How long do you wait ?

[machineg]

I want to ask GFY'ers how long they think one should wait for their money before bringing it to the board?

the fact is someone out there owes me some cash and doesn't seem like they are gonna pay!.


I am asking basically because I am a nice guy, I really don't wanna do it ... but I WANT MY FUCKING MONEY !

I hope the person reads this and fires up their PAYPAL..

[scorpy]

For me, if the client doesn't pay me once the design is done... First he doesn't get the design, and then i'd throw his name everywhere for people to know he's a bad client. Have no time for that game.

[machineg]

Originally posted by scorpy
For me, if the client doesn't pay me once the design is done... First he doesn't get the design, and then i'd throw his name everywhere for people to know he's a bad client. Have no time for that game.

Yeah .. I always do payment upfront .. but let it slide with another designer .

so basically I cranked out alot of shit for nothing .

fucking blows .. not even a large sum of cash .. but enough that I want it .

[Voodoo]

You are asking the age old question my friend.
Which comes first... The Chicken or the Egg?

Some clients would have you believe that paying post production is always best.

However your situation, is the exact reason that so many designers are going to full payment up front.

I would tend to agree with a client's perspective that post production payment is how it should be done... IF, it were in person, and you had direct contact with them... However, online... It's a different story.

You don't know who is on the other end of that DSL line.

The fact is that the client wants a designer, and are coming to you for service. If they don't like your terms, or want to pay afterward, it is ultimately up to you, but there are some things that you can do to protect yourself if you decide to take a post production payment option...

1. Charge More
2. When the project is complete, screenshot it, and slap a nasty "SAMPLE" graphic over the screenshot, for them to view, make them pay, and then deliver.
3. Make them pay a non-refundable deposit to preview the project, to show "Good Faith" on their part.

and I'm sure there are more ways.

A third option is to go 50/50 with them and require a deposit.

If they insist on paying afterward, and are not willing to pay anything before delivery, or want to make you wait... Just tell them to get it done somewhere else.

Most likely, if they are not willing to pay up front.... there is a reason. Someone once said that they don't pay up front, because the designers are lazy, and won't do the work in a timely manner if they already have the money.

My answer to that is... If you pay up front, and the project isn't delivered, you can get a refund within 30 days usually from the banking institution, by disputing it.

I can't think of 1 good reason for a client to insist on post production payment, unless he/she is trying to get some free work, and if that's the case... you're better off telling them to go somewhere else.

Anyhow, that's some of my views on the subject.

[Luna]

Alway take at least 50% up front, specialy in this bussines.

[machineg]

hehe ... but howlong do you wait till you bring it to the boards..?

I feel bad doing it .. so I want to make sure I waited long enough

[Pornwolf]

Yeah yeah, whatever. Enough with the theories and stuff... let's hear the dirt Maaan!

[pink_in_the_middle]

Originally posted by machineg
how long do you wait till you bring it to the boards..?

Kelly I told you to do it last week.

[LiveDose]

I think you guys (the designers) need to start a blacklist site to out people. This bullshit seems to happen too often.

50% up front at a minimum I agree.

What about some kind of escrow service for higher end work or would that just complicate things....? hmmm

[machineg]

Originally posted by LiveDose
I think you guys (the designers) need to start a blacklist site to out people. This bullshit seems to happen too often.

It is a designer that owes me the cash .. how Ironic

[Voodoo]

How much is owed, if you don't mind me asking?

[machineg]

maybe I should sell the debt ... any takers ...

I am owed $300 plus $75 that shouldve turned into traffic but never did ...

[scorpy]

When was the last time you heard from the person?

[machineg]

last week .. I told the guy I would add the shit to my portfolio ..

no payment yet !

I messaged him a few times with no avail.. yet he postes on this board at the same time


I am going shopping be back shortly

[OneHungLo]

Originally posted by machineg
I messaged him a few times with no avail.. yet he postes on this board at the same time

Expose them

[JFPdude]

expose them the best that can happen is they will pay you quickly

the worst is they won't pay you

if the first happens chances are this thread will die and everybody goes away happy

if not oh well

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by JFPdude
expose them the best that can happen is they will pay you quickly

the worst is they won't pay you

if the first happens chances are this thread will die and everybody goes away happy

if not oh well

Good point.

[Voodoo]

[Mr Pheer]

What type of site is it for? I may be interested if its for like, teens or something similar

[machineg]

Originally posted by MrPheer
What type of site is it for? I may be interested if its for like, teens or something similar

See thats the interesting part.. all the works have been delivered to the client .. not my client ..

the middle man made the cash on this one ...

[Sly_RJ]

Hmm... this sounds all too familiar.

Now I'm interested.

[machineg]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Hmm... this sounds all too familiar.

Now I'm interested.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by machineg

Whoa!

Hey what's your schedule like? Need some galleries...

[machineg]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Whoa!

Hey what's your schedule like? Need some galleries...

154533328

[Nydahl]

don't wait a minute - its always funny to read

[machineg]

See .. heres the thing ,
I want the person to know that even though I am in the total right to do so ... I feel bad doing it .

many of you don't know what a thread like this can do to a business. the fact is , if you go through enough shit , your fucked.... look at tennisace .. hes a great guy I talk to him often but he made some mistakes and fucked a few people and will struggle for his entire carreer for it . and if you look at some peoples credibility , did he fuck as many people as it seems ?
take a look at the whole picture .

Its more of a warning . I want him to know that hes playing with someone . who will do what it takes to get his cash.
even if I aint broke . I want it .

So fucking pay it ..
I see some pretty nice galleries listed in some sponsors "hosted galleries" .. so thousands of people are making fucking money off my work and I havent made a fucking penny .

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE FUCKING PAY UP .

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by machineg
many of you don't know what a thread like this can do to a business. the fact is , if you go through enough shit , your fucked.... look at tennisace .. hes a great guy I talk to him often but he made some mistakes and fucked a few people and will struggle for his entire carreer for it . and if you look at some peoples credibility , did he fuck as many people as it seems ?
take a look at the whole picture .

Nah. I think Tennis Ace would do fine, even still, if he wasn't so damn annoying. He used to message me every couple weeks, until I told him to stop. He would start with small talk, act as if we were friends, and then ask for work.

Know how annoying that is? If you already have a business relationship established, fine, acceptable. But to a complete stranger? I'd have to be crazy to want to buy some work from him...

[[The Leader]]

If he's ignoring you and you can see him posting on boards, he's ripping you off. Out him as soon as that happens for a week or so. The longer you wait the harder it will be to get your cash back, trust me.


P.S. Most of us probably have a pretty good idea who it is anyway.

[Mutt]

machineg you shouldn't feel badly about exposing this guy if you know he is a regular reader/poster on this board and knows that you are talking about him and he's still ducking you.

you've given him a chance to get in touch with you and making whatever arrangement to get you paid and he's being a coward and a thief.

post again that you will give him until midnight to settle with you or you'll have no other choice but to warn other people about him.

[Mutt]

it's LUCL0NLEY isn't it?

[Sly_RJ]

Hopefully you'll take my advice man. Need your money to pay for that ridiculous Spider Man costume.

[machineg]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Hopefully you'll take my advice man. Need your money to pay for that ridiculous Spider Man costume.

LMAO

nah , I bought three of em .. one per kid

and the "nitevision/flashlighthead" mask .. the little brats love it .

like pulling teeth to get them outta their " pyjamas"

I sure, I dont have to say who it is .. I am sure you all know already , but yeah 24 hours and I put all works in my portfolio..
and "out him"

[Voodoo]

I was just checking out your portfolio dude...
What's up with this URL man:
http://www.paysitedesign.com/kelly/l..._ADD_ONE_A_DAY
????????????

"HUNGRY" as in "HUNGRYMAN" of PaysiteDesign.com???

Just curious.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by Voodoo
I was just checking out your portfolio dude...
What's up with this URL man:
http://www.paysitedesign.com/kelly/l..._ADD_ONE_A_DAY
????????????

"HUNGRY" as in "HUNGRYMAN" of PaysiteDesign.com???

Just curious.

Holy shit. Not again!?

[slapass]

I tell you it sucks to be on the other side of this too. You order some work and pay for it then you wait. I guess as a customer I do not mind paying upfront as long as the amounts are smaller and the person has reputation that they want to protect. Just very hard to send off the money and hope something shows up.

As for how long. Do everything to contact them and if nothing comes of it and sounds as if this is weeks old which is much longer then I would wait. Out them and hope it gets results.

[machineg]

So much for 24 hours..

anyway yeah ..
$375 USD owed .
not much but a month later everyone is enjoying the fruits of my labor but me . and thats not cool .

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-


(and YES, I do the gallery designs myself Fetch) ... and can boast at least a 3-6% CTR also !!!

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http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=91006

I feel the need to post in here.

I am the person who did the other 30 galleries for LocalG's GSpotMoney - and I notice Hungryman is back at it again.

Hungryman even boasted to me about doing the galeries himself. At least he assured me he did them.

He took 50% and didnt even pay you. And then claimed your work. He must have deep pockets, because he is ripping off designers and making more than they do from each job.

That job was 600 bones, he pockets 50%.

All that for lying to people to get a job then outsourcing it, bragging about doing the galleries himself, lying on the board to get the job, and then in the end fucks over the designer, yet again.

MachineG, I know youd rather me not post in your thread, but felt, but I felt the need todrop my 2 cents in, he really did fuck you over.

[Sly_RJ]

Cheer up Kelly. You got yourself a new client out of the latest debacle.

[machineg]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I feel the need to post in here.

I am the person who did the other 30 galleries for LocalG's GSpotMoney - and I notice Hungryman is back at it again.

Hungryman even boasted to me about doing the galeries himself. At least he assured me he did them.

He took 50% and didnt even pay you. And then claimed your work. He must have deep pockets, because he is ripping off designers and making more than they do from each job.

That job was 600 bones, he pockets 50%.

All that for lying to people to get a job then outsourcing it, bragging about doing the galleries himself, lying on the board to get the job, and then in the end fucks over the designer, yet again.

MachineG, I know youd rather me not post in your thread, but felt, but I felt the need todrop my 2 cents in, he really did fuck you over.

he made more than %50 if thats the rate you got...
muther FUCKER
I made a fly deal , cranked out 20 of em "rush order in 1 day "
and got fucked in the end ..

[machineg]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Cheer up Kelly. You got yourself a new client out of the latest debacle.

I want to make it perfectly clear this was not my intention ..
I am in NO WAY hurting or doing this to gain work .. latley actually Id like to loose a little .this is solely about gettin my cash ..

given the conversions to CND .. that is $585

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by machineg


I want to make it perfectly clear this was not my intention ..
I am in NO WAY hurting or doing this to gain work .. latley actually Id like to loose a little .this is solely about gettin my cash ..

given the conversions to CND .. that is $585

That isn't what I meant at all.

[cherrylula]

You really should just add your work to your portfolio dude.

Its your work, you have the right to do that. Do it before HM claims them as his work and does his thing to make you look like the bad guy.

Sorry to see you got fucked. Good luck getting paid.

[pink_in_the_middle]

Hungry if you're reading this which I know you're,it's time to pay up. I understand that you're "going through a rough time" but Kelly did work for you and you fucked him over.
You keep telling me that you think of Kelly and I as "good friends" but friends don't fuck friends over.

You want to get your shit together then it's time to grow up and pay your debts.
It's enough that he has to listen to me bitch because he sits burning his eye balls out infront of his computer all day,but then he doesn't even get paid.
Hungry it's $585 CND not all that much , I'm sure you can borrow it from somewhere.

Treat your designers with respect, remember they make you.

Time to fire up your paypal

[greentea]

machineg expose hungryman for the fucking theif he is. You know the ole saying what goes around comes around.

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by greentea
machineg expose hungryman for the fucking theif he is. You know the ole saying what goes around comes around.

yeah and nice guys finish last.

[greentea]

thats the truth.

[pink_in_the_middle]

Come out, come out where ever you are
Hungry, seriously ...you don't want to mess with a woman...TRUST ME

[Fletch XXX]

For the record as well, Local G paid me in minutes of completion. As well as 50% to start.

And no doubt Hungryman was already paid, so he spent the money on something other than paying his designer.

Aside from that, I know local g and have spoken with him many times, and as soon as he sees this, he is going to feel like shit about the whole thing. Sucks for the designer as well as Local G since he thought he was paying Hungryman, not an outsourced hidden designer getting fucked for more than 50%

not cool.

[greentea]

Originally posted by pink_in_the_middle
Come out, come out where ever you are
Hungry, seriously ...you don't want to mess with a woman...TRUST ME

Not for nothing but you should start a new thread addresed to hungryman

a good title for the thread would be, Hungryman your a fucking theif, now pay me my money!

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by greentea

a good title for the thread would be, Hungryman your a fucking theif, now pay me my money!

Or the classic

'Hungryman: Bitch Where's My Scrillah?'