How long before Manwin does an IPO?

[HushMoney]

The owners of RK are on the board of Manwin now along with i'm sure a few others. How far behind is an IPO?

[Paper_Amar]

Exactly where this is going!

[davethedope]

who gives a shit? Costs will catch up with them soon and poof no more jackshit

[Relentless]

Wont happen. Smart companies buy a company that is already publicly traded and use that company as their public persona instead ;)

[pornguy]

If they are smart they wont ever go public.

[Robbie]

My guess is it probably won't. At least as long as Fabian is the front man.

It never made sense how he came up with the money in the first place...and that's just to us "normal" people. Let the govt. get in their taking a good close look to allow them to be traded publicly and it would be a mess for the guys who put in the real money.

[epitome]

Wont happen. Smart companies buy a company that is already publicly traded and use that company as their public persona instead ;)

Like how they wanted NOOF?

[epitome]

My guess is it probably won't. At least as long as Fabian is the front man.

It never made sense how he came up with the money in the first place...and that's just to us "normal" people. Let the govt. get in their taking a good close look to allow them to be traded publicly and it would be a mess for the guys who put in the real money.

Yeah look how soon they found out Madoff and so many others. They are really on top of things. People even notified the SEC about Madoff.

[Why]

My guess is it probably won't. At least as long as Fabian is the front man.

It never made sense how he came up with the money in the first place...and that's just to us "normal" people. Let the govt. get in their taking a good close look to allow them to be traded publicly and it would be a mess for the guys who put in the real money.

did he not explain where the money came from many times before? including in front of a crowd at internext in vegas?

[woj]

did he not explain where the money came from many times before? including in front of a crowd at internext in vegas?

I'm not sure why people don't believe him, it's not like he bought out google or apple or something... he bought a couple of porn companies for a few million here and there, not easy, but far from impossible if you know what you are doing...

[NaughtyRob]

Probably why those big companies sold. Stock options.

[sandman!]

never i would think...

[keysync]

Then it will all be ruled by metrics and it will all go to shit.

[Robbie]

did he not explain where the money came from many times before? including in front of a crowd at internext in vegas?

Yeah, he borrowed it from the bank. 100 million dollar loan to an ex-programmer at NATS.

Those of us who have secured jumbo loans before KNOW that he didn't do that on his own. No fucking way. If it were that easy then I would have already done it long ago and bought everyone out. lol

[Robbie]

I'm not sure why people don't believe him, it's not like he bought out google or apple or something... he bought a couple of porn companies for a few million here and there, not easy, but far from impossible if you know what you are doing...

lol

[Freaky_Akula]

I do not see that happening any time soon.

[Fat Panda]

never...

[woj]

lol

which part doesn't add up? he was a partner at nats for quite a few years, probably made ridiculous amount of $$$ while with them and then cashed out at pretty much their peak?

then bought a couple of profitable sites for fraction of their real cost with that $$$? seems 100% realistic so far... so now the guy is making few mil per year, aggressively reinvesting most of the profits, fast forward a year or 2, in that time he buys a few more sites and is now making probably close to 10 mil/year... after that, it's just rinse and repeat, except at slightly bigger scale...

I made up the numbers, but from what I understand that's how it more or less played out...

[directfiesta]

I'm not sure why people don't believe him, it's not like he bought out google or apple or something... he bought a couple of porn companies for a few million here and there, not easy, but far from impossible if you know what you are doing...

it's a Ponzi scheme ....

If he stops buying ( with debt ) the whole castle just crumbles down

[JFK]

did he not explain where the money came from many times before? including in front of a crowd at internext in vegas?

Oh please, what does that have to do with anything ??

[Robbie]

which part doesn't add up? he was a partner at nats for quite a few years, probably made ridiculous amount of $$$ while with them and then cashed out at pretty much their peak?

then bought a couple of profitable sites for fraction of their real cost with that $$$? seems 100% realistic so far... so now the guy is making few mil per year, aggressively reinvesting most of the profits, fast forward a year or 2, in that time he buys a few more sites and is now making probably close to 10 mil/year... after that, it's just rinse and repeat, except at slightly bigger scale...

I made up the numbers, but from what I understand that's how it more or less played out...

No he didn't make ridiculous amounts of money as part of NATS. NATS does okay...but most paysite owners made more in a week than he ever did at NATS.

And his next foray was an affiliate program that completely failed. That's documented right here on GFY when he made posts begging for affiliates and then the thing went belly up because he didn't know shit about the porn biz at that time.

None of it adds up. Except that there were real money men with the funds to back it. Fabian is the guy running it (the face of the company) and the one who will probably end up in jail a few years down the line too.

Don't want to argue the point with you. Just saying that IF the company tried to go public they would be thoroughly vetted by the govt. and then there would be problems for the whole money laundering scheme that was the rumor flying around at the time it went down.

[EriktheRabbit]

Yeah look how soon they found out Madoff and so many others. They are really on top of things. People even notified the SEC about Madoff.

Madoff was/is part of the "bro club"

[Robbie]

Yeah, Madoff was a trusted guy for many, many years in finance and handled some of the biggest clients in the world. He turned crooked after he was already in.

I would suspect that the money behind Manwin would be outed the first day that the govt. started following the paper trail. Especially with a porn company.

Anyway...why would Manwin want to sell stocks anyway at this point? I just don't see porn companies having much value in the stock market...and ironically that is because of sites like the Manwin owned tube sites. lol

[mikesouth]

There wont be an IPO they would have to reveal WAY too much info that they dont want made public, theyd do it by buying a company like NOOF and backdooring themselves onto the exchange.

[DWB]

did he not explain where the money came from many times before? including in front of a crowd at internext in vegas?

Then it must be true. People never lie, especially when they are stealing your shit.

I'm not sure why people don't believe him, it's not like he bought out google or apple or something... he bought a couple of porn companies for a few million here and there, not easy, but far from impossible if you know what you are doing...

A loan for OVER $100 million dollars, to a porn guy / programmer, after he was recently bankrupt and having managed nothing substantial before... FUCK YES! Why not? It's easy peasy if you know what you're doing. It's only mere $100 million.

Fabian is the "managing partner" and face of the company. That means there are other partner(s) who are in the shadows, and that is probably where the money came from. Not that it even matters, just sayin'.

[Drake]

They're smarter than that.

[livexxx]

Yeah, an IPO like facebook, good idea

[lazycash]

I'm not sure why people don't believe him, it's not like he bought out google or apple or something... he bought a couple of porn companies for a few million here and there, not easy, but far from impossible if you know what you are doing...

Its not 1999 anymore, venture capitalist aren't handing out money left and right. If you missed his speech, he was very coy about how he suddenly had 9 figures to go buy up the porn market. No, he never did explain in detail, I'm with DWB and Robbie, something just never added up with that. Oh and as Mike said, I don't see there being an IPO anytime in their near future as there's no way they're gonna wanna open up their books for all to see.

[Konda]

Its not 1999 anymore, venture capitalist aren't handing out money left and right. If you missed his speech, he was very coy about how he suddenly had 9 figures to go buy up the porn market. No, he never did explain in detail, I'm with DWB and Robbie, something just never added up with that. Oh and as Mike said, I don't see there being an IPO anytime in their near future as there's no way they're gonna wanna open up their books for all to see.

Exactly, in his speech he said he got a 9 digit loan from a "wallstreet fund"

But later in the speech he accidentally said "our investor", but then he quickly said "lender"

So basically he wants to make people believe that he got a loan, while in reality he is just a front man for the 'secret' investor(s).

Who these investors are and where the money comes from, well there are some very plausible theories that have been mentioned here before.

[Harmon]

The money that was used to buy up these companies was from the camel jockeys. Manwin was started by some Muslims early on. Let me see if I can find the names...

[famous]

I thought they were looking to buy New Frontier Media, Inc.(NASDAQ:NOOF) for that reason?

[xXXtesy10]

[Paul Markham]

It will open a can of worms and we will see the truth.

[Major (Tom)]

The money that was used to buy up these companies was from the camel jockeys. Manwin was started by some Muslims early on. Let me see if I can find the names...

brazzers means "brothers" (as in we're brothers) in whatever language the initial dipshits that started it were speaking.
I always thought brazzers was the hamburger division in a dairy queen
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[thumbuilderic]

I thought they were looking to buy New Frontier Media, Inc.(NASDAQ:NOOF) for that reason?

That's what I heard. I think they got approval but I don't think the deal has closed yet.

[Harmon]

brazzers means "brothers" (as in we're brothers) in whatever language the initial dipshits that started it were speaking.
I always thought brazzers was the hamburger division in a dairy queen
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This hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha guy helped start it.

hahahahahahaha: hahahahahahaha
Muslim: from the Arabic personal name Yūsuf, name of a prophet (the Biblical Joseph). It is the title of the 12th sura of the Qur’an, where it is told that Zulaykha, wife of Aziz, was attracted by the beauty of Yūsuf.

So yeah, Muslims.

Holy shit, they got his name censored? Hmm, strange... anyways, this is him: http://bit.ly/RGR688

[Django]

The money that was used to buy up these companies was from the camel jockeys. Manwin was started by some Muslims early on. Let me see if I can find the names...

Achmed

[Paul Markham]

I ask questions, always have and always will.

What was Mansef worth when it became Manwin? They had a money laundering charge hanging over their head, sites they own, people employed, etc.

Who spends $100,000,000 on an online porn company? Investment groups, banks, financial concerns turn over every stone before they buy or invest. Remember the industry and the time it was bought. These people throw money around on the Stock Exchange. They don't throw it around on online porn companies.

Reading Fabian's track record, who would put him in charge of a company he said was worth $140,000,000 Not Wall street or any financial concern with clean money.

GFYers gossiped that he spent $140 million on the purchase, which Thylmann confirms is ?close enough.?

What are 1600++ employees doing? 1200 in Montreal and 400 in LA, plus all the rest. That's a lot of people, especially in an industry where a lot of work can be done by a computer. A labour intensive job is editing video, if done properly it takes a day to edit a 30 minute scene. Or 2 hours if just cleaned up titled and start and end stuck on. Then the computer converts. Design and initial programming, they are one off's and one programme can run on many sites still need these guys, uploading is automated, office staff yes. Still 1600????

As you know I have dealt, installed and visited companies of this size. Dealt with them at the highest level. They are not online porn companies owned by someone like Fabian. The man can't even dress in clean clothes to do a presentation.

Montreal has 1200 on 5 floors. 240 people per floor. Any one here worked at or with board level of a company this size? I have many times. Once you get to 1200 people in one office complex, you're dealing with a big company.

Now don't come back with myth and fables. Come back with facts. As there are so few I doubt if this will get anything but myths and fables.

Read.

http://nymag.com/news/features/70985/index4.html

http://takedownpiracy.com/2010/01/co...nd-tube-sites/

[Nathan]

Love the theories! Keep'em coming! :D

[Paul Markham]

Love the theories! Keep'em coming! :D

You always do. That's all we get from Manwin.

What was Mansef worth when it became Manwin?

Who spends $100,000,000 on an online porn company?

Reading Fabian's track record, who would put him in charge of a company he said was worth $140,000,000?

What are 1600++ employees doing?

So instead of theories and PR. Let's have some facts.

[Nicky]

What are 1600++ employees doing?

The more important question is what would happen if all 1600 had to go to the toilet on the same lunch-break?

[Harmon]

You always do. That's all we get from Manwin.

What was Mansef worth when it became Manwin?

Who spends $100,000,000 on an online porn company?

Reading Fabian's track record, who would put him in charge of a company he said was worth $140,000,000?

What are 1600++ employees doing?

So instead of theories and PR. Let's have some facts.

Why would they take even 3 minutes out of their day to explain ANYTHING to you? They are not publicly traded, so they only need to answer to themselves and whoever they pay taxes to.

[MaDalton]

The more important question is what would happen if all 1600 had to go to the toilet on the same lunch-break?

i heard its getting crowded at times

[HushMoney]

Why would they take even 3 minutes out of their day to explain ANYTHING to you? They are not publicly traded, so they only need to answer to themselves and whoever they pay taxes to.

It's fine to be curious, but to demand answers is ridiculous.

[seeme]

Will never happen...

[SZNY]

[Paul Markham]

It's fine to be curious, but to demand answers is ridiculous.

didn't demand, I asked questions.

$140,000,000 +v $100,000,000 investment = !/4 of a $billion company.

The answer is. We are being treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed bullshit.

Keep us in the dark, but don't feed us bullshit and expect me to swallow it like some do.

You guys are used to it.

[artwilliams]

The owners of RK are on the board of Manwin now along with i'm sure a few others. How far behind is an IPO?

Why share the cash cow with anyone else? They seem to have enough cash flow that they can finance their acquisitions without it.

[HushMoney]

didn't demand, I asked questions.

$140,000,000 +v $100,000,000 investment = !/4 of a $billion company.

The answer is. We are being treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed bullshit.

Keep us in the dark, but don't feed us bullshit and expect me to swallow it like some do.

You guys are used to it.

That's fine. if you think it's bullshit Paul, then think that. I have no idea what's true and not true, but I don't sit around worrying about it. This only affects you because you let it.

[Barefootsies]

Fiddy Paul Markham interrogations.

didn't demand, I asked questions.

The answer is. We are being treated like mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed bullshit.

Keep us in the dark, but don't feed us bullshit and expect me to swallow it like some do.

I think you're under some sort of misconception a private company owes you answers. Much less on a forum.