From the MPA3 team to all of you

[garry]

The last 6 months I have seen crasy things on this board. Just the last day it has been two very long post about mpa3 and nats. This is my reply to this.

Now this is getting ridiculous. I have stood on the side line here while NATS have done their aggressive marketing and even called up our customers to talk shit about us and tried to take them away from us. I have also stood on the side line when I have watched the NATS people go on the boards to trash my company just to try to get a few webmasters against us and to possible win a few more clients.

But its time to start the fight back. I will not just sit around any longer and take this.

Personally I don't mind having competitors. The internet is more then big enough for us all. The better the competition is the better it is for the clients. The quality of the products get better and we all work our out hardest to try to be the best. But a business model where you talk shit about the other companies is not something that I personally feel is any good! If you guys want to work with a company that are willing to walk over dead bodies just to win a client then that is your business.

When it comes to the opportunity to shave or not - Why in gods name blame the company that wrote that in to the script. It is YOU the webmasters that have created the need for having such a thing! You are the ones that are always sending your traffic to the company that offers the most per signups. And the only way to pay anyone $100 per signups is to be able to adjust the stats.

You can shave with what ever program you use. No matter what anyone else tell you it is very easy to adjust the stats as long as you sit on the database of the program your self. Try rather to choose witch companies you do business with.

Now we have learned our lesson and have corrected our self.

If you do not choose the company that makes you the most money then that is your issue. Luckily there are a lot of smart webmasters out there so this isn't really a big issue for the mpa2/3 owners.

It?s like not buying a Toyota because people have crashed with it and died. Or it can break the speed limits. It is really not the company who built the cars fault now is it?

The funny part here is that some of the worse webmasters in this business, who do everything in their power to make the most money they can use every trick in the book to cheat the program owners are the once that are shouting the loudest here.

Now we have been in this business the longest. We have constantly worked with our customers to improve the program and added features that help the webmasters promoting them. The program works great but of course not totally free for little issues. THAT is something that is common for all scripts. Especially scripts that are depending on third-party suppliers.

And yes, we to have had people choosing MPA3 over Nats. We to hear that there are and have been issues with nats. But do we choose to go on the board and post about it OR call their customers and tell them to come to us instead and bad talk them? NO!

We have been quiet for the last six months now simply because we have had more then enough to do with all the upgrades from mpa2 to mpa3 and the new installs. And we also wanted the new mpa3 program to be the best that it could be. But now those times are over, now we will get back to business again and start our little marketing campaign.

Yes we did a bad choice when we gave after for adding the module and for that we are sorry, but we have learned and we have paid our price.

Now must the one who have never done anything wrong please throw the first stone.

[candyflip]

Hey...you're the guys who added a shave feature to your software.

We've seen plenty of people switch from your tainted program to NATS. Can you show us one who's gone the other way?

I can't even think of one program running MPA3 off of the top of my head.

[Doctor Dre]

Why in gods name blame the company that wrote that in to the script. It is YOU the webmasters that have created the need for having such a thing! You are the ones that are always sending your traffic to the company that offers the most per signups. And the only way to pay anyone $100 per signups is to be able to adjust the stats.

[Doctor Dre]

You guys make it look even worse .

as I said in the other thread, you fucked up big time, and I'm NEVER gonna put my trust again in a program that use MPA .

This isn't a small fuckup . And on TOP of that you got the balls to blame US ?

If a program owner promese you 100 $ a signup instead of 30, will you take it ? off course .

You exploited this and turned it to your advantage .

But guess what, it just turned arround and there is no way you guys will have the trust of webmasters again

[forward]

now that's a funny fuckin post

nats > mpa3

[candyflip]

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
You guys make it look even worse .

as I said in the other thread, you fucked up big time, and I'm NEVER gonna put my trust again in a program that use MPA .

This isn't a small fuckup . And on TOP of that you got the balls to blame US ?

If a program owner promese you 100 $ a signup instead of 30, will you take it ? off course .

You exploited this and turned it to your advantage .

But guess what, it just turned arround and there is no way you guys will have the trust of webmasters again

Some suckers will. Oystein is cool. People love cool people.

[doober]

Im just here for the drama

[candyflip]

Originally posted by garry
we have paid our price.

From the looks of the way this thread is starting...you sure have.

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by garry
When it comes to the opportunity to shave or not - Why in gods name blame the company that wrote that in to the script. It is YOU the webmasters that have created the need for having such a thing! You are the ones that are always sending your traffic to the company that offers the most per signups. And the only way to pay anyone $100 per signups is to be able to adjust the stats.

If this is seriously the mentality you have about webmasters, here's a real shocker for you. Webmasters are the ones who make the demands to the program owners on what they want to see. If I knew a program had the ABILITY to shave by simply enabling a switch, I wouldn't even think about using it. At the very least, NATS doesn't make it so easy to shave webmasters and that provides an extra layer of safety if you ask me. But what do I know, I'm just a webmaster who's demanded too much over the years for my opinion to matter.

WG

[Doctor Dre]

I care less if Nats is better then MPA 3. I'm just never gonna use any program that use them ... that's it . I rather loose 10 % of my icome then give it to somebody that helped somebody shave me before.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by WiredGuy
If this is seriously the mentality you have about webmasters, here's a real shocker for you. Webmasters are the ones who make the demands to the program owners on what they want to see. If I knew a program had the ABILITY to shave by simply enabling a switch, I wouldn't even think about using it. At the very least, NATS doesn't make it so easy to shave webmasters and that provides an extra layer of safety if you ask me. But what do I know, I'm just a webmaster who's demanded too much over the years for my opinion to matter.

WG

[candyflip]

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
I care less if Nats is better then MPA 3. I'm just never gonna use any program that use them ... that's it . I rather loose 10 % of my icome then give it to somebody that helped somebody shave me before.

B-I-N-G-O

[TMM_John]

This is a copy of my reply to your (same) post in the other thread:

We have not bashed your company. We have only pointed out things that are fact when they come up on the boards. You are the ones who built a theft feature into your software, not us.

We do not solict your customers, they come to us. They do so becuase your software was having performance issues. Or having support issues. Or having issues with all of the data not making it in to the system.

We have moved a number of people from both MPA2 and 3 to NATS. I am not aware of one customer ever leaving NATS yet for any software. Yours or not.

MPA2 may have been around longer than NATS, but that doesn't mean much. Both myself and my partners have been in the online adult business since 1996. One of my partner has been in the adult business for over 25 years. We're not the new kids no the block.

We are never looking to bash your company we are only looking to offer people a better solution. We never paint you in an untrue light. We have NEVER made things up about your company or mislead people like Oystein did when he claimed to a potential client we had "hidden fees". This is bad business. What we do is point the truth. I don't expect good business tho from someone who builds fraud features into affiliate software. It's to be expected I guess.

I don't know what you mean by mpa2/3 making the program owner more money. I'd really like to know how you claim this? I hope it's not a reference to the shave feature which you seem to think is the fault of the affiliate not the fault of the program owner or yourself for building it into the software.

There is a reason the biggest companies in adult choose NATS and not Mansion. It's called integrity.

[Doctor Dre]

http://www.mansionproductions.com/mpa3/

click on testimonials

[candyflip]

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
There is a reason the biggest companies in adult choose NATS and not Mansion. It's called integrity.

What about us lowly little program who are considering your software as well?

[TMM_John]

Also Garry, you might want to note while you are accusing me of attacking you in another thread that I did not mention you at ALL until I was directly asked about you. We do NOT attack you. As I said....

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=399261&s=

[candyflip]

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
http://www.mansionproductions.com/mpa3/

click on testimonials

Hey...we've all got time to "CHECK BACK LATER".

[candyflip]

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Also Garry, you might want to note while you are accusing me of attacking you in another thread that I did not mention you at ALL until I was directly asked about you. We do NOT attack you. As I said....

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=399261&s=

Hey John...don't sweat it man. Their ship is going down and they're just trying to cling to whatever they can grab.

Everyone here can read between the lines.

[TMM_John]

Originally posted by candyflip
What about us lowly little program who are considering your software as well?

No problem at all. That is why we have the $150 per month option. We're here to provide the same, best software to everyone from the smallest upstart to the largest established company.

[body]

I need the link to NATS

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Also Garry, you might want to note while you are accusing me of attacking you in another thread that I did not mention you at ALL until I was directly asked about you. We do NOT attack you. As I said....

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=399261&s=

No need too, they already shot themselves in the foot with the shave feature

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by body
I need the link to NATS

http://www.toomuchmedia.com/nats

[TMM_John]

Originally posted by body
I need the link to NATS

http://www.toomuchmedia.com/nats

[fedfest]

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
http://www.mansionproductions.com/mpa3/

click on testimonials

*LOL*

[tical]

Jesus people, software is software... it does exactly what the owner tells it OR MANIPULATES it to do.

All it takes is ownership of the database and a little research that any intermediate programmer could do to code an independant script to produce misleading stats in either MPA3 or NATS.

You know, the "extra security" you guys think you have when using a particular piece of software is a double edged sword.

There are crooks in this industry that use that "extra security" to their advantage and whether you like to admit it or not, I'll be damned if some of you shitbricks who think you're safe aren't being shaved right now.

Think about it, if you were a crooked webmaster looking for affiliates and could write your own shave feature outside of Too Much Media or Mansion... would you do it for MPA3 or NATS?

[garry]

Originally posted by WiredGuy
If this is seriously the mentality you have about webmasters, here's a real shocker for you. Webmasters are the ones who make the demands to the program owners on what they want to see. If I knew a program had the ABILITY to shave by simply enabling a switch, I wouldn't even think about using it. At the very least, NATS doesn't make it so easy to shave webmasters and that provides an extra layer of safety if you ask me. But what do I know, I'm just a webmaster who's demanded too much over the years for my opinion to matter.

WG

What mentallity ? You know to that this is only the facts. Now I didnt blame the webmasters directly for this. That would be like blaming us for adding it.

But this is two and a half years ago now. Im pretty sure that we are not the only company in this business that have done something stupid. And if you do not want to work with the best companies in this industry simply because they are using a script that we built, then its your loss.

[sean416]

wow - you guys are really teaming up on MPA3. So they added a shave feature, it was what their customers wanted. They realize they fucked up and came out with the new version. now theres some competition and in the end there will be a great product for both parties. No need to claim they're going out of business over something like this. *** has plenty of webmasters promoting them and lots of support.

[garry]

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
This is a copy of my reply to your (same) post in the other thread:

We have not bashed your company. We have only pointed out things that are fact when they come up on the boards. You are the ones who built a theft feature into your software, not us.

We do not solict your customers, they come to us. They do so becuase your software was having performance issues. Or having support issues. Or having issues with all of the data not making it in to the system.

We have moved a number of people from both MPA2 and 3 to NATS. I am not aware of one customer ever leaving NATS yet for any software. Yours or not.

MPA2 may have been around longer than NATS, but that doesn't mean much. Both myself and my partners have been in the online adult business since 1996. One of my partner has been in the adult business for over 25 years. We're not the new kids no the block.

We are never looking to bash your company we are only looking to offer people a better solution. We never paint you in an untrue light. We have NEVER made things up about your company or mislead people like Oystein did when he claimed to a potential client we had "hidden fees". This is bad business. What we do is point the truth. I don't expect good business tho from someone who builds fraud features into affiliate software. It's to be expected I guess.

I don't know what you mean by mpa2/3 making the program owner more money. I'd really like to know how you claim this? I hope it's not a reference to the shave feature which you seem to think is the fault of the affiliate not the fault of the program owner or yourself for building it into the software.

There is a reason the biggest companies in adult choose NATS and not Mansion. It's called integrity.

You guys use every opertunity you have to bash our company. You do not need to be much on GFY to see the way you guys do business. But this is your choose and not mine.

And you have and are calling up our customers. I have clients comming to me telling them about the phone calls they get from you guys. I didnt belive it the first time I heard it, but when it was several of them saying the same thing then I didnt have any other choose.

And yes, both me and oystein have been in this business since 1996 as well. So the point of your statement is ? What I was talking about was the experience we had when it came to building and manage an script like this.

By stating that the mpa3 program makes the webmasters more money we mean that we have real cascading, that works like a real cascading software should do. In other words, the clients dont have to fill out all the info several times if their CC is declined.

And please about the biggest programs using nats and not mpa3. Now that is rubbish and you know it!

[garry]

Originally posted by candyflip
Hey John...don't sweat it man. Their ship is going down and they're just trying to cling to whatever they can grab.

Everyone here can read between the lines.

What in gods name would this mean ? Are our ship sinking simply because we decided that enough where enough ?

Let me tell you something about mansion. We have been around since 1996 and MPA3 is only a small part of our company. We have many clients using mpa3, and still alot are using mpa2. Some of the biggest programs out there are using mpa2 and they dont want to change because they are totally happy with the program. The adult world is not only about the GFY board you know. Even though some webmasters think that by staying here they will make the most money.

[peter_mansion]

IT HAS CLICKTRUTH(http://clicktruth.com/) INTEGRATED - no other software gives you such antishhaving gurantee... Instead of just saying "MPA3 does not shave" we decided to prove it with that integration......

WHO ELSE HAS SUCH FEATURE ?

[TMM_John]

Why don't we continue this in one thread instead of three: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=399261&s=

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by garry
What mentallity ? You know to that this is only the facts. Now I didnt blame the webmasters directly for this. That would be like blaming us for adding it.

But this is two and a half years ago now. Im pretty sure that we are not the only company in this business that have done something stupid. And if you do not want to work with the best companies in this industry simply because they are using a script that we built, then its your loss.

Actually people in the business that ruin the thing they need the most (webmaster trust in your case), rarely get it back

[Ice]

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Actually people in the business that ruin the thing they need the most (webmaster trust in your case), rarely get it back

Exactly.... see if pibcash every bounces back

[TheFrog]

it was the programs choice if they used the feature or not, remember that too

[Jace]

doesn't cjbucks use MPA software?

and I am sure if someone here would dig out the old thread titled "i will do anything to get your business" you will find a lot of these people saying they won't promote any program that has MPA, promoting cjbucks

fact is, people around here just talk shit and don't want to be labeled the traitor, or god forbid sheep, so they say what the general public wants to hear...that is fact

[XxXotic]

day late and a dollar short. sad how you try to justify the shave. it's quite pathetic actually.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by TheFrog
it was the programs choice if they used the feature or not, remember that too

And ? they still gave help to small programs that could never have done it

[Crypt]

Originally posted by WiredGuy
http://www.toomuchmedia.com/nats

[XxXotic]

Originally posted by TheFrog
it was the programs choice if they used the feature or not, remember that too

ever heard of being an accessory to the crime? should have never been offered to begin with. period

[OY]

We had our second best MPA (any version) 3 sales month last month ever. Webmasters go for the quality of the program, the vast array of features, payment platforms and the fact that we have been around as the most recognised affiliate program software in our industry and beyond.

[webair]

Originally posted by candyflip
Hey...you're the guys who added a shave feature to your software.

We've seen plenty of people switch from your tainted program to NATS. Can you show us one who's gone the other way?

I can't even think of one program running MPA3 off of the top of my head.

i believe he said they REMOVED the shave feature, not ADDED it =)

Hey MPA3 is a great program you have to give credit where credit is do people. Not to mention Garry is a standup guy and his been in the industry for a long time.

[Jace]

wanna see who is promoting mpa via cjbucks?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=207992

now, everyone go see if these people that said they aren't promoting mpa or any program that has mpa, are in fact doing so

[TMM_John]

Originally posted by Oystein
We had our second best MPA (any version) 3 sales month last month ever. Webmasters go for the quality of the program, the vast array of features, payment platforms and the fact that we have been around as the most recognised affiliate program software in our industry and beyond.

Like I said on the phone the other day. We will be making our client list more than public. We have no fear of doing so. You run around quoting these "secret" progarms that use your software. If you are so confident in your software why not make your client's public so that affiliates can go and join them becuase they run MPA? Why do you feel the need to keep everything 100% secret as to who is using your software?

Again, ours will be very public very soon. I'd love to see you guys do the same.

[s9ann0]

>> And the only way to pay anyone $100 per signups is to be able to adjust the stats.

fuck you, you got caught out don't try and blame it on the webmasters

[peter_mansion]

Originally posted by PBucksJohn


Again, ours will be very public very soon. I'd love to see you guys do the same.

I have heard that for 6 months ....
That 'soon' has never come....

You slow at typing ?

[garry]

Originally posted by PBucksJohn
Like I said on the phone the other day. We will be making our client list more than public. We have no fear of doing so. You run around quoting these "secret" progarms that use your software. If you are so confident in your software why not make your client's public so that affiliates can go and join them becuase they run MPA? Why do you feel the need to keep everything 100% secret as to who is using your software?

Again, ours will be very public very soon. I'd love to see you guys do the same.

We would be very happy to post our client list if it wasnt for some one calling them up all the time to try to get them to move over to another back end program

[TMM_John]

Originally posted by peter_mansion
I have heard that for 6 months ....
That 'soon' has never come....

You slow at typing ?

You're awfully rude for someone who works for a company who accuses others of attacking them.

You haven't been hearing it for 6 months. It'll be released before the show

[mind]

Lets get ready to ruuuuuuuuuuuuumble.... plug in you rumble pack and be in the action



ok so i'm bored tonight lol

[TMM_John]

Originally posted by garry
We would be very happy to post our client list if it wasnt for some one calling them up all the time to try to get them to move over to another back end program

Yeah, I'm sure thats why you don't want to make it public. You could do the same to us, we have no worry of it.

Also, I'd like to know what clients of yours we have called and solicited?

[Crypt]

Originally posted by garry
We would be very happy to post our client list if it wasnt for some one calling them up all the time to try to get them to move over to another back end program

They dont want this list public , because they will lose a tons of affiliates , give us the real reason ;)