Fetish Wealth Doesn't Want To Pay Me Cause I Didn't Reach the Min

[Google Expert]

OP should be banned for being a fuckwad.

[Got Domains?]

OP should be banned for being a fuckwad.

[Klen]

This is the only perspective I can get behind. If I were FetishWealth, I'd say that this thread cost them $70 and be done with it. The potential business damage is much more than $70 anyway, from people unconsciously associating the word "scam" with the program. In any other (non-dysfunctional) industry, threads like this would regularly be met with lawyers writing nasty letters. The stupid shit people get away with saying here frankly amazes me.

SInce you mentioned now real world,it just show how absurd are those people saying how there is no point to waste time with small amounts.Since i real world,if you owe just one penny to let say your electricity company,or internet company,or telephone company,you can bet they will send collecting agency after you and in the end you gonna pay much more then what you actually owed.
I even had such experience-for a debt of 50$ i ended paying 300$.

[Far-L]

SInce you mentioned now real world,it just show how absurd are those people saying how there is no point to waste time with small amounts.Since i real world,if you owe just one penny to let say your electricity company,or internet company,or telephone company,you can bet they will send collecting agency after you and in the end you gonna pay much more then what you actually owed.
I even had such experience-for a debt of 50$ i ended paying 300$.

Agree, in "the real world" I have received checks for ten cents before.

When you owe, you owe. That is all there is to it.

The principle of paying what you owe far outweighs the principle of minimum payouts. One is a matter of ethics and the other a matter of administrative convenience.

Programs could literally use terminating accounts and not paying as a way to collect thousands per year.

[edgeprod]

SInce you mentioned now real world,it just show how absurd are those people saying how there is no point to waste time with small amounts.Since i real world,if you owe just one penny to let say your electricity company,or internet company,or telephone company,you can bet they will send collecting agency after you and in the end you gonna pay much more then what you actually owed.
I even had such experience-for a debt of 50$ i ended paying 300$.

My contention isn't that he shouldn't have been paid when he closed the account, but that the way he handled it would make me feel fine about him forfeiting any right to the money now, as compensation for being an asshat.

[Naughty-Pages]

OP should be banned for being a fuckwad.

you seem so creepy that i actually feel dirty now....

[Dankasaur]

This is the only perspective I can get behind. If I were FetishWealth, I'd say that this thread cost them $70 and be done with it. The potential business damage is much more than $70 anyway, from people unconsciously associating the word "scam" with the program. In any other (non-dysfunctional) industry, threads like this would regularly be met with lawyers writing nasty letters. The stupid shit people get away with saying here frankly amazes me.

I normally am 100% inline with you on things, but this I do not agree with at all.. You owe someone money be it $1 or $1,000. Pay up.

[Far-L]

There is the taint of bro-ism weaving its slippery stink through this thread like a fart in a crowded elevator that won't stop for the next twenty floors.

The OP made it clear he tried to deal with this before coming to the boards. The amount of money is not relevant. You guys are defending the right to keep money that someone else earned and should be paid. Would you feel the same if you were in his shoes?

If you are going to retain or charge funds accrued for any reason upon termination of an affiliate relationship then there is a fiduciary responsibility to be up front about that.

[NinjaSteve]

What do you think a large mainstream company would do such as Google or Amazon if the minimum payouts weren't met and somebody asked to close the account? That's all I could think of, but their minimum payouts are really low.

[Markul]

What do you think a large mainstream company would do such as Google or Amazon if the minimum payouts weren't met and somebody asked to close the account? That's all I could think of, but their minimum payouts are really low.

[CaptainHowdy]

[adendreams]

There is the taint of bro-ism weaving its slippery stink through this thread like a fart in a crowded elevator that won't stop for the next twenty floors.

The OP made it clear he tried to deal with this before coming to the boards. The amount of money is not relevant. You guys are defending the right to keep money that someone else earned and should be paid. Would you feel the same if you were in his shoes?

If you are going to retain or charge funds accrued for any reason upon termination of an affiliate relationship then there is a fiduciary responsibility to be up front about that.

He called FW Scammers in the title of this thread. A scammer is someone who sets up a scam from the outset to steal money from someone. FW has terms and conditions that are nearly identical to every other program out there, yes I agree FW should have paid him rather than let this thread carry on... But honestly I would probably not pay the fuckwad who post an outrageous, damaging and false label about my company either.

Fuck em FW - I say dont pay him unless he creates a retraction thread apologizing for the libelous scammer thread.

[fetishwealth]

There is the taint of bro-ism weaving its slippery stink through this thread like a fart in a crowded elevator that won't stop for the next twenty floors.

The OP made it clear he tried to deal with this before coming to the boards. The amount of money is not relevant. You guys are defending the right to keep money that someone else earned and should be paid. Would you feel the same if you were in his shoes?

If you are going to retain or charge funds accrued for any reason upon termination of an affiliate relationship then there is a fiduciary responsibility to be up front about that.

Why does everyone simply assume that hes accurate when he says he had contacted us for a year before this. Why dont you try our support sometime.

He was at 68$ and even says he had active rebills and some links up sooooo if i were in his shoes i would have met the minimum i had selected on signup to then been paid wo/ incident. end of story.

or he can come here and make a falsely titled thread (so much so the admins had to change it) with false statements like we dont anwser support to drum up drama and force us into paying immediately.

[pclit]

Call me names or whatever you want.
Emails source codes for what I have sent to FW.

****** are my personal details

Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:05:56 +0200
From: "******@gmail.com" <******@gmail.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: [email protected]
Subject: account termination
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi there.
I would like to terminate my fetish wealth account.
******@gmail.com
******
******
******
******

there is still some over $60 dollars there so I would like to have that
paid into my paxum account: ******@gmail.com
regards
*** / ***

Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:28:29 +0100
From: "******[email protected]" <******@gmail.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: [email protected]
Subject: Closing my account with fetish wealth network
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi guys. I hope that this time it will be resolved.
I want to close my account with Fetish Wealth, my email is
******@gmail.com,
****** ******, my paxum id is as system shows; ******@gmail.com, there
is some money left around 67 dollars.

Please respond in time.
My regards
******

Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 18:03:52 +0100
From: "******@gmail.com" <******@gmail.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130620 Thunderbird/17.0.7
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: [email protected]
Subject: affiliate account closing
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

To Fetish Wealth support.
******
Last Name:******
Email:******@gmail.com
ICQ:0
AIM:
MSN:
Accept E-mails:Yes
Company:******
URL:******
Address1:******
Address2:
City:******
State:******
Zip:******
Country:******
Phone:
Tax ID/SSN:
I wish no longer promote you program and I would like to close my
account with you.
Remaining balance please put into my paxum account which is
******@gmail.com
Regards
******

and ICQ history conversataion with FW icq contact

pc 4/25/2012 11:16 PM

question from affiliate
fetish wealth 4/25/2012 11:16 PM

hey whats up
fetish wealth 4/25/2012 11:17 PM

?
fetish wealth 4/25/2012 11:18 PM

i kinda need to run
pc 4/25/2012 11:18 PM

quick q
pc 4/25/2012 11:18 PM

I have 68 dollars on fetsh wealth
pc 4/25/2012 11:18 PM

and slowly imm quitting biz
pc 4/25/2012 11:19 PM

would be possible to get my money
fetish wealth 4/25/2012 11:19 PM

yeah we would
fetish wealth 4/25/2012 11:19 PM

you'd need to close out the account
pc 4/25/2012 11:19 PM

I know $100 is the minimum but I'm quitting and probably not promoting anything anywhere in the future
pc 4/25/2012 11:20 PM

oh,k, I will be closing the account, through system or via manager
fetish wealth 4/25/2012 11:21 PM

I will close it
fetish wealth 4/25/2012 11:21 PM

shoot me an e-mail at [email protected]
fetish wealth 4/25/2012 11:21 PM

we'll make they payout if it's due on the 1st
fetish wealth 4/25/2012 11:21 PM

or when ever the funds are available
fetish wealth 4/25/2012 11:21 PM

i realllyyyyyyy got to go though so please shoot that e-mail there
pc 4/25/2012 11:21 PM

I'll email you tomorrow
pc 4/25/2012 11:22 PM

k thx
fetish wealth 4/25/2012 11:22 PM

and I'll take care of it
fetish wealth 4/25/2012 11:22 PM

later
fetish wealth 4/25/2012 11:22 PM

sorry to see you go!
pc 4/25/2012 11:22 PM

adult is going too slowe to make a living
pc 4/27/2012 6:48 PM

I sent mail from ******@gmail.com
pc 4/27/2012 6:48 PM

thx
pc 5/2/2012 7:11 PM

I can see that my account is still active, have you received the email ?
fetish wealth 5/2/2012 7:11 PM

yeah
fetish wealth 5/2/2012 7:12 PM

i'm working on getting payouts out today
pc 5/2/2012 7:12 PM

thank you
pc 5/5/2012 7:40 PM

Hi there, did you closed my account and send the payout ?
regards
******
pc 5/9/2012 7:01 PM

?
pc 7/25/2013 5:58 PM

are u online ?
pc 7/25/2013 5:58 PM

fetish wealth affiliate question
fetish wealth 7/25/2013 5:58 PM

Hey Hey
fetish wealth 7/25/2013 6:44 PM

I spoke to management
fetish wealth 7/25/2013 6:44 PM

they denied my request for xing out the account
fetish wealth 7/25/2013 6:44 PM

the minimum is $100

Before someone will judge, just take a look at the dates and what I have stated previously in this thread.

[Markul]

You spent well over a year chasing $68?? Crazy. Well knowing that when you signed up, it said that payments below $100 aren't being made.

You need to spend your time on something more productive imo.

But you got paid in the end. Hope it was worth it

[nexcom28]

It's the principle imo, it doesn't matter if it's $1 or $99. Fact is he should have been paid when he first requested to close his account.

[Robbie]

You spent well over a year chasing $68?? Crazy. Well knowing that when you signed up, it said that payments below $100 aren't being made.

You need to spend your time on something more productive imo.

But you got paid in the end. Hope it was worth it

LOL. Only on GFY would people think that writing some emails to support every few months over the course of a year EQUALS Working around the clock 24/7 feverishly trying to collect $68

Dude...come on. I'm sure the guy works everyday and didn't have to strain to hard to spend a minute to write an email every couple of months or so.

Bottom line is: If a program owes money...they should pay it.
And in these days of low sales for so many affiliates, the "minimum payout" needs to come DOWN to reflect the reality of the industry.

[Far-L]

Why does everyone simply assume that hes accurate when he says he had contacted us for a year before this. Why dont you try our support sometime.

He was at 68$ and even says he had active rebills and some links up sooooo if i were in his shoes i would have met the minimum i had selected on signup to then been paid wo/ incident. end of story.

or he can come here and make a falsely titled thread (so much so the admins had to change it) with false statements like we dont anwser support to drum up drama and force us into paying immediately.

It isn't a false title thread at all imo. He has a right to call you scammers if you are keeping his cash.

We obviously have a different point of view of what "minimum payout" clauses represent in Terms and Conditions.

Minimum payout clauses are there to prevent company book keepers from having to deal with thousands of tiny sums and to set a bar of participation on the part of the affiliate. In essence, a "Minimum Payout" is set so you know the affiliate is sending legit joins and not just wasting time and resources.

Minimum payouts clauses do not address final payments or terminations with unpaid balances.

If you are going to penalize someone for leaving then you have to spell that out clearly and the majority of programs that all copy each other's T&Cs seem completely oblivious to this fact; then, they compound the problem by assuming that a minimum payout means you don't have to pay if the minimum is not reached, but that is not true. Don't listen to me, ask any attorney worth his salt.

Say your minimum is $200, but the affiliate only sent $175 worth of joins. The sales tracking clearly shows that the affiliate earned that cash. You can't keep that unless you spell out clearly why you would keep it and under what conditions you would be allowed. Just having a "Minimum Payout requirement" does not even come close to permitting keeping funds the affiliate generated.

I am not saying you guys are scammers, but I am saying he had a right to call you scammers legitimately. You kept the money he earned, which your own tracking showed you he earned and was owed. You incorrectly assumed that a "minimum payout" clause in your T&C gave you the right to keep his cash on termination of the account. Change the wording in your T&C and then you can do whatever you want.

[Far-L]

It isn't a false title thread at all imo. He has a right to call you scammers if you are keeping his cash.

We obviously have a different point of view of what "minimum payout" clauses represent in Terms and Conditions.

Minimum payout clauses are there to prevent company book keepers from having to deal with thousands of tiny sums and to set a bar of participation on the part of the affiliate. In essence, a "Minimum Payout" is set so you know the affiliate is sending legit joins and not just wasting time and resources.

Minimum payouts clauses do not address final payments or terminations with unpaid balances.

If you are going to penalize someone for leaving then you have to spell that out clearly and the majority of programs that all copy each other's T&Cs seem completely oblivious to this fact; then, they compound the problem by assuming that a minimum payout means you don't have to pay if the minimum is not reached, but that is not true. Don't listen to me, ask any attorney worth his salt.

Say your minimum is $200, but the affiliate only sent $175 worth of joins. The sales tracking clearly shows that the affiliate earned that cash. You can't keep that unless you spell out clearly why you would keep it and under what conditions you would be allowed. Just having a "Minimum Payout requirement" does not even come close to permitting keeping funds the affiliate generated.

I am not saying you guys are scammers, but I am saying he had a right to call you scammers legitimately. You kept the money he earned, which your own tracking showed you he earned and was owed. You incorrectly assumed that a "minimum payout" clause in your T&C gave you the right to keep his cash on termination of the account. Change the wording in your T&C and then you can do whatever you want.

In any other industry, it actually would be considered fraudulent conveyance. Sorry, I am really not trying to be obtuse and grind you guys but seriously hoping to help avoid this sort of confusion in the future.

[_Richard_]

There is the taint of bro-ism weaving its slippery stink through this thread like a fart in a crowded elevator that won't stop for the next twenty floors.

no dogs at all, but this has to be the best diatribe i have yet to read on gfy

[brassmonkey]

some sponsors don't bullshit they payout normal. pay out the $68 you already got your cut

[American Psycho]

OP,


So Unless im mistaken eand i maybe because i didny read every post but earlier you stated you contacted them and were ignored biu pasted icq history info seems like you're not ignored but they told you the reason clearly.
Yet another false claim you confirmed by your own writing .

[Got Domains?]

fetish wealth are dirty scammers just like markul

[sarettah]

fetish wealth are dirty scammers just like markul

And your problem with Markul is ?

.

[Got Domains?]

And your problem with Markul is ?

.

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[Far-L]

OP,


So Unless im mistaken eand i maybe because i didny read every post but earlier you stated you contacted them and were ignored biu pasted icq history info seems like you're not ignored but they told you the reason clearly.
Yet another false claim you confirmed by your own writing .

You might want to read the thread because since you didn't read everything you just falsely accused the OP of making a false claim.

This thread has to be one of the weirdest I have ever witnessed in a decade of GFY.

Affiliates are literally defending a program's right to burn affiliates for money the affiliate earned without any reason or cause beyond a very vague interpretation of a term and condition that affiliates hate on principle.

That is completely counter-intuitive and that makes my scorpio senses tingle...

[Lichen]

OP,

So Unless im mistaken eand i maybe because i didny read every post but earlier you stated you contacted them and were ignored biu pasted icq history info seems like you're not ignored but they told you the reason clearly.
Yet another false claim you confirmed by your own writing .

This is why my own program is invite only. I can't be assed to deal with fucking idiots that most affiliates are, who don't have 2 cents to rub together but think everyone owes them the world.

This fucking guy here sent a total of 3 sales to the program, but managed to shit all over it.

[Markul]

fetish wealth are dirty scammers just like markul

Proof or ban.

[American Psycho]

You might want to read the thread because since you didn't read everything you just falsely accused the OP of making a false claim.

This thread has to be one of the weirdest I have ever witnessed in a decade of GFY.

Affiliates are literally defending a program's right to burn affiliates for money the affiliate earned without any reason or cause beyond a very vague interpretation of a term and condition that affiliates hate on principle.

That is completely counter-intuitive and that makes my scorpio senses tingle...

OP said
"For few months now I was trying to contact them via
Email: [email protected]

Today finally I've managed to contact them via ICQ and that is the copy of the conversation:"

this insinuates that they are non responsive...but , then he pasted his icq history and was clearly showing they were in contact with him on icq regularly so i find it hard to believe that they never answered emails and also odd it took him 1yr to go from email to icqing them if in fact he did not get any email reply.

also, why is it so strange and not so subtly hinted to be a bro conspiracy for people to support a company with a good track record when one person comes to a board posting a clearly inflammatory thread thats so inaccurate his peers call him out and the admin changes the topic.

i can tell you why ,be cause a hoard of unhappy bitter affiliates love to blame someone and the program is always a good scapegoat ... especially where there are programs like that openly scam BUT keep in mind NOT all programs are like those.

[candyflip]

hi pclit

owner of fetishwealth here.

i instructed my program manger to stick with our rule for minimum payouts across the board and As John stated I hardly think having the minimum payout rule and sticking to it makes us "scammers" so I would appreciate if you could clarify the thread title on your subsequent complaint posts a little.

either way sorry you don't like the minimum payout rule but we have
it in place for a couple reasons one of which is to prevent real scammers which you have no idea how many fraudsters and scammers we have to deal with when running a program.

Please take note that I would be far more inclined to help you had your post not been so full of BS, so as I see it you two options

1. continue to complain and make inaccurate PUBLIC claims that we are scammers because you have not met the minimum payout which has been in effect since you signed up that you cant get support etc..

2. what seems more logical and easy from the start would be to send another sale or two to meet the minimum , then you will be paid like always before and then stop sending us traffic with no false board drama and smearing our name for no real reason.

good day sir.

I have closed out COUNTLESS affiliate accounts and have NEVER had one refuse to close my account and hold my funds.

You suck and so does your program.

[Harmon]

I have closed out COUNTLESS affiliate accounts and have NEVER had one refuse to close my account and hold my funds.

You suck and so does your program.

Bumppitty bump... TONS of info to come

[BigTony77]

This is why my own program is invite only. I can't be assed to deal with fucking idiots that most affiliates are, who don't have 2 cents to rub together but think everyone owes them the world.

This fucking guy here sent a total of 3 sales to the program, but managed to shit all over it.

You stupid fuck! Read the whole thread or go fuck yourself.