The upside down world of pirates.

[Paul Markham]

Reading this I just couldn't understand what their point was. http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-online-...apping-120726/

Not even sure how true it is, because how anyone can track offline piracy sharing is a mystery. It would be person to person and therefore untraceable. Unless it's done phone to phone and can be tracked that way. Hard drive to hard drive wouldn't be traceable. Or is it?

While not insignificant, the fact that less than one in five music acquisitions can be traced back to online file-sharing isn?t really that convincing ? especially when one takes into account that only a tiny fraction represent a lost sale.

Which is why Kim Dotcom was so rich. how they know it isn't a lost sale is beyond me. Damian will explain it to us.

Even so are they pointing it out as a reason not to pursue the online piracy business?

[AllAboutCams]

Paul if you buy a jigsaws and then give away that jigsaws is that classed as jigsaws theft?

[Paul Markham]

Paul if you buy a jigsaws and then give away that jigsaws is that classed as jigsaws theft?

Don't know for sure. but if I copy the jigsaw and upload it to a site to give it away for free or get paid for it. That's theft.

[CurrentlySober]

i cant afford a jigsaw...

[davethedope]

paul markham, I need to speak with you. How can I contact you? Tried through normal channels to no avail.

[Paul Markham]

paul markham, I need to speak with you. How can I contact you? Tried through normal channels to no avail.

Sent you a message on your contact page http://nudeartcash.com/contact/contact-form.php

ICQ and Skype are good, just leave a message as I don't spend much time online. Unless I'm copying over a large order to a HD.

[DamianJ]

Reading this I just couldn't understand what their point was. http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-online-...apping-120726/

I can help you there. When they say that online music piracy pales in comparison to offline swapping, what they mean is according to research the RIAA commissioned, more people are sharing music offline than getting it from the internet.

In other words, more people are sharing songs with their friends on CDs, or ohter physical media than downloading it from the intermawebs.

Not even sure how true it is, because how anyone can track offline piracy sharing is a mystery.

Not really, it's research from the NPD Digital Music Study 2010-2011, as it says at the bottom of the graph showing only 21% of sharing is online.

how they know it isn't a lost sale is beyond me. Damian will explain it to us.

Many judges have ruled that Paul, go read up on legal cases for this as opposed to just people talking out of their arse. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...00-lost-sales/

Even so are they pointing it out as a reason not to pursue the online piracy business?

Maybe they've realised that it is a waste of time and money to pursue the online piracy business. They've spent billions and taken years and years and piracy has increased. So, they'd clearly be better off doing something else.

Interestingly, do you know how much money the RIAA recovery goes back to the artist? None. Not a cent. Interesting eh?

[CurrentlySober]

I concur...

[Paul Markham]

Another anti fighting piracy proponent.

I can help you there. When they say that online music piracy pales in comparison to offline swapping, what they mean is according to research the RIAA commissioned, more people are sharing music offline than getting it from the internet.

In other words, more people are sharing songs with their friends on CDs, or ohter physical media than downloading it from the intermawebs.

And when this happens these people tell the company that are doing so.

Not really, it's research from the NPD Digital Music Study 2010-2011, as it says at the bottom of the graph showing only 21% of sharing is online.

Which is where NPD Digital Music Study got it's data from.

Like I said the upside down world of pirates.

Many judges have ruled that Paul, go read up on legal cases for this as opposed to just people talking out of their arse. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...00-lost-sales/

Yes you live in the upside down world as well. Go read it again. The judge said;

Judge: 17,000 illegal downloads don't equal 17,000 lost sales

Maybe they've realised that it is a waste of time and money to pursue the online piracy business. They've spent billions and taken years and years and piracy has increased. So, they'd clearly be better off doing something else.

Yes agreed. This is a much better route. Settling out of court to get a sum of money and the data the piracy sites have. Like IP, email, payment details, content, dates and times of infringement and taking the pirates to court. first send a letter telling them to get a lawyer to advise them, reply with their excuse and offer of settlement. Then rinse and repeat, plus pass the list on to other producers. For them to use.

This would be a huge cash cow and scare the shit out of pirates.

Interestingly, do you know how much money the RIAA recovery goes back to the artist? None. Not a cent. Interesting eh?

Do you know how much of the piracy industry goes back to the creators?

I told you it's an upside down world they live in.

If it smells like a shit, looks like a shit, odds on it is a shit.

[DamianJ]

Another anti fighting piracy proponent.

Not at all. You said you were confused about the article, I explained what the article meant. At no point did I say anything about fighting piracy.

And when this happens these people tell the company that are doing so.

Yes Paul, that is what research is. People go and ask people questions, people answer them.

Which is where NPD Digital Music Study got it's data from.

From the research they did.

Yes you live in the upside down world as well. Go read it again. The judge said;

Judge: 17,000 illegal downloads don't equal 17,000 lost sales

Yes he did. That is my point. You asked me to explain why downloads don't equate to lost sales, I posted a link to just one of the many judges that has ruled that a download doesn't equal a lost sale. Well done for reading it.

Yes agreed. This is a much better route. Settling out of court to get a sum of money and the data the piracy sites have. Like IP, email, payment details, content, dates and times of infringement and taking the pirates to court. first send a letter telling them to get a lawyer to advise them, reply with their excuse and offer of settlement. Then rinse and repeat, plus pass the list on to other producers. For them to use.

That's a better route to get money from people. Has no effect whatsoever on piracy. Depends on your goal I guess.

This would be a huge cash cow and scare the shit out of pirates.

It's had absolutely no impact on piracy, but has made people like Lightspeed some cash. As I said, depends on your goal.

Do you know how much of the piracy industry goes back to the creators?

So now you are trying to say the RIAA are as bad as pirates? Interesting.

[Phoenix]

Paul if you buy a jigsaws and then give away that jigsaws is that classed as jigsaws theft?

there is a difference.
if you buy 1 Jigsaw from ABC company, it is yours, if you wish to give it away, do so.
However if you buy 1 jigsaw from ABC company and then make an exact replica of it, in mass quantities, say 100k to even 1 million of them. Exact copies of ABC companies Jigsaw.
Then yes that is indeed theft, and not normal theft, some high level big monetary level theft. And above that not just stealing their work and giving it away for free...you are now charging people for something else, but really it is so they can get the best copies you made and download them faster..lol

Then hide behind some obvious action pretending it is someone else...it is a recipe

55 years in jail seems acceptable if you steal 100 million dollars.


Anyone who supports kim dot com is a a little loose in their morals eh.

[Triple-A]

there is a difference.
55 years in jail seems acceptable if you steal 100 million dollars.

I concur

[Paul Markham]

DamianJ
This message is hidden because DamianJ is on your ignore list.

Is he still living in the upside down world of piracy?

[candyflip]

You have him on ignore yet continue to carry on conversations with him. Paul, you are a total fucking moron.

[DamianJ]

You have him on ignore yet continue to carry on conversations with him. Paul, you are a total fucking moron.

I can't believe I am back on his totally fictitious ignore list!

I wonder how long for this time? I think the record was 25 minutes.

So Paul, is it true you tried to fuck your assistant and she went to the police?

[gideongallery]

Do you know how much of the piracy industry goes back to the creators?

I told you it's an upside down world they live in.

If it smells like a shit, looks like a shit, odds on it is a shit.

well dan bull got 7k a year from mega uploads affiliate program giving away his song

And since he was using the download it and if you like pay me model

It didn't cost him any sales either, in fact it got him sales.

[pornguy]

Paul if you buy a jigsaws and then give away that jigsaws is that classed as jigsaws theft?

Not a bad way of looking at it. But you only gave that away 1 time.

When you give away COPIES of that puzzle, thats theft for SURE!

[theking]

I can't believe I am back on his totally fictitious ignore list!

I wonder how long for this time? I think the record was 25 minutes.

So Paul, is it true you tried to fuck your assistant and she went to the police?

If she went to the police...I assume "tried to fuck" means he "tried to rape" her?

[halfpint]

When the Amiga computer came out you could go to most car boot sales and buy copied games on 3.5 inch disks. I even remember them being advertised in local classified newspapers. And it used to be the same with videos and tapes So I guess that is what they mean. The kids of today download music to thier phones from pirate sites and then give it to all thier mates because to them its cool. Oh and there used to be teenagers who would knock on peoples doors who they knew and sell them copied video cds. It was a very common and regular thing to see about 5-6 years ago amongst neighbours

[Paul Markham]

When the Amiga computer came out you could go to most car boot sales and buy copied games on 3.5 inch disks. I even remember them being advertised in local classified newspapers. And it used to be the same with videos and tapes So I guess that is what they mean. The kids of today download music to thier phones from pirate sites and then give it to all thier mates because to them its cool. Oh and there used to be teenagers who would knock on peoples doors who they knew and sell them copied video cds. It was a very common and regular thing to see about 5-6 years ago amongst neighbours

If it could be copied, it could be pirated. It was just never the threat it was today. Sharing with their mates is going to be 10 to 30. Sharing it on a file locker, how many do you think that is?

Also kids sharing it on CDs and phones, how is that tracked to give accurate figures?

Here's the site. Maybe Damo would like to point us to the part where Torrent Freak got the info from. https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/u...ases/pr_120306

[halfpint]

If it could be copied, it could be pirated. It was just never the threat it was today. Sharing with their mates is going to be 10 to 30. Sharing it on a file locker, how many do you think that is?

Also kids sharing it on CDs and phones, how is that tracked to give accurate figures?

Here's the site. Maybe Damo would like to point us to the part where Torrent Freak got the info from. https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/u...ases/pr_120306

I have no idea unless they carry out surveys amongst diff age groups or are eves dropping cell phones. I think Yougov over here in the UK did a survey about downloading or copying music and films a few years back on diff devices. One of the guys who used to sell copied amiga games at the car boots had thousands of copies and I know for a fact he made a lot of bank on it.

Also dont know if you have seen some of the programs they showed on TV over here about fake items being sold as the real deal. Well they uncovered a group who had hundreds of dvd machines set up for the sole purpose of copying films and then selling them via different outlets. The person to person pirate is a lot bigger than what u might think

[alcstrategy]

If it could be copied, it could be pirated. It was just never the threat it was today. Sharing with their mates is going to be 10 to 30. Sharing it on a file locker, how many do you think that is?

Also kids sharing it on CDs and phones, how is that tracked to give accurate figures?

Here's the site. Maybe Damo would like to point us to the part where Torrent Freak got the info from.

I really have avoided getting involved in any of these threads, but the constant talk of file lockers is frustrating to me

Piracy has actually always been a problem, it's just more prominent and more people recognize it because of how much easier and cheaper it's gotten to store and transfer data, and because of how the internet and technology has changed.

There are so many different ways people pirate things. Who knows if these statistics are accurate or not, but when it comes to porn I think the combination of tubes, lack of security (which also applies to mainstream), and in some cases poor business practices are the real killer, and not file lockers.

People typically regurgitate things to file lockers, so its usually on at least a few of many other things first.

While I think taking down file lockers is a helpful cause, it is certainly not the end-all be all of things and blaming things mostly on file lockers is ridiculous.

Many webmasters and content providers should be checking themselves properly. The content and losses aren't coming through magic. File lockers aren't sneaking around stealing your stuff. Plus look at that link, 4% is file lockers.

A very big problem is prevention which directly leads to security and from all the threads I read I suspect many of you have quite a false sense of it.

[DamianJ]

If it could be copied, it could be pirated. It was just never the threat it was today.

But the RIAA TODAY say more is shared offline Paul.

Why would they lie?

Here's the site. Maybe Damo would like to point us to the part where Torrent Freak got the info from. https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/u...ases/pr_120306

Torrentfreak published a slide from the RIAA, it wasn't THEIR slide, it was the RIAA's slide. . I would tell you, but because you are lying (AGAIN) about ignoring me, I won't.

(Clue: It says on the slide from the RIAA where they got the information from, you just need to READ it!).

[DamianJ]

While I think taking down file lockers is a helpful cause

How many file lockers have been taken offline?

I see many have stopped using paypal, but not seen a list of how many have been taken offline...

[alcstrategy]

How many file lockers have been taken offline?

I see many have stopped using paypal, but not seen a list of how many have been taken offline...

You are certainly right, but I think some have changed the way they operate a little bit since megaupload. New ones pop up all the time and it will probably continue to do so, but going after them brings more exposure and potential pressure to do things. I guess I think it's the awareness that's helpful.

[Paul Markham]

You are certainly right, but I think some have changed the way they operate a little bit since megaupload. New ones pop up all the time and it will probably continue to do so, but going after them brings more exposure and potential pressure to do things. I guess I think it's the awareness that's helpful.

Damian is constantly telling us fighting is useless. Maybe he expects it to happen overnight with piracy sites closing down. Or maybe he has another agenda he's not telling us about.

[Paul Markham]

But the RIAA TODAY say more is shared offline Paul.

Why would they lie?

Torrentfreak published a slide from the RIAA, it wasn't THEIR slide, it was the RIAA's slide. . I would tell you, but because you are lying (AGAIN) about ignoring me, I won't.

(Clue: It says on the slide from the RIAA where they got the information from, you just need to READ it!).

Cam you just post the link for everyone to see.

Show us the slide on the RIAA site. And explain how they track offline sharing.

Still, no reason to stop the fight against the piracy industry, those making money from stealing.

[AdultKing]

How many file lockers have been taken offline?

I see many have stopped using paypal, but not seen a list of how many have been taken offline...

Most file lockers will keep operating until all their sources of funding are eradicated.

We do think, however, that once Paypal, Visa and Mastercard are taken out of the equation that many will fail.

Do not underestimate the importance of Paypal to these sites. Paypal is a trusted payment method for many people and losing it is a significant disruption.

If you can come up with a better strategy for dealing with file lockers than the one we are employing then feel free to share it with us.

[papill0n]

How many file lockers have been taken offline?

I see many have stopped using paypal, but not seen a list of how many have been taken offline...

its always easy to do nothing

[Paul Markham]

This is what I found on www.npd.com

In addition to improving economic conditions, and a continued appetite for music, the report also noted a decline in unpaid music acquisition, such as P2P file sharing and trading music on hard drives. NPD estimates that 13 percent of Internet users downloaded music from a P2P site, which is down from a peak of 19 percent in 2006. ?Industry efforts to combat illegal file sharing, and increased options for listening and downloading legally, have resulted in a sharp reduction in the number of P2P music downloaders,? said Crupnick.

Yes part of the decline is due to the combating of piracy, which Damian says is a waste of time. And insinuates we should give up on. Go figure out why.

Here http://torrentfreak.com/us-six-strik...dually-120713/

Although the measures that will be imposed by Internet providers are not that scary, there is a worrying backdoor built into the deal which allows the MPAA and RIAA to request personal details of repeat infringers for legal action.

Now that would have a real effect on fighting pirates. Dealing a blow like this to them would wipe a lot of them out. 3rd world uploaders will keep uploading, 1st world buyers would be scared shitless.

http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-online-...apping-120726/

The slide is confidential, so we take Torrentfreak's word for it. "Why would they lie" I hare the pro piracy trolls scream!!!! Waiting for Damian to verify the info and telling us how they come to the conclusions they did.

Another remark.

especially when one takes into account that only a tiny fraction represent a lost sale.

How do they arrive at this assumption and do people who pay to download can be assumed they won't buy legally if it's available. Or should they be allowed to acquire anyway. Still those profiting from piracy need to shut down. If they all move over to swapping hard drives, then good luck to them. The Kim Dotcoms of the world will go back to a normal wage.

Still it shows how big the problem is. And why giving in isn't the way to go forward.

[Paul Markham]

Most file lockers will keep operating until all their sources of funding are eradicated.

We do think, however, that once Paypal, Visa and Mastercard are taken out of the equation that many will fail.

Do not underestimate the importance of Paypal to these sites. Paypal is a trusted payment method for many people and losing it is a significant disruption.

If you can come up with a better strategy for dealing with file lockers than the one we are employing then feel free to share it with us.

Plus the added hit of having the funds frozen for 180 days. This probably causes more problems than simply losing a processor. Bills are not frozen.

Your work AK is growing all the time. There has to be smaller people who are no longer thinking this is the way to steal, bigger ones who are trying to plan a strategy. Ultimately once the funding is cut, the problem shrinks.

[Paul Markham]

its always easy to do nothing

He wastes a lot of time telling us to not waste time and do nothing. Go figure.

[alcstrategy]

Damian is constantly telling us fighting is useless. Maybe he expects it to happen overnight with piracy sites closing down. Or maybe he has another agenda he's not telling us about.

It sounds like he's just trying to be realistic.

As you said, it won't happen overnight, and multiple things need to happen to really change things and the laws don't make things easier so it is almost futile, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't appreciate and acknowledge the efforts of those who are trying.

One reason why security and consequent piracy is out of control is because people just don't give a shit.

[DamianJ]

Cam you just post the link for everyone to see.

Show us the slide on the RIAA site. And explain how they track offline sharing.

Still, no reason to stop the fight against the piracy industry, those making money from stealing.

You linked to it already Paul.

I didn't last long on your ignore list, did I?

Why do you CONSTANTLY lie?

[DamianJ]

If you can come up with a better strategy for dealing with file lockers than the one we are employing then feel free to share it with us.

So, none have closed down after all this work?

Let's say you manage to wipe file lockers off the face of the earth. Do you honestly think that will impact piracy? Or do you think it will drive people to FTP, P2P, Usenet, and offline sharing?

I keep saying this.

There is no "strategy" for dealing with pirates. There will always be pirates. It's cool you are trying to do what the MPAA and RIAA have tried to do for the last 10 years and failed. They had million if not billions of money to spend, they still completely failed. I admire your tenacity. However, ultimately I do think you are not going to make the blind bit of difference to either porn sales or piracy levels.

Love to see you prove me wrong. I've set a reminder in my calender to bump this in a year, then you can say TOLD YOU SO.

[Paul Markham]

It sounds like he's just trying to be realistic.

As you said, it won't happen overnight, and multiple things need to happen to really change things and the laws don't make things easier so it is almost futile, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't appreciate and acknowledge the efforts of those who are trying.

One reason why security and consequent piracy is out of control is because people just don't give a shit.

The fight so far has few victories, still better than none. Yet it's still going on and the the fighters are getting better. Stopping the funding is a good way to reduce the profit side of piracy, better is to identify them and sue them. Not with only an IP with other pieces of info as well. Taking some to court and showing a willingness to go the distance will put many on a warning.

He's trying to tell us to do nothing and let it grow unhindered. Go figure why.

[Paul Markham]

You linked to it already Paul.

I didn't last long on your ignore list, did I?

Why do you CONSTANTLY lie?

Well what I showed was more from your upside down world.

[Paul Markham]

So, none have closed down after all this work?

Let's say you manage to wipe file lockers off the face of the earth. Do you honestly think that will impact piracy? Or do you think it will drive people to FTP, P2P, Usenet, and offline sharing?

I keep saying this.

There is no "strategy" for dealing with pirates. There will always be pirates. It's cool you are trying to do what the MPAA and RIAA have tried to do for the last 10 years and failed. They had million if not billions of money to spend, they still completely failed. I admire your tenacity. However, ultimately I do think you are not going to make the blind bit of difference to either porn sales or piracy levels.

Love to see you prove me wrong. I've set a reminder in my calender to bump this in a year, then you can say TOLD YOU SO.

Freezing the funds of the ones caught is having an effect. Lots of people not getting paid now.

The fight is young, the journey is long. It needs people with balls to pick up arms and take the first step to get to the end. Rolling over and sticking your ass in the air, is for the likes of cowards and weakling. The pirates love you.

[DamianJ]

Well what I showed was more from your upside down world.

So I'm *not* on your ignore list anymore?

Awesome.

So, your assistant that I heard had to go to the police after you attacked her, is that true?

I met someone that knows you very well a couple of weeks ago. The stories are eye opening to say the least. Turns out I was right about why you had to flee the UK so quickly!

LOL!

[DamianJ]

The fight so far has few victories, still better than none. Yet it's still going on and the the fighters are getting better. Stopping the funding is a good way to reduce the profit side of piracy, better is to identify them and sue them. Not with only an IP with other pieces of info as well. Taking some to court and showing a willingness to go the distance will put many on a warning.

He's trying to tell us to do nothing and let it grow unhindered. Go figure why.

What you will realise in a few months is that money has fuck all to do with piracy on any large scale. 10 TB of pirated content is uploaded to usenet every single fucking day. They don't get paid. It costs nothing to access the files. Every ISP in the world includes free usenet access. Money only came into the game with the file locker uploaders. There's still p2p, forums, private ftp, usenet, www, and much more. No money changes hands. All that will happen is the people that pay to download will learn they don't have to.

You shoot pictures of very scared, very young, financially destitute girls. And you video yourself trying to touch them up and grope them. Go figure why.

[CurrentlySober]

If it smells like a shit, looks like a shit, odds on it is a shit.

Back-@-Yah!

[nico-t]

DamianJ
This message is hidden because DamianJ is on your ignore list.

Is he still living in the upside down world of piracy?

Paul, you've posted this same ignore list message to a post i made in a thread about/from you. A couple of posts later in that thread you answered another post i made. I thought you had me on ignore?

edit: I see you're now answering damians posts too while he is on ignore... Do you use magic ignore links?

[candyflip]

Paul tried to rape his assistant?

Sounds like he's got problems bigger than piracy.

[Paul Markham]

So I'm *not* on your ignore list anymore?

Awesome.

So, your assistant that I heard had to go to the police after you attacked her, is that true?

I met someone that knows you very well a couple of weeks ago. The stories are eye opening to say the least. Turns out I was right about why you had to flee the UK so quickly!

LOL!

Seems I'm getting to him and he's dishing out more lies. Why isn't this post alone enough to ban this idiot. Now he's accusing me of attacking someone who had to go to the police. The lie about having to get out of England quickly is just a repeat of one of his popular lies.

If it smells like a shit, looks like a shit, odds on it is a shit.

[Paul Markham]

What you will realise in a few months is that money has fuck all to do with piracy on any large scale. 10 TB of pirated content is uploaded to usenet every single fucking day. They don't get paid. It costs nothing to access the files. Every ISP in the world includes free usenet access. Money only came into the game with the file locker uploaders. There's still p2p, forums, private ftp, usenet, www, and much more. No money changes hands. All that will happen is the people that pay to download will learn they don't have to.

So cutting out the parasites making money off other peoples hard work, means nothing to you?

Yes piracy is a real problem and cutting out the pirasites, is a good first step. Follow it up with attacking forum via the advertising, would be a good next step. So spreading the news of where to get pirated content is dealt a blow, private ftp, that sees a nice way to get a virus and can someone advise me on that. Sticking it all on Usenet, keeps it to kids sharing it for free. Now then, can ISPs be persuaded to remove access to certain Usenet groups?

Looking at what Kim Dotcom was making and his hosting bill, give people just a small insight into the huge losses that piracy is inflicting on countries that produce the pirated content. Will they sit back and do nothing or step up the fight?

You shoot pictures of very scared, very young, financially destitute girls. And you video yourself trying to touch them up and grope them. Go figure why.

If this isn't the most scummy thing you have ever said, which for you is a new bench mark.

[candyflip]

If this isn't the most scummy thing you have ever said, which for you is a new bench mark.

Sometimes, the truth hurts.

[Paul Markham]

Paul tried to rape his assistant?

Sounds like he's got problems bigger than piracy.

Trying to spread the lies?

[candyflip]

I'm simply asking a question (based on something posted in this thread) and making a statement.

If that is indeed something that happened, you do most certainly have bigger problems than piracy.

[AllAboutCams]

ow i love a good fight

[OneHungLo]

That's some low blow shit saying he raped someone.