A Quote from the American Civil War (before it ended)

[wehateporn]

?Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late? It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision? It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.?

Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864

[CurrentlySober]

i cant afford an American Civil War (before it ended)...

[Barry-xlovecam]

The CSA lost, didn't they?

The States' Rights Argument has been beat to death for years and they are still beating the broken drum.

[TheSquealer]

Interesting,... propaganda during war time. That never happens.

[Bill8]

you want a tissue or something?

go ahead and do something about it.

[Verbal]

i cant afford an American Civil War (before it ended)...

With all due respect CurrentlySober, this hasn't been funny for well over a year.

[IllTestYourGirls]

The CSA lost, didn't they?

The States' Rights Argument has been beat to death for years and they are still beating the broken drum.

Yeah since we have centralized things more we have not lost many of our rights.

patriot act, ndaa, indefinite imprisonment of citizens, citizen kill lists, warrantless searches, wire taps, spying on everyone's bank accounts, free speech cages, free speech free zones, undeclared wars of aggression, drone bombing of funerals, hospital workers etc. The list could go on forever.

I wonder why people would fight for their state not to join those causes?

[BlackCrayon]

they should of totally dropped the slave thing if they didn't want to be remembered that way.

[u-Bob]

Technically it was not a 'civil war'. </2 cents>

[Rochard]

Yeah since we have centralized things more we have not lost many of our rights.

patriot act, ndaa, indefinite imprisonment of citizens, citizen kill lists, warrantless searches, wire taps, spying on everyone's bank accounts, free speech cages, free speech free zones, undeclared wars of aggression, drone bombing of funerals, hospital workers etc. The list could go on forever.

I wonder why people would fight for their state not to join those causes?

You know, people bitch about how their rights have been trampled and blah blah blah... And I just don't see it.

I still need a driver's license to drive my car and still go through the same search when I get on an airplane, just like I have for the past forty years. I do not need permission to leave the country or drive to another state, and so long as I do not shoot, kill, maim, hurt, rape, or rob anyone else I'm pretty much free to do whatever I want.

We have access to more information, free information, and none of it is censored.

The other things you mentioned...

Patriot Act: I do not know of anyone who has been personally affected by the Patriot Act. At all.
Indefinite Imprisonment of Citizens: Did we start locking up people and not giving them trials. I must have missed that.
Citizen Kill Lists: Sure thing.
Warrantless Searches: We've always had this; It's called Probable cause. I know us Americans are so afraid of searches and our privacy, but frankly, the cops are welcome in my house any time for any reason. I have nothing to fear; My life is pretty fucking dull.
Wiretaps: Great, read my email and listen to my phone calls. They can even read my text messages. All they'll find out is where my daughter is, being as that's what most of my text messages and phone calls are about.
Free Speech Cages: That's new to me.
Free Speech Zones: New to me also. Are you saying I can't stand outside of my town hall and call Obama names? I'm guessing I can.
Undeclared Wars Of Aggression: Now that's comical. My father died in Vietnam and I do not recall us declaring war on anyone. We do not need to declare war to have a military action, nor do I consider them "wars of aggression". Iraq attacked Kuwait, signed a peace treaty, and then violated it.
Drone Bombings of Funerals and Hospital Workers: I don't recall this. I'm pretty confident that it would have been front page news.

Whatever here.

[sperbonzo]

Technically it was not a 'civil war'. </2 cents>

Correct. A "civil war" is when two or more factions are fighting for control of the whole government/country. This was a war of succession, where certain states wanted to leave and be independent. This was, technically, their right under the constitution and the federalist papers.




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[_Richard_]

Drone Bombings of Funerals and Hospital Workers: I don't recall this. I'm pretty confident that it would have been front page news.

Whatever here.

and with this one point, you have completely discredited anything you have said

confident are you

[Yanks_Todd]

bla bla bla ... you are a tool.

Man I thought Rochard had a point until I read this rebuttal. The third "bla" is where you really proved your point. Then calling him a tool, wow, impressive. I can't wait for you to tell us how you are enjoying Harvard. There is no way they aren't crawling GFY for just this type of intellectual prowess.

[Yanks_Todd]

and with this one point, you have completely discredited anything you have said

confident are you

That did happen. But civilian casualties in a war have nothing to with us losing rights.

[Captain Kawaii]

The CSA lost, didn't they?

The States' Rights Argument has been beat to death for years and they are still beating the broken drum.

Your education has failed you. Read the quote again. Get someone to explain it to you.