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  • Vjo
    So Fucking Banned
    • Oct 2002
    • 6082

    #101
    Of course as Paul Markham would say more traffic and giving more away will lessen the decline for those with lots of content to give away.

    But they (major old progs) can stop spamming my inbox cause to sell their site when they are leveraging all their content on the tubes is rediculous.

    Yes the affil is dead (for THAT paysite, not all) if the paysite gives it all away which they almost all do now.

    Go for the short term HIGH traffic and profits or hang in there and keep your content sealed for long term growth. Obviously they have done the math and now days it is all about giving it all away in one last deperate hodge podge mass exodus of free porn to get more traffic.

    Paul is RIGHT on that. It may take a few years but porn is NOT gonna sell better unless major policy by the govt stamps out piracy and that is doubtful. And if the owner gives it away for traffic then it is not piracy but legal.

    Only thing keeping me from having a rip site? When I think about it.. nothing. Noone will do shit if I set one up. Maybe a c&d or two. No prob.

    It is where the money is now days.

    From day ONE in adult when we used to circle jerk surfers and blind link the piss out of them and we were lieing and being dishonest to them and one step ahead of the game (law as it were) has always made you the most money.

    Nothing has changed. Just the stakes are a bit higher if ya dont want c&ds or be thought of as a "bad guy" I guess.

    Money (oron) talks and BS (your morals) walks. If they cut me a deal tomorrow making me 6 figs I would say goodbye to morals immediately as would most of you.

    The dirty secret is to be a medium pirate today. Not Long John Silver. Then youll never get sued. And if you are smart you can always remain Judgement Proof.

    Fuck um. Play hard ball with their content. They obviously dont care if you are in the soup line.

    Every dog for themselves as we all sell the increasing worthless commodity.. porn in one last attempt to give more than the other guy. VALUE still sells. Surfer could care less about morality.

    As did WE at one time. (circle jerks, cc banging, cross sales)

    Not pretty but how I see it.
    Last edited by Vjo; 06-22-2012, 07:05 AM.

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    • signupdamnit
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2007
      • 6697

      #102
      Originally posted by Vjo

      Every dog (or cat) for themselves.

      All content is just SHIT to be stolen I guess at this point IF an affil wants to "join the game".

      Sure a few content owners here (maybe 10% of the industry) wont like me anymore but then most never did or could care less.

      To play by the rules now days is a suckers game and a losing cause for Joe Affil.
      This is what I don't think some people grasp yet. Many of these affiliates, especially the ones from places like Russia, aren't going to just exit the business. They are going to start pirating your content and they are going to follow "the new affiliate model" which basically means joining Oron's affiliate program or otherwise starting their own tubes and file lockers which openly pirate content and make money from the ads. It's already happening in fact and has been happening for a few years.

      The problem is just going to get worse as you allow it to run away.

      Here's an example of a "new affiliate" from today on the board:
      http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19018813&postcount=11

      Guys like this will simply replace the "old pay site affiliates". They'll be stealing your content or working in cahoots with those who do for a slice of the pie.
      Last edited by signupdamnit; 06-22-2012, 07:25 AM.

      You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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      • Tijuana_Tom
        So Fucking Banned
        • May 2011
        • 668

        #103
        Forget the government.

        If you work online you should be involved with white hat hackers.

        Just saying...

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        • signupdamnit
          Confirmed User
          • Aug 2007
          • 6697

          #104
          One more thing I'd like to point out for those in denial. Do you recall the Oron topic on the Digital point forum where multiple people were bitching about not having sales from 1,000 downloads as if that were highly abnormal? What does that tell you?

          It suggests to me that Oron now outsells your average tube or pay site by a mile. These days people consider 1 sale for every 30,000 tube impressions "good" and here these guys are making multiple signups on 1,000 downloads.

          Be in denial about what is happening all you want but it isn't changing what is happening. Another business now sells YOUR CONTENT even better than you do. Their affiliates make more sales per impression than your legal affiliates probably do now by a factor of ten at least. What do you think some of your less ethically hindered affiliates are going to do?

          If you want to keep your pay site business you better start fighting more for it.

          You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

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          • Vjo
            So Fucking Banned
            • Oct 2002
            • 6082

            #105
            Originally posted by signupdamnit
            One more thing I'd like to point out for those in denial. Do you recall the Oron topic on the Digital point forum where multiple people were bitching about not having sales from 1,000 downloads as if that were highly abnormal? What does that tell you?

            It suggests to me that Oron now outsells your average tube or pay site by a mile. These days people consider 1 sale for every 30,000 tube impressions "good" and here these guys are making multiple signups on 1,000 downloads.

            Be in denial about what is happening all you want but it isn't changing what is happening. Another business now sells YOUR CONTENT even better than you do. Their affiliates make more sales per impression than your legal affiliates probably do now by a factor of ten at least. What do you think some of your less ethically hindered affiliates are going to do?

            If you want to keep your pay site business you better start fighting more for it.
            I agree. They are making a killing. All these sites for $12.99 has to be selling like nuts.

            For one thing you get to use a DL manager which the tubes dont allow (I dont think).

            It is an easy choice for the consumer and really pretty rediculous.

            All these sites are avail for $12.99 on ONE rip site on the network plus you can DL for free at decent high speeds if you dont mind waiting a fews mins to begin. Easy to DL a thumbs file for all vids for all sites:

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            Shitload of porn for $12.99



            Extabit for hosting and Paypal for processing is the money making method this particular network of rip sites uses.

            Paypal.. what a joke. WTF Paypal? You mean Paypal doesnt know?

            Gotta have big balls now days I guess.

            Extabit: (surprise)

            Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
            Whois Agent
            +1.4252740657
            Fax: +1.4259744730
            PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
            C/O extabit.com
            Bellevue, WA 98007
            US

            And there are lots of these sites out there in the extabit network. This one has We Live Together. Another one has Dare Dorm. They all are included and connected for 12.99.

            Freaking rediculous.

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            • TheSquealer
              Mayor of Thneedville
              • Oct 2004
              • 26174

              #106
              Originally posted by Axeman
              The only way you get back to the early days of the net, is if you get worldwide gov't laws with teeth that regulate piracy as well as nudity/xrated content available for free and not behind an age verification paywall.

              Without those two things, then it will never been like it was in 98-04.

              Anyone that equates "conversions" to "stolen, full length videos" is simply not going to have a long life in this biz or enjoy any sort of enduring success. This biz is built on spectacular rising and falling and the average life of any business in adult only i'm sure doesn't exceed more than a few months. Just because you made some money, doesn't mean you can last as its a highly fluid and ever changing climate where most will not adapt to change.

              Well, the way you get back to really low conversions is to duplicate the circumstances that led to great conversions.

              1) You make bandwidth and hosting extremely expensive.

              Anyone remember when a submission to the hun might cost you $3,000 - $4,000.00 in bandwidth? If people could have shown more content at the time, they would have done it. Remember when these sites could image source another and shut it down in hours? The problem was hosting/bandwidth and slow user connections.... making surfing very difficult and tiresome, increasing the probability of one just stopping where they landed and joining a site.

              2) You eliminate broadband from homes.

              You need to turn back the clock so sites load very slow and browsing porn is the tedious chore it once was and where when an user gets thrown into a cj network for example, its just easier to give up and buy a membership. Anyone remember when a page had to be 100kbs or less? All connections will need to be 56kbs or less. We will need all those 15-30 second real/wmv streaming files that buffer endlessly and look like shit if they happen to load. Also the videos can't be bigger than 320X240.

              3) You dramatically decrease the amount of porn online.

              Scarcity was the primary driver of demand (in addition to other factors). That is true with porn as it is with any commodity. It doesn't have to be "free" to be a commodity that is less scarce. There was always free porn online and its always been a relative factor.

              4) Reduce the number of paysites and niches.

              I remember talking to J$yles in 98 about this new "asian niche" experiment doing very well for them at IEG.

              Shortly after that, I was talking to a guy (that well built guy that died), at traffic cash gold about "pissing" and thinking there is just nothing left to be explored in porn. Obviously it fractured into a million niches and new niches are coming up all the time.

              When Karasxxx.com, cybererotica.com etc was all there was, that's what people joined. The more niches that pop up, the more the customer base gets spread around and conversions to those generic mega sites drop.

              5) You change peoples perception.

              Make them think again that its a new way to access porn as opposed to buying a magazine in a store or adult store like a creep... this way the idea of anonymity and online is still fresh and new and something they are aggressively exploring as a new way of accessing porn.

              This is probably the second largest reason porn exploded how it did online in the late 90's and early 2000s.

              6) You make them naive again.

              Make them forget all the scams, the dishonesty and outright fraudulent behavior of porn sites. This will result in higher overall trust and better conversions.

              7) Get rid of youtube, facebook, twitter, blogs, netflix etc etc etc...

              You know, all those things that didn't exist or weren't competing for porn surfers attention at the time. This will result in higher conversions as the mindset then goes back to "where's the porn", not "i need to kill some time... whats going on with facebook"

              8) Change online demographics.

              I feel like I'm the only one at times that understands how radically online demographics shifted and how fast - directly impacting ratios. We will need to get rid of all the 3rd world countries and just have premium countries. Basically, it needs to be 80% US surfers, 90% of which are male nerds hiding in a basement as it was in 1998.



              The list can go on and on as to all the factors that contribute to declining conversions. There idea of "putting the genie back in the bottle" implies there is a single cause of declining conversions which could be undone. This is simply not true and never has been.

              Markets evolve and mature, customers evolve and mature, products evolve and mature. Remember when the mantra was "surfers are stupid"???? That was said every single day by multiple people on every adult webmaster forum. Guess what... surfers aren't stupid. They are your potential customers. They know whats out there. They know quality when they see it. They are capable of making well educated decisions which they weren't capable of in 1998.

              "Adapt or die" doesn't mean "steal or die". That's just a sad and convenient excuse for failure. It means, "if you don't come to grips with the product demand and the direction of expectations and demand and you fail to produce something which isn't better, unique, well branded and well marketed (this biz incidentally, understands jack shit about actual marketing), you won't survive no matter what".

              I remember that woman (CJ?) that used to own purve.com laughing about how all her asshole members wanted to be able to download content. She didn't last much longer. This is a business which has historically had a very adversarial relationship with its own "stupid" customers and today, almost everyone is paying the price for that and people continue to as they fade in and fade out.
              Last edited by TheSquealer; 06-22-2012, 08:46 AM.
              .
              Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

              Rochard

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              • Vjo
                So Fucking Banned
                • Oct 2002
                • 6082

                #107
                Nice thoughtful post Squealer. This one in particular:

                "1) You make bandwidth and hosting extremely expensive."

                Def where it all began to go bad. That one thing could def turns things around.

                It really is an iffy, volatile, ever changing biz as you say.

                About all you can do is try to build sites faster than the product you are selling goes stale. (from an affil perspective) The worse thing is to keep tweaking forever on one site as I used to do. Build it and forget is what the old schoolers used to say and that is still pretty true today.

                Ya got to get a lot of different sites out there. Mainstream and adult. That is the best diversity against all the pitfalls that inevitably come along espec in the adult biz.

                Build sites. All types. That is really our job as affils if we want to stay floating longterm.

                A lot of what the old pioneers preached is still true today.

                Anyhow going to bed. Thanks for reading my long winded stuff

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                • Voodoo
                  ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 10600

                  #108
                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                  Which is why there are maybe as many as 100 million surfers on a few porn tube sites every day.





                  Yes people were giving away free murals in the year 100 BC.



                  Tell that to the mafia. Pirate Bay, etc.
                  Hi Paul,

                  Originally posted by Voodoo
                  Free porn has been around since the dawn of the internet...
                  Do you really think the internet was created in 100 B.C.?

                  Just sayin'.
                  Last edited by Voodoo; 06-22-2012, 09:47 AM.

                  "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

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                  • jimmycooper
                    Confirmed User
                    • May 2010
                    • 4016

                    #109
                    I've always viewed the activity of complaining more as a precursor to some type of action rather than as the action in and of itself.

                    Does that make sense or have I been taking crazy pills?

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                    • TheSquealer
                      Mayor of Thneedville
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 26174

                      #110
                      Originally posted by Vjo
                      It really is an iffy, volatile, ever changing biz as you say.

                      EVERY online biz is. Almost every site online, rises, falls just as quickly and fades into obscurity. All the early players in adult are gone. Not because of "free porn" but because the circumstances under which they were making so much money, rapidly changed. Those 10 tgp whales became minnows. Those 5 SEO guys sending 100 joins a day come and go with Google updates. The spammers sending 50-500 joins a day, faded in and faded out in accordance to their ability to keep finding/setting up new smtp relays. Consumer tastes change. Markets change. Competition changes things and so on. A friend of mine sent 100 joins a day to silvercash for a VERY long time, never so much as a thank you and when they ran into Mike at a show, they wanted to talk to him for 5 minutes and he brushed them off and links were pulled. Imagine the long term financial impact of something as small as losing 100 joins a day when you are doing good and what it means when things slow down.

                      This business is full of idiots who typically only made it by doing one thing and just frantically repeating it until it stops working and then suddenly the world is to blame as they go back to a 9-5. Whether its link lists or CJ sites or tgps or spam, or SEO work, or whatever.

                      Somehow people in this biz think they must be different. Everyone thinks they are entitled to success no matter what happens. There are very few online making enterprises that were online and successful 8 years ago that are online and equally successful today.... its true in mainstream, its true in adult.

                      The internet has always been a highly fluid and rapidly changing environment. Few should expect to be successful for any real period of time.
                      .
                      Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                      Rochard

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                      • TheSquealer
                        Mayor of Thneedville
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 26174

                        #111
                        Originally posted by jimmycooper
                        I've always viewed the activity of complaining more as a precursor to some type of action rather than as the action in and of itself.

                        Does that make sense or have I been taking crazy pills?
                        I think that in this biz and in the case of the obvious fact that tube sites will never go away... its simply an excuse. Piracy isn't causing failure. Peoples inability and unwillingness to confront what they view to be the "problem" is causing failure. Content can be locked down, fingerprinted and tracked and so on and so on,... but its easier to complain and lay blame elsewhere.

                        .
                        Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

                        Rochard

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                        • Paul Markham
                          Too old to care
                          • Jun 2001
                          • 52942

                          #112
                          Originally posted by Voodoo
                          Hi Paul,

                          Do you really think the internet was created in 100 B.C.?

                          Just sayin'.
                          The Internet didn't start the porn industry. If you say "industry" remember online is just a part. The largest part now, but not always.

                          The list can go on and on as to all the factors that contribute to declining conversions. There idea of "putting the genie back in the bottle" implies there is a single cause of declining conversions which could be undone. This is simply not true and never has been.
                          Great post just quoted this part.

                          To return to the better times you need the same conditions as then. Those conditions will never return and for most the only way forward is the way out.

                          The problem for many is they can't afford to change, adapt, get better. they're too busy treading water. The traffic that used to come to the many now goes to a small handful of mega tubes or piracy sites. Once a surfer is there and seeing the benefits, he's not moving back to paying. From these sites we know how much money to goes the pockets of the rest of the industry.



                          Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500.
                          PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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                          • Voodoo
                            ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 10600

                            #113
                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                            The Internet didn't start the porn industry. If you say "industry" remember online is just a part. The largest part now, but not always.



                            Great post just quoted this part.

                            To return to the better times you need the same conditions as then. Those conditions will never return and for most the only way forward is the way out.

                            The problem for many is they can't afford to change, adapt, get better. they're too busy treading water. The traffic that used to come to the many now goes to a small handful of mega tubes or piracy sites. Once a surfer is there and seeing the benefits, he's not moving back to paying. From these sites we know how much money to goes the pockets of the rest of the industry.
                            I said that free porn has been around since the dawn of the internet.

                            "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

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                            • SZNY
                              SZNY
                              • May 2004
                              • 2800

                              #114
                              this industry needs new incentives. How you want to fight/compete if you battle one giant and X pirates?
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                              • Brad Mitchell
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                                • Nov 2001
                                • 9813

                                #115
                                Originally posted by Vjo
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                                • Paul Markham
                                  Too old to care
                                  • Jun 2001
                                  • 52942

                                  #116
                                  Originally posted by Voodoo
                                  I said that free porn has been around since the dawn of the internet.
                                  Apologies for my mistake.

                                  Vjo's post is a long list of companies we should be contacting to see if they will step up to the plate and follow the lead of Corbin Fisher.

                                  http://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=19020075#post19020075
                                  Last edited by Paul Markham; 06-22-2012, 10:04 PM.



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                                  • Barefootsies
                                    Choice is an Illusion
                                    • Feb 2005
                                    • 42635

                                    #117
                                    Originally posted by Vjo
                                    Fair enough. You are entitiled to your opinion. Ass Slappy if ya seach "Vjo" has a prob with me so I NOW have a prob with him and you got dragged along a bit.
                                    No worries champ.

                                    I did not know anything about you and SlappyFish's history until you posted this. I am simply saying not to be so sensitive should I post a reply to you, as I am not out to hurt your feelings or slam you. I do not have any beef with you.

                                    Carry on.

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                                    • Vjo
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Oct 2002
                                      • 6082

                                      #118
                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                      Apologies for my mistake.

                                      Vjo's post is a long list of companies we should be contacting to see if they will step up to the plate and follow the lead of Corbin Fisher.

                                      http://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=19020075#post19020075
                                      Typing Estabit in Google..

                                      Did you mean Extabit? Aahh yes, must be popular..

                                      "Extabit.com is a professional file hosting - exchange service which provides its users with the opportunity to store files."

                                      Anyhow I normally dont like to "whistle blow" but it took me about two seconds to find a rip site on Google typing in "free yoursite.com rip"

                                      So just saying pretty much every major site is ripped and hosted for dl somewhere at a cheap price. The minor niche or mom and pop fetish sites not so much.
                                      Last edited by Vjo; 06-22-2012, 10:41 PM.

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                                      • Vjo
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 6082

                                        #119
                                        Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                        No worries champ.

                                        I did not know anything about you and SlappyFish's history until you posted this. I am simply saying not to be so sensitive should I post a reply to you, as I am not out to hurt your feelings or slam you. I do not have any beef with you.

                                        Carry on.

                                        My apologies BF. I have a bit of a temper and I flew off the handle.

                                        I do type too damn much text I know. I am trying to be more succinct. And I do respect not putting vids in biz threads but I lost my temper a bit.

                                        Slappin is Ok he just doesnt like my vids and he is entitled to that opinion.

                                        In my own threads or in vid threads they should be ok. Altho I still catch hell. But in other's threads I (now) try to not post any or maybe one tops if I really feel I deserve one.

                                        I need my music I guess And I MUST share

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                                        • 2MuchMark
                                          Mark of 2Much.net
                                          • Aug 2004
                                          • 50969

                                          #120
                                          It won't stop the bleeding but it will definitely help. The music industry and the movie industry are in the same fight like we are. They are not only surviving but thriving. There is an answer, we just have to keep looking.

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                                          • Robbie
                                            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                            • Aug 2002
                                            • 20960

                                            #121
                                            Originally posted by MarkPrince
                                            It won't stop the bleeding but it will definitely help. The music industry and the movie industry are in the same fight like we are. They are not only surviving but thriving. There is an answer, we just have to keep looking.
                                            I don't know why everybody keeps saying the music industry is "thriving".

                                            NO it's not. You look at the billboard charts and it's a catastrophe. And all the single song downloads everyone says is "thriving"...not compared to what it was when musicians were really making money.

                                            Look, I've been a pro musician since I was 8 years old (playing steel guitar around the country in 1969). The music industry is a ghost town/shell of what it once was.

                                            ITunes can still make some money. But Jesus Christ! Don't any of you remember when a major band used to ship an album PLATINUM! And "platinum" back then meant ONE MILLION.

                                            That shit hardly happens at all anymore. Used to happen every week because EVERYBODY bought the new albums and singles.

                                            The music industry is on life support. And the only thing making real money (compared to what it once was at it's height) are the big (old) bands going on worldwide multi-year tours.

                                            The movie industry is an entirely different beast. It's an EXPERIENCE.
                                            You don't take your wife and kids to the living room to watch a ripped version of the newest movie on your computer on a Friday night.
                                            No.
                                            You take them to the MOVIE THEATER. It's a night out for your family. Or a date.

                                            Totally different.

                                            And having said that...BOTH of those things are COMPLETELY different from the porn business.
                                            People get their porn when they are ALONE.
                                            And they have to be sneaky to buy it (so their wives or girlfriends don't catch them)

                                            Having it given away for free DESTROYS the business model of selling porn in ways that don't touch the music or movies industry.
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                                            • pornsprite
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Dec 2009
                                              • 1643

                                              #122
                                              Originally posted by JimmyStephans
                                              I know from experience that I make more money when my content is not easy to get for free.

                                              Examples: 2009 I spent hours and hours and thousands of dollars going after a site named wp-board.com. I got it shut down and you can read the entire story here:

                                              http://wp-board.com/

                                              Within 60 days I had broken my all time sales record (most active subscribers at one time) by at least 500 members and I managed to retain those members a long damn time.

                                              I also made almost $200,000.00 in settlements - 1/2 of which was given to charities.

                                              I have 2 guys that are still paying me monthly on settlements, and are active paying subscribers!

                                              Fast forward to summer 2011. I found a forum with my stuff - full site rips and every update posted. I was able to get a few real names and sued guys (Google: James S. Grady VS. )... as soon as suits started that forum, and two others, took down sections / posts related to my stuff. Days later, I could watch sales climb.

                                              Both years I had done nothing else (no promos, no discounts, no ads) that would cause the increased sales. All I did was cut off the source of free stuff.

                                              For me - its not about thinking it will be like the glory days if we can kill file lockers. They are gone.

                                              Its about improving today and making them as good for business as possible.
                                              Posting real information surely makes your reply more authoritive than most. Thanks for sharing.
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                                              • The Porn Nerd
                                                Living The Dream
                                                • Jun 2009
                                                • 19784

                                                #123
                                                Trust me when I say this people, for I worked in that Biz for fifteen years:

                                                The Music Business is DEAD.

                                                Carry on.
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                                                • TheSquealer
                                                  Mayor of Thneedville
                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                  • 26174

                                                  #124
                                                  Originally posted by MisterPeabody
                                                  Trust me when I say this people, for I worked in that Biz for fifteen years:

                                                  The Music Business is DEAD.

                                                  Carry on.
                                                  "Music business is dead"

                                                  meaning

                                                  "people ultimately resent and ultimately refused to be forced to pay for $11 for a shitty CD that only really has one good song on it"
                                                  .
                                                  Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens.

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                                                  • Jim_Gunn
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                    • 5702

                                                    #125
                                                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                    "Music business is dead"

                                                    meaning

                                                    "people ultimately resent and ultimately refused to be forced to pay for $11 for a shitty CD that only really has one good song on it"
                                                    That's always been a preposterous argument made by people to justify their illegally downloaded music collections. Any and every idiot that ever purchased a CD with only one good song on it deserved to get taken. I had a large CD collection at one time with every release by all my favorite bands and I got more than my $11 share of entertainment out of the listening every time. Especially with music, people tend to listen over and over and over to their faves.

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                                                    • Robbie
                                                      Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                      • 20960

                                                      #126
                                                      Originally posted by Jim_Gunn
                                                      That's always been a preposterous argument made by people to justify their illegally downloaded music collections. Any and every idiot that ever purchased a CD with only one good song on it deserved to get taken. I had a large CD collection at one time with every release by all my favorite bands and I got more than my $11 share of entertainment out of the listening every time. Especially with music, people tend to listen over and over and over to their faves.
                                                      Damn straight. All my albums were by my favorite bands. I listened to ALL of the album and enjoyed them: Zeppelin, Stones, The Who, The Beatles, The Cult, Metallica, Nirvana...it didn't really matter.

                                                      If I liked a band I liked their style and was interested in the entire album.
                                                      I doubt very seriously that anybody ever bought "Dark Side Of The Moon" for one song.

                                                      And last I checked nobody in history was ever "forced" to buy any albums. If you had a favorite song...it comes on the radio constantly. You never had to go out and buy and entire album for that one song. And not only that...but most bands used to release SINGLES as well. Once vinyl was replaced by cassette tape and then CD that became less of an option of course. But as I said before...nobody ever was forced to buy anything.

                                                      But MOST people are true fans of the bands they love and WANTED to buy the albums. I have never heard anybody in real life tell me that they wish they hadn't bought an album of a band they liked. Never.
                                                      Last edited by Robbie; 06-23-2012, 07:35 PM.
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                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                        Too old to care
                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                        • 52942

                                                        #127
                                                        Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                                        "Music business is dead"

                                                        meaning

                                                        "people ultimately resent and ultimately refused to be forced to pay for $11 for a shitty CD that only really has one good song on it"
                                                        The pirates steal what ever they can and earn from downloads of the best music. I can find anyone of the the great CDs being pirated. That's just an excuse.

                                                        Producing great albums takes money. Try doing it with a budget decimated by piracy. It's the same as porn. It's hard make great porn or music paying peanuts.

                                                        Can they buy the one great song for a few dollars on iTunes?

                                                        Yet still prefer to steal it.
                                                        Last edited by Paul Markham; 06-23-2012, 09:30 PM.



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                                                        • Barefootsies
                                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                          • 42635

                                                          #128
                                                          Originally posted by Robbie
                                                          But MOST people are true fans of the bands they love and WANTED to buy the albums. I have never heard anybody in real life tell me that they wish they hadn't bought an album of a band they liked. Never.
                                                          True. I think most fans actually enjoy supporting the bands they like.

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                                                          • TheSquealer
                                                            Mayor of Thneedville
                                                            • Oct 2004
                                                            • 26174

                                                            #129
                                                            Originally posted by Jim_Gunn
                                                            That's always been a preposterous argument made by people to justify their illegally downloaded music collections. Any and every idiot that ever purchased a CD with only one good song on it deserved to get taken. I had a large CD collection at one time with every release by all my favorite bands and I got more than my $11 share of entertainment out of the listening every time. Especially with music, people tend to listen over and over and over to their faves.
                                                            I'm not arguing that its ok to steal. I'm just pointing out that when given the choice, people are going to act how they act and their motivations are often much more diverse and complex than people would make it seem.
                                                            .
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                                                            • TheSquealer
                                                              Mayor of Thneedville
                                                              • Oct 2004
                                                              • 26174

                                                              #130
                                                              To put it another way, the industry changed in terms of how music could become available and distributed. The consumers reacted in my opinion in a way which makes perfect sense. In years past, they had no choice but to accept that if you really like "xyz" song, then you have to pay $11.00 for it. When a new option came, people jumped on it. Additionally, all peoples motivations aren't "i want to steal as much as possible, as often as possible". People do what they do for a lot of reasons. As most people know, people have ZERO problems supporting artists they like, buying CDs after downloading them and so on. I'm not saying its ok to steal, i'm saying that when the labels lost control of how music reached consumers, Apple was the only one really who reacted in a way to meet the demands/needs of those consumers. Labels STILL are fumbling around like a bunch of computer illiterate seniors who can't understand why its so damn hard to just get rid of cars and go back to horse and buggies where they were making more money.

                                                              Again, i'm not saying its ok to steal. But if i charge 10.00 per can of coke because there is nothing else to drink, and through me is the only way to obtain and drink it, then it shouldn't be a real shock when people will steal the coke, given the chance to do so. Especially when you don't give them any other way to pay 5.00 or 3.00 or whatever the market deems it to be truly worth.
                                                              Last edited by TheSquealer; 06-24-2012, 06:16 AM.
                                                              .
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                                                              • The Porn Nerd
                                                                Living The Dream
                                                                • Jun 2009
                                                                • 19784

                                                                #131
                                                                The #1 problem with downloading and the music industry is that they DEVALUED the worth of music. How?

                                                                A song is only "worth" $0.99!!!!!!! So c'mon, I'm just 'stealing' something that's less than a buck! Come prosecute me!!

                                                                Ridiculous.

                                                                Porn is now 'devalued', movies are 'devalued', EVERY GODDAMN THING has become Wal-Marted for our mass consumption, meant to be disposable.

                                                                Porn? Here's an idea: charge $59.95 for a month's membership. Time to RE-VALUE PORN.

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                                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                  • 52942

                                                                  #132
                                                                  Originally posted by Robbie
                                                                  Damn straight. All my albums were by my favorite bands. I listened to ALL of the album and enjoyed them: Zeppelin, Stones, The Who, The Beatles, The Cult, Metallica, Nirvana...it didn't really matter.
                                                                  Can you tell the difference between these bands?

                                                                  Can you tell the difference between 90% of the porn online?

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                                                                  • Barefootsies
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                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                    • 42635

                                                                    #133
                                                                    Originally posted by MisterPeabody
                                                                    The #1 problem with downloading and the music industry is that they DEVALUED the worth of music. How?

                                                                    A song is only "worth" $0.99!!!!!!! So c'mon, I'm just 'stealing' something that's less than a buck! Come prosecute me!!

                                                                    Ridiculous.
                                                                    There is the logical flip side to that point of view.

                                                                    The ridiculous part is not the prosecution of the thief, but the fact " I'm just 'stealing' something that's less than a buck!" Exactly. It costs less than a buck, and you're still stealing it.

                                                                    Last I knew, the dollar amount was not the issue in the discussion, but the act it's self.

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