Ron Paul Money Bomb Today Over $1,000,000 so far...

[Ethersync]

I threw in $100.

Amount: $100.00
Transaction ID: 30333####
Transaction date/time: 2011-08-20

OK, Ron Paul fans. Even if it's just $10 or $20 we need it to reach the $1,500,000 goal.

Right now: $1,063,849.10

https://secure.ronpaul2012.com/

[glamourmodels]

Oh, silly Ethersync... don't you listen to the talking heads and the GFY pundits? Ron Paul cant win.

Oh, wait. I know the problem... you can read, unlike most zombies who soak up the media spoon fed lie, and you might know actually that according to Rasumussen Ron Paul polls at 41% compared to Obama's 42% in a direct head-to-head matchup... and that was a year ago when a lot less people even knew Paul's name and the economy at least "appeared" better.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...42_ron_paul_41

A more recent CNN poll shows that Obama currently wins against any Republican, but that Ron Paul has the highest numbers against Obama over any other Republican candidate.

According to the poll, taken before the announcement of Osama bin Laden's death, President Barack Obama has an edge over all the top GOP candidates in hypothetical match-ups.

Who does best against Obama? Paul. The congressman from Texas, who also ran as a libertarian candidate for president in 1988 and who is well liked by many in the tea party movement, trails the president by only seven points (52 to 45 percent) in a hypothetical general election showdown. Huckabee trails by eight points, with Romney down 11 points to Obama.

The poll indicates the president leading Gingrich by 17 points, Palin by 19, and Trump by 22 points.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...op-nomination/

So can someone explain to me why "Ron Paul cant win" when he leads all other Republican contenders against Obama, yet people don't make that same criticism about all the other Candidates when they fare much, much worse in a head to head matchup?

[mozadek]

My my my, all those people throwing their money away.

[Ethersync]

$1,202,768.85

https://secure.ronpaul2012.com/

[Coup]

Will he actually spend the money to campaign.. or will he just pocket it like last time? lol

[kane]

Oh, silly Ethersync... don't you listen to the talking heads and the GFY pundits? Ron Paul cant win.

Oh, wait. I know the problem... you can read, unlike most zombies who soak up the media spoon fed lie that actually according to Rasumussen Ron Pal polls at 41% compared to Obama's 42%... and that was a year ago when a lot less people even knew Paul's name and the economy at least "appeared" better.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...42_ron_paul_41

That is old

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...andidates.html

This is an average of all polls and it was last updated on 7/17 so it isn't as up to date as we would hope but it shows Obama beating Paul 49% to 38%. That is about the same as Bachman and Perry are running against him. Romney, on the other hand, is only about 3 points behind.

I will believe that Paul has a shot at winning the election when I see two things happen.

1. He starts to pander to the far right. Like it or not they control the republican primaries in the first stages because somewhere around 10 of the first 12 primary states are in the bible belt where the evangelicals have a strong foothold. He will need to either convince them to vote for him (which is unlikely now with both Bachman and Perry in the race) or he will have to raise enough money to survive those states and hope he can make up the delegates when the election moves to the more progressive states where he would have more support.

2. Speaking of money, he will need to start holding big fundraisers and allow the machine to work for him. It will likely take around 100-150 million dollars to win the nomination. If he can't raise that much he won't be in the game. It is an admirable stand that he doesn't take money from the big businesses and special interests, but if you want to be in the game you have to be able to spend like the rest of the players.

[Ethersync]

2. Speaking of money, he will need to start holding big fundraisers and allow the machine to work for him. It will likely take around 100-150 million dollars to win the nomination. If he can't raise that much he won't be in the game. It is an admirable stand that he doesn't take money from the big businesses and special interests, but if you want to be in the game you have to be able to spend like the rest of the players.

It wouldn't take that much. He is #2 in fundraising behind only Romney so he's doing very well with raising money.

As for "special interests" there is the Revolution SuperPAC now which has a money bomb in September. There are no donation limits and donations can come from companies and organizations as well as people. There are rumors that a couple extremely wealthy people will be donating large amounts of money to that.

http://www.revolutionpac.com/

As for #1, I don't see him pandering to anyone.

[Ethersync]

Will he actually spend the money to campaign.. or will he just pocket it like last time? lol

Which is illegal and had he actually pocketed it he would have felt the wrath of the FEC.

There were rumors he may use some of the unspent money on an educational publishing company, but I never heard that it actually happened.

He gives 6 figures back to the Treasury from his Congressional office budget each year. Not really the actions of someone trying to milk as much money out of his career as a politician as possible. He also does not participate in the congressional pension program and calls it "immoral".

[pornmasta]

It is not the rich's fault if Ron Paul is poor...
Why should people give money to him?
Give him some of your GPA points so he can find a job to get his money...

[porno jew]

[Coup]

Which is illegal and had he actually pocketed it he would have felt the wrath of the FEC.

There were rumors he may use some of the unspent money on an educational publishing company, but I never heard that it actually happened.

He gives 6 figures back to the Treasury from his Congressional office budget each year. Not really the actions of someone trying to milk as much money out of his career as a politician as possible. He also does not participate in the congressional pension program and calls it "immoral".

There were millions of dollars unspent from his last campaign. What did he do with it? it sure as hell didn't go to what it was given to him for (his presidential campaign).

[Ethersync]

There were millions of dollars unspent from his last campaign. What did he do with it? it sure as hell didn't go to what it was given to him for (his presidential campaign).

I believe most of it went to fund his 501(c)(4) nonprofit political organization "Campaign for Liberty". Some may have gone to other candidates he endorsed. None of it went in his pocket as you say. You do understand that this is how all politicians handle left over donations in situations like this, right?

From the campaign:

There have been erroneous reports circulating in the press and on the Internet that Dr. Paul might use some of his campaign funds to start a for-profit publishing corporation. This wild speculation is completely false. Dr. Paul has no intentions to do any such thing. In fact, doing so would not only be unethical but also blatantly illegal. When the campaign first saw this baseless rumor, we were very surprised. What?s more, our office was never contacted to so much as comment.

[Coup]

I believe most of it went to fund his 501(c)(4) nonprofit political organization "Campaign for Liberty". Some may have gone to other candidates he endorsed. None of it went in his pocket as you say. You do understand that this is how all politicians handle left over donations in situations like this, right?

From the campaign:

Dude sat on a stack of cash his entire run, Spent little of it for his campaign, and just decided to spend it on other random stuff instead... and you're ok with that?

[Ethersync]

Dude sat on a stack of cash his entire run, Spent little of it for his campaign, and just decided to spend it on other random stuff instead... and you're ok with that?

He raised over $28 million. I donated a lot of money to that campaign. Yes, I am OK with him using whatever few million that was left over to start Campaign for Liberty. The only people outraged by this are people like you who are looking for a reason to make him look bad.

[pornmasta]

Save the rich !

[kane]

It wouldn't take that much. He is #2 in fundraising behind only Romney so he's doing very well with raising money.

As for "special interests" there is the Revolution SuperPAC now which has a money bomb in September. There are no donation limits and donations can come from companies and organizations as well as people. There are rumors that a couple extremely wealthy people will be donating large amounts of money to that.

http://www.revolutionpac.com/

As for #1, I don't see him pandering to anyone.

Here is the difference between Paul and Romney. Romney has a ton of his own money he is willing to spend. Right now nobody has a lot of money because the big donors are waiting to see what happens early in the primaries. If a candidate comes out the gate fast they can use that to raise money quickly. McCain is a great example. Is campaign was broke, but he came in 3rd in Iowa and won New Hampshire and used that momentum to raise money. In 2008 Romney spent $110 million and lost.

Paul is likely not going to do well in the early stages because the religious nuts will vote for Perry or Bachmann. However, with the rule changes in place for this year Paul could still stick around then make his move later on once the campaign leaves the bible belt and he will need money to do that. I still think he is going to need around $100 million if he wants a legit shot at winning the nomination and I don't think he is capable of raising that kind of money.

[tony286]

The person you are really electing is not Dr Paul but who ever his running mate is. He would be what 78 when he took office and you see how the office ages much younger men.

[xholly]

lol @ donating money to politicians. Suckers.

[glamourmodels]

Dont feel bad sync, the trolls just realize that the "Ron Paul cant win" strategy to discredit him has been thoroughly debunked, so they are switching gears to find other stuff to nitpick him about. Pretty soon the media will say he fathered a love child in a three-way with Elvis and Marilyn Monroe cloned from DNA in some lab. Their desperation is showing. Truthfully, I don't even vote personally so I don't have a dog in this fight, it's just amusing to see the trolls contort themselves into a pretzel to try anything imaginable to smear him any way they can. Even to a casual observer like myself, it's pretty obvious.

He raised over $28 million. I donated a lot of money to that campaign. Yes, I am OK with him using whatever few million that was left over to start Campaign for Liberty. The only people outraged by this are people like you who are looking for a reason to make him look bad.

[kane]

Dont feel bad sync, the trolls just realize that the "Ron Paul cant win" strategy to discredit him has been thoroughly debunked, so they are switching gears to find other stuff to nitpick him about. Pretty soon the media will say he fathered a love child in a three-way with Elvis and Marilyn Monroe cloned from DNA in some lab. Their desperation is showing. Truthfully, I don't even vote personally so I don't have a dog in this fight, it's just amusing to see the trolls contort themselves into a pretzel to try anything imaginable to smear him any way they can. Even to a casual observer like myself, it's pretty obvious.

For me it has nothing to do with debunking Paul and throwing his campaign off track. For me it is about honesty. Paul is no different than any other politician. He rails against earmarks, yet year in and year out he is among the house leaders in the amount he requests in earmarks. He is selling his followers a bill of goods. Just go to his site and see where he stands on the issues and ask yourself how many of those things he really could get passed if he were elected. Paul loves to talk a good game, but any president finds out that talking during a campaign and then actually having to follow through on your promises are two very different things.

I have always said that the reason Paul doesn't buy into the system at least for the first round of the game so that he can raise enough money to get elected is because he really doesn't want to win. He knows that I have a better chance of fucking Angelina Jolie than he does of getting most of his ideas to actually come to fruition if he were elected. So he runs, he makes some noise, he raises some money and then. . . and here is the big one. . . he publishes a new book.

There are two things I can almost guarantee. Paul will not win the republican nomination and right about the time the primaries are done Paul will have a new book on the shelves for all the bitter Paul fans to buy. he is a world class marketer. I'm not saying he doesn't believe in what he preaches, but he is smart enough to know that unless he is willing to make some major sacrifices he could never get those policies actually enacted. So he talks and makes great speeches and uses that to cash in and sell books.

If he really wanted to make a difference he would play the game, take the money, say what needed to be said and play the games that needed to be played and win. Then when he got into the White House he could do as he pleased. If his policies were actually good he wouldn't need those powers that be to help him get elected again because the people would love him and if they sucked, he would be a one term president, but at least he would have his shot. But is not going to do that because he likely doesn't really want to win.

[porno jew]

and paul's investment portfolio is set up to profit if the dollar and the US economy tanks.

there is money to be made banging the doom and gloom drums.

[baddog]

The person you are really electing is not Dr Paul but who ever his running mate is. He would be what 78 when he took office and you see how the office ages much younger men.

So, essentially the same reason you gave for not voting for McCain.

Dont feel bad sync, the trolls just realize that the "Ron Paul cant win" strategy to discredit him has been thoroughly debunked, so they are switching gears to find other stuff to nitpick him about. Pretty soon the media will say he fathered a love child in a three-way with Elvis and Marilyn Monroe cloned from DNA in some lab. Their desperation is showing. Truthfully, I don't even vote personally so I don't have a dog in this fight, it's just amusing to see the trolls contort themselves into a pretzel to try anything imaginable to smear him any way they can. Even to a casual observer like myself, it's pretty obvious.

Whatever makes you feel better.

[looky_lou]

He only needs $997,500.000 to be competitive. Sucks, but is the truth.

[BittieBucks]

Fuck

I need me one of these money bombs !!!

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

I'd shoot the mother fucker before I'd give him a god damned penny.

[Chris GAMBA]

What is the point in giving money to someone who is running for the leadership of a party that will never give him the nomination? Nothing more that a stupid waste of time and money.

Although, anyone who can be convinced that the republican party will ever do anything positive does not deserve to hang on to their money. Give your hard earned cash to Ron Paul to have it end up going to Mitt Romney... brilliant.

[bushwacker]

I threw in $100.



OK, Ron Paul fans. Even if it's just $10 or $20 we need it to reach the $1,500,000 goal.

Right now: $1,063,849.10

https://secure.ronpaul2012.com/

Way to waste your money, good job.

[buzzard]

Way to waste your money, good job.

I gave too. You got 2 idiots now. Soon you'll be the only idiot left lol

[buzzard]

Way to waste your money, good job.

Way to waste your fucking life.

[buzzard]

I'd shoot the mother fucker before I'd give him a god damned penny.

I bet you don't even have a gun. You could have one if you want...

[HerPimp]

looks like he hit the goal

[Paul&John]

$1,566,005.54

[seeandsee]

$1,568,570.73

bomb has been explode!

[Ethersync]

Paul is no different than any other politician. He rails against earmarks, yet year in and year out he is among the house leaders in the amount he requests in earmarks. He is selling his followers a bill of goods. Just go to his site and see where he stands on the issues and ask yourself how many of those things he really could get passed if he were elected. Paul loves to talk a good game, but any president finds out that talking during a campaign and then actually having to follow through on your promises are two very different things.

Getting rid of earmarks would not save any money at all. The money is already allotted to be spent and anything not spent by Congress is spent by the Executive branch. Here is an interview where he explains his position: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-w...-spending-bill

As for what he could get done as President, yes you are right. A lot of what he talks about he could not single-handedly do. What he could do is end "nation building" and "preemptive war" and totally change how the "war on drugs" is handled. He could also put an end to all these bailouts. Most importantly, if he were to be elected it would send a signal to other politicians in DC. I think a lot of people would come his way on issues. In fact we are already seeing that now in this election cycle on the right.

[kane]

Getting rid of earmarks would not save any money at all. The money is already allotted to be spent and anything not spent by Congress is spent by the Executive branch. Here is an interview where he explains his position: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-w...-spending-bill

He makes some good points.

As for what he could get done as President, yes you are right. A lot of what he talks about he could not single-handedly do. What he could do is end "nation building" and "preemptive war" and totally change how the "war on drugs" is handled. He could also put an end to all these bailouts. Most importantly, if he were to be elected it would send a signal to other politicians in DC. I think a lot of people would come his way on issues. In fact we are already seeing that now in this election cycle on the right.

You are right, he could do some things right out the gate without the approval of congress which to me is a perfect example of why he really doesn't want to win. If he really wanted to do these things you would think he would do whatever it took to get himself into the position where he could do these things. Once in office he could bite the hand that feeds him and do as he pleases.

It is too early for me to say fully that he is not willing to seriously raise the money needed and campaign as needed to win. We won't know that until the beginning of next year as the primaries get underway. I just have a feeling he is kind of like the right's Ralph Nader. he has some ideas that excite a core group of people, but he is more interested in promoting himself and his brand than he is getting into a position where he could actually put his ideas into action.

[Ethersync]

You are right, he could do some things right out the gate without the approval of congress which to me is a perfect example of why he really doesn't want to win. If he really wanted to do these things you would think he would do whatever it took to get himself into the position where he could do these things. Once in office he could bite the hand that feeds him and do as he pleases.

I admit that in 2008 he was in it to educate and not in it to win. This time though I think he genuinely believes he has a chance to win this. There is a huge difference between how his campaign is operating now compared to 2008. He also is not running for reelection to congress so that he can focus 100% on the presidential campaign.

I just have a feeling he is kind of like the right's Ralph Nader. he has some ideas that excite a core group of people, but he is more interested in promoting himself and his brand than he is getting into a position where he could actually put his ideas into action.

I believe he has far more support than you give him credit for and certainly way more than Ralph Nader ever has had. We'll see how it goes, but I am optimistic.

[mafia_man]

don't you listen to the talking heads and the GFY pundits?

Blah blah no money in porn.
Blah blah tubes.
Blah blah porkwikileaks, manwin, RK.
Blah blah don't buy .xxx.

[Coup]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republi...rimaries,_2008

Will he even make it to the primaries before dropping out again? lol

Get real people.

[tony286]

So, essentially the same reason you gave for not voting for McCain.

When someone is in their 70's and now with DR Paul approaching 80 by the time he is sworn in.It matters. They show you the pictures of men in their 50's after being president how it ages them. Reagan was going senile by the end of his presidency. Others were calling the shots. Age does matter.
Also how any one can take a guy seriously about being anti government but he has been working in that government for over 30 yrs is too funny. This whole Ron Paul isn't like them ,he is a career politician.

The sad thing is the Republican that could beat Obama and doesn't have a chance of winning the primary because he is not a nut job is Gary Johnson.

[IllTestYourGirls]

For the record Ron Paul wants all the spending earmarked.

[iamtam]

I threw in $100.



OK, Ron Paul fans. Even if it's just $10 or $20 we need it to reach the $1,500,000 goal.

Right now: $1,063,849.10

https://secure.ronpaul2012.com/

why give money to a flip flopper, an outsider, and someone who cant build a consensus on anyone with anyone else? even if her got elected and the republicans held both houses, he would still be against the congress. you just wasted $100, next time give to a homeless person, they will get more use out of it and you will get more satisfaction.

[acrylix]

Also how any one can take a guy seriously about being anti government but he has been working in that government for over 30 yrs is too funny.

From what I've read, he is not "anti government." He wants government to obey the U.S. Constitution.

I'm not sure how someone can be considered anti-government for wanting to follow the law of the land.

[bushwacker]

Way to waste your fucking life.

Did I hurt your wittle feelings? It's your money, you can choose to waste it as you see fit.

[d-null]

He only needs $997,500.000 to be competitive. Sucks, but is the truth.

why is so much money needed? is the system so fucked up that a candidate can't go all the way based on policies, integrity and reputation?

[buzzard]

looks like he hit the goal

[kane]

why is so much money needed? is the system so fucked up that a candidate can't go all the way based on policies, integrity and reputation?

Basically, yes, the system is that fucked up. In the end the one that wins is often the one that comes up with the better narrative and is able to package and sell it to the people. Obama had a brilliant narrative in 2008 with "Yes we can" and "Change we can believe in." He put it together in a brilliantly run campaign then spent about $800 million and flooded the nation with his message and it worked.

If you want to have a serious chance of winning you need an organization that has people on the ground nationwide out there knocking on doors and making calls and sending out emails and mailers to get the word out and you need to buy commercial and ad space all over so that people will become familiar with you and buy into what you are doing. Obama was even buying ad space in video games and he will have close to 1 billion to spend next year so whoever is going to face him better be able to raise a hell of a lot of money.

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

I bet you don't even have a gun. You could have one if you want...

That would be a bet you wouldn't want to make.

[glamourmodels]

That about sums it up. You crystallized the GFY experience down to four sentences.

Blah blah no money in porn.
Blah blah tubes.
Blah blah porkwikileaks, manwin, RK.
Blah blah don't buy .xxx.

[V_RocKs]

Now give the rest of your money to FFN..