ self defense .. by that token they could kill you or anyone , saying "you might attack me"

self defense is when someone is shooting at you and you shoot back. not when you fly in with drones at 3 in the morning while everyone is sleeping and murder them. There are no people there to call it self defense .. what are they actively defending against..? nothing , they are defending the possibility of an attack. i.e. they are killing people based on what "could" happen ..

It isn't self defense under international law , the lawyer may be claiming that but it certainly doesn't fall under the LEGAL definition of self defense, here or in pakistan.

if you are calling midnight drone attacks "self defense" , there is no killing they couldn't classify as "self defense".

If you start killing people because of what "might" happen then it is a never ending circle.

You might kill me, you own a knife , you know how to use it to kill someone, does that give me the justification to kill you ? I have a video of someone that looks like you attacking people that i don't know but are friends of friends, thus you are at war with me and the video clearly shows you have weapons. Either way i need no evidence , just a gut feeling as apparently there is no need for a judicial process like perhaps you proving it isn't you in the video.

According to you i could claim self defense under international law.

You are either not very bright or just like trolling...as your "logic" is not logical and your "facts" are opinion only...but either way I will not respond any further.

SmokeyTheBear · 02-12-2011, 01:07 PM

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No...that is what you are saying and the analogy is utter pigshit What I am saying is that we the U.S...NATO...the Afghanistan government...and the Pakistan government are in an armed conflict with the Taliban and Al Qaeda...which gives us every right under U.S. and International law to send drones into Pakistan to kill the enemy.

"taliban" and "al queda" are "groups" , not "states" ,jews are a "group", was hitler not "at war" with the jews ? so its the exact same analogy. Hitler was the leader of germany , he was at war with a group of people called the jews. You are saying under international law he had the legal and moral right to kill as many jews as he could because he declared war on jews and that gave him justification. He also apparently had the right to invade every country he could on the basis he was hunting for jews that were his enemy and might potentially kill him or harm germany.

explain in big boy words what the "utter pigshit" difference is ?

SmokeyTheBear · 02-12-2011, 01:13 PM

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.as your "logic" is not logical

unlogical to you yes because you think killing people with drones while they sleep in mudhuts is "self-defense"

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and your "facts" are opinion only

actually the facts i posted were drone attacks and those came straight from the military statistics .. i suppose the military could be lying to make you look bad on gfy but probably they aren't aware of your gfy posts, hate to break it to you

So either i am right and they are facts, supported by documents , or you are right and the american military purposely altered the numbers and there is a huge conspiracy to discredit you on gfy, so large they have every large media outlet fooled into releasing the same numbers.

directfiesta · 02-12-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

"taliban" and "al queda" are "groups" , not "states" ,jews are a "group", was hitler not "at war" with the jews ? so its the exact same analogy. Hitler was the leader of germany , he was at war with a group of people called the jews. You are saying under international law he had the legal and moral right to kill as many jews as he could because he declared war on jews and that gave him justification. He also apparently had the right to invade every country he could on the basis he was hunting for jews that were his enemy and might potentially kill him or harm germany.

explain in big boy words what the "utter pigshit" difference is ?

Yep, Hitler was at " war " with the jews , but that was wrong...

The USA are at " war " with the muslims, but that is quite OK

Need to analyse that ,,,

Rangermoore · 02-12-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Here's the quick version of the story, full news article link below.

When you send a former US Army Special Forces into another country armed, he's not really part of the diplomatic staff. He's a spy.

I was back & forth to Honduras in 2009-2010 and was armed each and every time. Does that make me a spy. Yes I was under contract from the US Govt.

directfiesta · 02-12-2011, 03:29 PM

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I was back & forth to Honduras in 2009-2010 and was armed each and every time. Does that make me a spy. Yes I was under contract from the US Govt.

No, just an admitted killer...

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RIGHT ON.. !

I would like to see someone come and TRY and take me over things I did to so called
"Innocent" people in iraq or afghanistan, but hey, 99% of those folks can't talk as I allowed them to meet their god..LOL BRING IT BABY...

http://gofuckyourself.com/showpost.p...2&postcount=60

.. and not the only time ... you are a sick fuck .

moeloubani · 02-13-2011, 01:28 AM

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I was back & forth to Honduras in 2009-2010 and was armed each and every time. Does that make me a spy. Yes I was under contract from the US Govt.

LOL Love the 'bring it baby' part of your post that directfiesta quoted. As if the US military, even their best guys, could take on even the scraggliest Taliban or Al Qaeda. Everyone has seen you cowards running when they come!

What you mean to say is 'just stand there, don't shoot back, have no way of defending yourself and let me shoot you from where you can't see me because im too scared, baby'

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