Fully secured iOS streaming... unrippable. Testers required

[borked]

If ipad users could retest please.... iOS stream
cheers

[nation-x]

Android doesn't support m3u8 playlists, however, if you name the playlist simply m3u, the browser can play them.

[borked]

I tried m3u but it won't work on android 1.5 (the only version I could install on vmware fusion)...

[EukerVoorn]

Great what you're doing, content theft really is a horrible thing costing me a lot of money, but anything you display on a video monitor (stills and video) can be captured. In the end if software can't do it people will tap from the signals sent to the LCD screen and record that. It takes one small nerd with electronics knowledge and an iPhone to do that. If people can phish for credit card details using custom electronics they can also build something like that and the chance that someone will still create software for this always remains there. But what you do surely makes ripping very difficult, most people would give up very quickly. But make sure that your legit viewers do get good quality without stuttering or artifacts otherwise there's no point.

And are you in France? If yes, me too, and I have a question for you then, pls mail to euker at almostthelastpage org

[borked]

Thanks EukerVoorn and to everyone that tested.

The iOS stream is finally locked down solid to only iDevices. Thanks for all your help and those clicking on the iOS stream from various iDevices - the logs certainly helped me a lot.

If anyone with a non-jailbroken iPad could hit the iOS stream, I'd very much appreciate seeing if you can stream. This is the only iDevice I haven't tested with since the last few modifications made and I want to make sure it doesn't lock the iPad out...

Jailbroken iPads and iPhones using some 3rd party browser will probably not work.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Commendable effort.

If this concept makes videos impossible to download with common browser plug-ins then 90% of the content theft will go away.

That would be a major improvement in many ways ...

[Solace]

Porno jew is very rippable

[borked]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Commendable effort.

If this concept makes videos impossible to download with common browser plug-ins then 90% of the content theft will go away.

That would be a major improvement in many ways ...

Thanks Barry for the kind words - on that streaming page is a culmination of a lot of hard work to make flash-streaming secure (what you see on non-iOS) and iOS HTML5 streaming secure.
I would go so far as to say the iOS streams are actually *more* secure than the flash streams, because they cannot be ripped by screen rippers due to the iOS platform. It really is very secure.

The flash stream identifies screen rippers by injecting user-identifiable information to identify the screen ripper. NB: the iOS test page in this thread uses flash vars to tell the player when/what to inject. This is purely for my testing, and the players I now deploy have that embedded within them to prevent tampering with flashvars.

There are a few more sprinklings of smarties to add on to make it even that bit more impossible to crack that I can add for live deployment, but this is (I think) as good as it gets - exactly what you say: make it the most damn difficult to rip to level the playing field against the pirates.

It's about god damn time this industry stopped playing catchup and take the lead. And you know what, it was a phrase like that a couple of years ago on this board (by whom I don't know), that said something like "at one point the mainstream looked to adult for ideas, now we are just a joke" that made me sit up and figure out how to deal with this piracy issue. fwiw, I am not doing this for financial gain.

HTML5 is going to be the way forward for sure, but as it stands, only Apple has implemented its own standard and locked it into its engine, meaning others (ie what I did here) to lock their standard (no-piracy) into their engine. Kudos to Apple for that. Until other OS' do the same, HTML5 will be an insecure method of streaming.

Finally, there is not a single browser plugin out there that can rip the streams I implement on the sites of my clients... And there is not a single off-the-shelf ripper out there (beside screen rippers) that can do the same. Of that, I'm sure.

[borked]

Originally Posted by Solace

Porno jew is very rippable

???
What has that got to do with the price of eggs?

[mafia_man]

Originally Posted by borked

???
What has that got to do with the price of eggs?

It's a bot. Just ignore it.

[EukerVoorn]

Borked, I like what you're doing and I like your view on things even more.

[Radik]

I don't really get this? are you assuming the devices are not jailbroken? or you assuming they don't have $30 hd capture card with a $5 passthru adapter? You can't protect video it's just not possible, it will be ripped. If i can hack apart netflix to stream in korea I can hack your stream even if it meant pulling the key from the jailbroken device.

Bump for a good cause indeed.. I seriously think it's impossible. That said we have a pure video site coming with hd content and any protection is something.

Sell it if it works!

[Radik]

Was hoping this thread would take off.. Intrested in this I am.
We have access to apple tv as part of a project we do; all devices really.

Obviously can't spend much time but if your in a pinch we can try some urls for you.

[borked]

Radik,
Like I said earlier, nothing is impossible. Nobody believes anything on-line is 100% secure and if they do, they are a fool.
The idea here is to take the advantage back. These methods will stop the *huge* *vast* majority of the pirates. And by injecting identifiable info into the stream will then identify them.

The AppleTV was demonstrated earlier in the thread to work, which is great. When combined with the auto-detection of bandwidth you can then stream the highest quality vid to the iOS as for the apple tv, the device will be on wifi.

However, please test the stream on an iPad please. And if you are game to hack the stream and put the resulting vid online, then my logs will prove invaluable to me.

[borked]

Originally Posted by Radik

If i can hack apart netflix to stream in korea I can hack your stream even if it meant pulling the key from the jailbroken device.

btw, that isn't ripping the stream, that's decrypting the video chunks from the jailbroken device's memory, which is hacking. And for 1 chunk for 10 seconds, there's a lot of chunks to decrypt, and with each chunk having its own key, that's a painful process....

like I said, make it a very difficult process and you've taken back control of the game.

[borked]

tried and tested and ready for the wild!