Has anyone bought traffic from TrafficHolder?

[SCLN]

I was considering buying some traffic and was wondering if anyone has dealt with Traffic Holder. If, so can you tell me, is their traffic a good deal, is it of decent quality, were you pleased with your purchase in the end? I have not purchased any traffic before, and am just trying to find a good deal for good quality clicks. Also, I would greatly appreciate some other sources anyone has had success with. Thanks!

[u-Bob]

i use them on a regular basis.

[ErectMedia]

not a fan, my stats showed it was 99.999% bot traffic, do a search for traffic holder here and you will see I am not the only one with this opinion on the quality.

[wizzart]

not a fan, my stats showed it was 99.999% bot traffic, do a search for traffic holder here and you will see I am not the only one with this opinion on the quality.

Yes, I can say that 99% of traffic is bot, too.

[Klen]

Not realy it's not bot traffic it is just if you buy general there is chance you will get traffic from CJ sites which productivity is very small so it look like bot traffic.Just buy traffic directly from domains and problem solved.

[ErectMedia]

Not realy it's not bot traffic it is just if you buy general there is chance you will get traffic from CJ sites which productivity is very small so it look like bot traffic.Just buy traffic directly from domains and problem solved.

It would take months and many $$$$ to find the 0.01 percent that is not bot traffic. Buying thousands of hits and all of it spends 0.00 seconds on your site is bot traffic. Not only does the traffic quality suck but I bought premium traffic from them which was supposed to come from certain countries and it came from countries like turkey which is not in the premium country list. I have been doing adult since 2002 and believe me when I say you are wasting your money there as better quality sources exist.

[Klen]

It is enough to check sources of traffic or domain sellers and that's it.No need for months.

[ErectMedia]

It is enough to check sources of traffic or domain sellers and that's it.No need for months.

that was called sarcasm, saying it would take you months because 99.999% of the traffic is garbage, throw google analytics up and come back here and say anyone is spending any quality time on your sites from that traffic and then I'll know you work for them, stats don't lie, I have close to 1800 domains and have been analyzing statistics since 2002.

[TrafficHolder]

that was called sarcasm, saying it would take you months because 99.999% of the traffic is garbage, throw google analytics up and come back here and say anyone is spending any quality time on your sites from that traffic and then I'll know you work for them, stats don't lie, I have close to 1800 domains and have been analyzing statistics since 2002.

ErectMedia,

According to our logs, you have received traffic from quite established and well known sites.

However, we would not suggest to purchase such type of traffic to the website like yours. Its
better to use testing system to find specific sources that should work well for your website.

Regarding 0 seconds time spent by our surfers on your website. I see you set refresh for 5000 milliseconds
(50 seconds) to determine how much time visitor spent at your website, so if visitor stays < 50 seconds, your
script will always show 0 seconds for this visitor.

Normally you should get the same result when you buy same traffic from ANY other supplier of skimmed traffic,
including trafficshop, protraffic, chokertraffic. But it does not mean that they sending you "hitbots". In order to
determine real hitbots, its not enough to see how much time they spent at your website. We also have
time tracking script at our pages - however, at our page they spending more time, because its more dedicated
for skimmed traffic. Banner ads should work better for your website.

According to Alexa - I do not see traffic at your website (or very low traffic). So, probably you need
to do more traffic tests in order to get more correct information about how traffic
works at your website.

Thank you,

Artem Guitz,
TH Media Supervisor
ICQ: 350-623-959

Call Us: +1 (213) 985-1003

[TrafficHolder]

If you still determine hitbots by time spent on your website, I would suggest you to point your attention
to number of leads/joins/signups. If you buy enough skimmed traffic from different brokers, you will
see that the result with us should be better than with any other broker. However, I would not suggest
skimmed traffic if you are focused on sales.

Artem Guitz,
TH Media Supervisor
ICQ: 350-623-959

Call Us: +1 (213) 985-1003

[ErectMedia]

Bottom line is I bought 6-8k hits and analytics says 0.00 seconds on 99.9% of it. Analytics doesn't care about any settings on your end as it reports what happens from their end. If I bought your so called premium web cam traffic then why was quite a bit coming from countries not in the premium list like Turkey. If you wan't me to focus on sales/joins I spent $20 as a test of a few types of your traffic and ended up with zero joins/zero sales/zero productivity. I have had only 2800 hits delivered from traffic-out so far out of 5000 I bought which has produced... 56 joins, 28 confirmed joins and 19 orders at $489.90 so making the claim that your traffic is better than any other broker is false. Not gonna debate as numbers don't lie and my money goes where the stats/results tell me to go. Search the forum and find quite a few others that don't dig traffic holder quality as you can put a spin on it but statistics don't lie. Feel free to delete my account as I won't spend another dime to test anymore low quality traffic I received that you can't even deliver from the right country. As far as my site not showing good alexa yes this one is new but as you see I can turn less than $20 elsewhere so far into almost $500 in sales so age of a site means nothing as this first month is off to a great start for a white label.

[TrafficHolder]

ErectMedia, you should not get traffic from any bad country if you would not remove
checkbox "send traffic from hq countries only"

Traffic-out.com is good, but I think you still misunderstand, that traffic-out supplies
another type of traffic. its not skimmed traffic. Its much more expensive and available
in low volume traffic. I should repeat - I talking about SKIMMED traffic that sells protraffic,
trafficshop, chokertraffic, etc. Skimmed traffic is not for your website, it works
well for tgp/mgp/tube websites. So you compare different traffic types. Its like to compare
404 traffic and banner clicks. Its different traffic for different goals.

We will run real-clicked traffic soon, it will be good for your website, so I hope you will try
it and would not complain anymore

[ErectMedia]

ErectMedia, you should not get traffic from any bad country if you would not remove
checkbox "send traffic from hq countries only"

Traffic-out.com is good, but I think you still misunderstand, that traffic-out supplies
another type of traffic. its not skimmed traffic. Its much more expensive and available
in low volume traffic. I should repeat - I talking about SKIMMED traffic that sells protraffic,
trafficshop, chokertraffic, etc. Skimmed traffic is not for your website, it works
well for tgp/mgp/tube websites. So you compare different traffic types. Its like to compare
404 traffic and banner clicks. Its different traffic for different goals.

We will run real-clicked traffic soon, it will be good for your website, so I hope you will try
it and would not complain anymore

I payed extra for premium geo filtered web cam traffic but go ahead and spin it like I didn't uncheck a box. Last I checked Turkey is not a premium country therefore proving your geo filtering is worthless.

I understand traffic types as I have been slinging porn since 2002. Text links from traffic-out is higher quality than skimmed which I expect as the visitor knows what they are getting before they click. The issue is your traffic had zero productivity and resembles hitbot traffic in every form and comes from low quality countries I didn't pay for.

As far as complaining goes if you sell a good product good reviews will follow and repeat sales and new business will come. Selling bad traffic leads to bad reviews here which you may not care about now as you can still find new people to buy even if you burn the previous customers. Fast forward a year or 2 down the road and instead of finding 10-20 bad reviews here you may find 100-300 and then not only do old customers not buy but new ones wont even give you a shot and then you will need to change names and start again as your business will be toast. Instead of trying to defend your service like I haven't analyzed statistics every day for the last 8 years you should stop using botnets or filter out the bots if your sellers are feeding them in. Go to the top of this forum and search Traffic Holder and tell me I'm the only one complaining that your traffic is useless bot traffic, click your own username and see most of your posts are defending your service, wouldn't have to defend if the quality was there. Good luck with your new clicked traffic. My losses are minimal right now so I'll pass on spending anymore with you for any new tests. If you respond to this post my next will be an attempt to quote every previous post in this forum where someone mentions traffic holder and bots in the same sentence so you can call us all stupid at once as going back and forth when I'm right is a waste of time. Man up and improve your traffic quality instead of trying to spin excuses.

[anicetan]

One of my referrals spent over $20K on traffic from Trafficholder, so they must have been satisfied with the traffic quality.

[ErectMedia]

One of my referrals spent over $20K on traffic from Trafficholder, so they must have been satisfied with the traffic quality.

just means they don't analyze traffic like I do called blind buying, just from 1 page of search results, I can probably find a few hundred more...

Your money will be better spent buying ads from Juicy Ads. Traffic holder is pretty much all non-productive botclicks.

I'm having a bit of the same issue. I tried traffic holder, but hardly anyone rly click anything on my website...

I purchased some traffic @ traffic holder and these are the results for the last 2 days

Purchased------------14.5 k (in 1.5k -3k increments)
website traffic--------23 k
Hits------------------338
return traffic--------- 80
ratio-----------------0:338

I need to re-evaluate what I need this traffic for seems to be bots with only page loads

Is that why everyone complains about getting shit traffic from traffic sellers? I'll bet Traffic Holder would love to see your post with your ref link.

Well I have to agree 100% as I have just tested them too..Unfortanately wasting our hard earned $$...Not only did I buy several k of the expensive Webcam HQ traffic they provide, but I also bought several k of 5 different webcam domains(only ones they had) as well as severel k of other domains like voyeur etc and NOT A SINGLE hit stayed on the site for like you said not even a second. Kinda funny considering we made 3 sales off less than 150 hits on Adwords traffic, and they visited average 8 pages, several mins on site etc.........Ok, so now Im trying to figure out how to get adwords to throw me more clicks...I may be looking at another traffic\advertismement source here real quick as well if site keeps converting well especially......

I don't know, but trafficholder is by far the worst traffic I've ever tried. Maybe for some people, or maybe for TGP filler or whatever it may work, but like Erect Media says, their traffic looks very fishy. Out of 10000 hits I got 15 clicks on my pages and 90% of the traffic never stayed more than 0.0 seconds. I tried 5000 to a blog/hub page and 5000 to a gallery. The hub got 11 hits, the gallery 4 (not even the pics, nothing). Lesson learned I guess

btw, I've some credit there, and I don't even use it because I feel like I just handled them some free money.

Thanks for your comments Tamashi but please don't try to get a referral link in your response. Trafficholder quality isn't to great maybe if you have a tgp or something but with my testing of that traffic the quality is very low on tube websites. They send you blind traffic how is that going to be producitve traffic?

I heard that hitbots like BBW the best.

I have tried traffic holder for a few sites, I have had no conversions from their traffic. Over 20k over high productivity niched traffic with no success.

Very interesting because i spend a lot of money in trafficholder and i don't get any results very weird i allways buy with trafficholder by country and i select USA, like i said i don't get any signup so you said buy for domain right ?

I used Traffic Holder and they sent me a ton of traffic. The only problem is that is was all blind "skim" traffic. My bounce rate went through the roof, from 42% to 98%. So, yeah they send a lot of traffic but it's not quality traffic.

traffic holder traffic is a waste of time and money, the miost unproductive traffic i have ever bought.

These were exactly my thoughts. I bought Traffic from Trafficholder and my stats did not show one single user doing more than simply entering the page. It´s a personal german site and I bought swiss traffic. My own swiss traffic normally converts like crazy on that site.

well i did the test paid for it, then when it was over i thought, right now why the hell did i just waste that money?

no offence but u're traffic didnt seem very productive to me, quite a few people clicked some affiliate links of mine from ur test as well and the sites stats showed that 95% of them closed the window, which was great news.

i definately wont be purchasing any traffic from Traffic Holder ever again - i've tried it with so many different sites and pages over the last year and havent really seen any sucess at all.

[ATL]

I have purchased in the past and its really only good for feeder traffic, forget about conversions.

[Arnox]

I bought 2k "highprod_hq_pics" and got zero trial signups to a dating site.

Good traffic.

[TrafficHolder]

ErectMedia,

According to our logs, you didn't got any turkey or bad country click from us. I believe you got
it from another location.

Regarding reviews posted - in order to answer in a details, I found and reviewed accounts,
who post these reviews. Its seems all reviews are coming from buyers to webcam and paysites.

We even put message to our buying menu year or two ago, because we are tired of these complaints:
*DO NOT buy blind skimmed traffic directly to paysites!*

However, buyers still purchase blind skimmed traffic to paysites and webcam pages. Of course
they complain, they will never get good results with a skimmed traffic - at ANY traffic broker that
sells blind skimmed traffic. They complain about product, but they didn't choose product right for
their website.

As I mentioned earlier, only real-clicked traffic will be good for such type of sites. We will announce
such traffic soon. Skimmed traffic is good for free sites with a free content - MGP, TGP, tube sites.

Moreover, in order to get good productivity, some skills needed to buy correct traffic to well-done free site.

I will not comment your statement about 99.99% bots, because its making me smile )

Thank you,

Artem Guitz,
TH Media Supervisor
ICQ: 350-623-959

Call Us: +1 (213) 985-1003

[ErectMedia]

ErectMedia,

According to our logs, you didn't got any turkey or bad country click from us. I believe you got
it from another location.

site was brand new at the time so your traffic was the only coming in, luckily for you I believe I reset analytics before buying from traffic-out and if not then I'll be happy to post a screen shot to make you swallow your tongue, if I did reset it then the best I can do is post a webcams screenshot of thousands of hits with not even a free signup as bots usually can't join even if it is free.

Regarding reviews posted - in order to answer in a details, I found and reviewed accounts,
who post these reviews. Its seems all reviews are coming from buyers to webcam and paysites.

We even put message to our buying menu year or two ago, because we are tired of these complaints:
*DO NOT buy blind skimmed traffic directly to paysites!*

However, buyers still purchase blind skimmed traffic to paysites and webcam pages. Of course
they complain, they will never get good results with a skimmed traffic - at ANY traffic broker that
sells blind skimmed traffic. They complain about product, but they didn't choose product right for
their website.

As I mentioned earlier, only real-clicked traffic will be good for such type of sites. We will announce
such traffic soon. Skimmed traffic is good for free sites with a free content - MGP, TGP, tube sites.

Moreover, in order to get good productivity, some skills needed to buy correct traffic to well-done free site.

I understand the difference between skimmed and clicked traffic and understand clicked traffic is much higher quality, I also understand the difference between the productivity of skimmed and bot traffic and botnet traffic is what you delivered. My order specified US traffic and I received turkey etc...

I will not comment your statement about 99.99% bots, because its making me smile )

feels good to rip people off I guess, what your saying is that everyone I quoted is wrong, notice others using the word bots when they describe your traffic, if it was skimmed they would say low productivity not bots which equals 0% productivity, I could post quite a few more but I think my point was made, when 1 guy complains maybe he is crazy, when 50+ complain pretty obvious who the bullshitter is, notice someone I quoted tried your traffic test to find the right traffic for their site and still was unsatisfied as the bots run rampant through your whole system. I have been analyzing statistics every day across 1800 domains for 8 years straight. I have brokered domains well into 6 figures so stats analysis is what I do. Spin your bullshit but statistics and multiple poor reviews don't lie. I have never asked for a refund as my honest review along with others reviews show who is on bullshit and saving innocent victims is enough payback for me.

[SCLN]

Thanks everyone for your responses! It appears that Traffic Holder is getting very mixed reviews, but I also haven't heard many great alternatives. I appreciate TrafficHolder jumping in and at least defending the quality of their traffic, as many companies wont even respond to threads relevant to their business practices. ErectMedia, you seem to be very knowledgeable in buying traffic and reading analytics, and unlike TrafficHolder, you appear to be an unbiased third party, which gives you a bump in my book. you mentioned traffic-out and claim that it has worked very well for you, im guessing because all traffic is brought in from relevant text links. I'm definitely going to give them a try. I'm also really interested to see for myself if TrafficHolder is actually sending bots or real traffic....so I figure Ill shell out the $50 to give both a try and compare the results for myself. I'll come back and share my results in a week or so after I've had the time to compare. Also, if anyone has any other traffic sources they'd like to share, I'm all ears. Thank everyone!

[ErectMedia]

never announce when you are going to test someone as they may send you premium just for review purposes especially if your username matches your account name there, no referral links, some are in my sig if you want to use them...

clicked text ads are the best and my favorite is...

http://www.traffic-out.com/

traffic-out wont send you a gazillion hits like skimmed can but the quality is very high and I'll take quality over quantity anyday

these 2 work the same if you run a run of the network ad where it shows across their network or you can buy individually from sites in their directory you like, I run across the whole network at blacklabelads and then just delete the sites sending clicks I don't like which takes a little work but good to trim it down to the most productive sites or better matching sites to your niche as no sense getting hits from gay sites if you don't sell gay etc...

http://www.juicyads.com/
http://www.blacklabelads.com/

I haven't used this one since 2003 or 2004 but it was good then and I don't hear complaints about it, he has those instant messenger pop-ups that can work for cam sites, I'll give him a run soon but I doubt he would still be rocking after all these years if it was garbage

http://www.chokertraffic.com/

there are a few others I have messed with but I don't think I have a strong enough opinion one way or the other to comment yet, testing traffic-out versus traffic holder isn't really a fair test as traffic-out is clicked text links where traffic holder is supposedly skimmed so you would need to test traffic holder against another skim provider, honestly I can't see throwing money at traffic holder unless you work there and in a week you intend to post that it beat a clicked text link provider which is impossible, just pay me the $50 and I'll quote another 50 people that use bot and traffic holder in the same paragraph, good luck in your testing.

[SCLN]

ErectMedia, thanks alot for the insight and suggestions, it's all very much appreciated. I will make sure and check out all your suggestions and give a few of them a try....it's nice to have options. Thanks again!

[beerptrol]

I bought 2k "highprod_hq_pics" and got zero trial signups to a dating site.

Good traffic.

did u send it directly to the site?
In my experience skimmed traffic like that from TH is best used as feeder traffic and should not be used to send directly to a paysite or a landing page

[TrafficHolder]

ErectMedia, we can look to it deeper, but it will take much time - I'm not sure if you need it.

I can provide you list of IPs you have received from us, you can compare these lists
with your logs, so you will see that no turkey traffic delivered to your website from us.

If you have a referrer of Turkey traffic in your logs, you can easily check if this source
is selling traffic to Traffic Holder.

Anyway, I understand your frustration and appologize for that.

However, I will never agree that you received "bot" traffic. Our major buyers
earn much at *fresh* dating sites, because they getting a lot of sign-ups (they
purchase about 1 mln clicks per day and earn 2-3X more than they spending on
traffic). I know these buyers personally and know their results, because I chat
with them on a regular basis.

If you do a little test - buy US mainstream traffic to free gay website and to
free mainstream website, you will see much more clicks at mainstream website. If
bots able to determine if thumbs are gay or mainstream?

We operate 15 mln clicks daily, do you think we have no idea how bots work?
Do you think you may track bots better than we can? I doubt.

Do you think buyers spending about million dollars monthly on traffic on a regular basis and
still not satisfied with traffic?

You will find a lot of bad reviews about ANY company in the world, including paypal,
epassporte, google, microsoft, chokertraffic and any other. Few percents of
customers are always not satisfied. The larger company is - the more unsatisfied
clients they have. Its normal.


Thank you.
Artem Guitz,

TH Supervisor
+1 (213) 985-1003

http://trafficholder.com/

[Arnox]

However, I will never agree that you received "bot" traffic. Our major buyers
earn much at *fresh* dating sites, because they getting a lot of sign-ups (they
purchase about 1 mln clicks per day and earn 2-3X more than they spending on
traffic). I know these buyers personally and know their results, because I chat
with them on a regular basis.

Well that doesn't exactly follow with the traffic I bought now does it?

[teg0]

tried them multiple times, never really had any good luck with them.

[TrafficHolder]

Teg0, buying traffic to tube site where you require to register in order to watch videos
needs some adjustment in choosing traffic sources. I would suggest you to use
our testing system to find the best ones for your website.

Arnox,
Its not enough to buy 3.5K of traffic to see join percentage to your dating site.
In order to see real results you should buy at least 100K to see the results.
However, you may try skimmed traffic from protraffic or trafficshop instead,
you will get the same (or even worse) results. Dating site or page should be highly
optimized for adult skimmed traffic as well. Normally I speak about SEX dating, the dating
website that promises to surfer sex (like sexsearch.com), not just "dating", our
traffic works very well for fresh and well done sites of this type.

[u-Bob]

just means they don't analyze traffic like I do called blind buying, just from 1 page of search results, I can probably find a few hundred more...

I analyze my traffic, every aspect of it. And I can say I'm making some nice $$ using TrafficHolder's traffic.

[armus]

I tried about 10k of uniques from there for my picture gallery, 30% of the traffic really worked like average 1 visitor generated 5 clicks,, i do not know the others but if you find your match at there i think the best way to get a 1k unique for /$3-4

[HandballJim]

I tried trafficholder, protraffic, and chokertraffic...and they all seem okay. But I was hoping for better results, sign ups and sales. Also it seemed to work better buying traffic at the end of the month. Will most likely use them all again...

I think if your trying to promote a new website go for it.

[2intense]

very bad quality of traffic

i bought it many times,i made 0 salles and i bought targeted traffic not general.i stop to buy long time ago

[TrafficHolder]

2intense,

Its seems, the most bad reviews coming from buyers to webcam sites and paysites.

I see you also bought traffic to the page where you advertise webcams. Unfortunately,
its not so easy to get webcam sales with skimmed traffic. Its even difficult to get
free sign-up with skimmed traffic, just because skimmed traffic come to your website
from a movie porn website with a lot of free content.

However, I know few buyers who can convert skimmed traffic at their paysites and
webcams, but their page is highly optimized for skimmed traffic. Their page is so
attractive, so traffic sales ratio is very high with skimmed traffic (they even told me,
sign-up ratio was close to google adwords and I personally not expected that at all).
They buying traffic for about $60000-90000 per month (as much as we can deliver
with their filtration settings), so they have high numbers to compare.

Let me give you one hint:

1) Make your page *very attractive* for average surfer that has access to a tons
of free porn with just one click.

2) Promise him something he wouldn't get for free.

3) Promise him something he wouldn't get anywhere else.

And it works - earn money now!

[ThumbLord]

what Artem tried to explain, just re-read it please.

just read what u-Bob stated:
"I analyze my traffic, every aspect of it. And I can say I'm making some nice $$ using TrafficHolder's traffic."

On a personal note, if you know how to use the traffic buy it, if not ...... just leave it.
my 2 eurocents = about 3 dollar cents?

[HandballJim]

2intense,

Its seems, the most bad reviews coming from buyers to webcam sites and paysites.

I see you also bought traffic to the page where you advertise webcams. Unfortunately,
its not so easy to get webcam sales with skimmed traffic. Its even difficult to get
free sign-up with skimmed traffic, just because skimmed traffic come to your website
from a movie porn website with a lot of free content.

However, I know few buyers who can convert skimmed traffic at their paysites and
webcams, but their page is highly optimized for skimmed traffic. Their page is so
attractive, so traffic sales ratio is very high with skimmed traffic (they even told me,
sign-up ratio was close to google adwords and I personally not expected that at all).
They buying traffic for about $60000-90000 per month (as much as we can deliver
with their filtration settings), so they have high numbers to compare.

Let me give you one hint:

1) Make your page *very attractive* for average surfer that has access to a tons
of free porn with just one click.

2) Promise him something he wouldn't get for free.

3) Promise him something he wouldn't get anywhere else.

And it works - earn money now!

Some good tips, thanks

[TrafficHolder]

I appreciate your support, Thumblord. Thank you.

Yes, unfortunately, average buyer expects shitload of sign-ups just by making
very average page, put some average ads and buy some average traffic.

If it would be so easy, then everyone would have done it. But it isn’t easy - you
need skills and fresh mind to earn by just buying traffic.

I will probably add one more tip I forgot to add to my previous post:

* Try Fresh (or, at least, not overused) Ideas.

Thank you,

Artem Guitz,
TH Media Supervisor
ICQ: 350-623-959

http://trafficholder.com/
Call Us: +1 (213) 985-1003

[Arnox]

Arnox,
Its not enough to buy 3.5K of traffic to see join percentage to your dating site.
In order to see real results you should buy at least 100K to see the results.
However, you may try skimmed traffic from protraffic or trafficshop instead,
you will get the same (or even worse) results. Dating site or page should be highly
optimized for adult skimmed traffic as well. Normally I speak about SEX dating, the dating
website that promises to surfer sex (like sexsearch.com), not just "dating", our
traffic works very well for fresh and well done sites of this type.

Fallacious to say the least, what the fuck are you talking about?

It doesn't matter if I'm a big balling traffic buyer or a small time guy - stats are stats. I bought 2'000 "high prod" advert clicks and got 1 trial. That's $8 in adverts for 1 trial join. Say at the very least you have a 1:20 ratio from trials to paid accounts (which doesn't happen) you're looking at $160 in ads for 1 sign up, this is profitable how?

[darksoul]

oddly enough, or not, most people that complain only bought small amounts of traffic.
I would advice everyone to read this up first: The Poisson Distribution Revisited: The Mathematics of Signup Ratios

[u-Bob]

oddly enough, or not, most people that complain only bought small amounts of traffic.
I would advice everyone to read this up first: The Poisson Distribution Revisited: The Mathematics of Signup Ratios

good read

[Arnox]

oddly enough, or not, most people that complain only bought small amounts of traffic.
I would advice everyone to read this up first: The Poisson Distribution Revisited: The Mathematics of Signup Ratios

If you had any grasp of statistics you'd know that there is absolutely no need to use Poisson Distribution when calculating the probability of someone joining your site based on previous factors.

Binomial distribution is a hell of a lot quicker and much more appropriate.

Let's have a rule of thumb that traffic converts at 1:500. Therefore, every time someone hits your site there is a 0.002 of that person becoming a member.

Probability of success on trial: 0.002
Num trial: 2000
Number of successes: 1
Probably that X is 1 \< = 98%

Now in the 4000 hits I've bought from Traffic Holder (I've bought some before) I had gained a total of 2 trial joins. That's a free trial too btw.

That's a ratio of 1:2000 on trials. Or $8 per trial account. The maths doesn't come in to this; I could buy 100k traffic, check the results and create a normal distribution and calculate the probability of a person signing up but it's pretty clear that the traffic from Traffic Holder is shit. If I can only get 1 trial in every 2000 hits, what are the chances of this actually being profitable for webmasters?

TrafficHolder; either I've had a Z score of 2.9* in respect to chance or you give poor traffic to those who do not buy a lot of clicks. I'd really love to talk to any of the webmasters who buy bulk traffic from you - I know for a fact that the traffic I buy from you isn't even close to being on a 90% loss margin.

[TrafficHolder]

Arnox,

1) As I mentioned in a previous post, ordinary dating is not working well for skimmed
traffic now, its overused for skimmed traffic.

2) Sexual oriented dating should work better, but also I'm not sure if its possible to earn
much on it now. Year ago it was fresh idea and it was possible to earn 3-4x more than you spending on traffic.

3) I told that 2K is not enough to see real conversions, however, I do not think you will
get better results if you buy even 100K to your website.

4) The website should be optimized in a way as I described before. If you can't -
do not purchase traffic (at least skimmed) if you are focused on sales.

5) Skimmed traffic possible to convert, but its difficult, thats why its cheap.

6) Do not expect shitload sign-ups with ordinary paysite, ordinary webcam or
ordinary dating site. You will spend more on traffic, than earn. Re-read my
tips to get real success in buying skimmed traffic.

7) I will add one more tip: filter traffic you purchase - by language settings,
by country and by referrer (source). TrafficHolder sending traffic from a lot
of sources/referrers. Analyse sign-up ratio from each source and filter out
sources if their traffic conversion is bad.

Thanks,

Artem Guitz
http://trafficholder.com/

[Arnox]

Another problem with your site; where the traffic comes from.

I've had a good wad of hits delivered from you guys that are from sites that are clearly made for CP, it's disgusting.

I'd post the names but I don't want to get banned - if I knew I'd be getting linked from those types of sites I'd have never bought traffic from you, it's so wrong.

[TrafficHolder]

Arnox,

We have few TEXT sites in database where they use descriptions like:
(little virgin teens, youngest angels, extreme young teens, barely legal), however
all content is free hosted galleries linked to CCBILL and to legal teen site with
18 U.S.C. Section 2257 Compliance Notice

While content and website is legal, we do not forbide them to use our services.

Sometimes we receive abuse to "very young looking thumbs", then we contact website
owner, and request gallery URL, then we contact sponsor who provides such content and
review Custodian of Records. Sometimes "very young looking" thumb linked to FHG gallery
where you clearly see that the model is much older.

In some cases, at our discretion, we ask webmaster to remove thumb or text
description from his website even if its looks legal and linked to legal content

You may contact us with a URL in a question, so we will deeply review it.

Thank you,

Artem Guitz,
TH Media Supervisor
ICQ: 350-623-959

http://trafficholder.com/
Call Us: +1 (213) 985-1003

[Arnox]

You forgot to include these:

secretlittlegirl
tinylittletaboo
extremeyoungest
superlittlegirl

Says a lot about the ethics of your company if you're willing to profit from people who are seeking for child pornography

[TrafficHolder]

Arnox,

We are not fully satisfied with these descriptions/titles, however, website
host clearly teen content, advertise legal teen websites and hosted at
large US hosting company. We do not see anything illegal at the website
in question, other traffic brokers accept traffic from these websites
as well (I see return URLs linked to other well-known brokers)

You may block these websites at your buying filters. We will contact seller with
a request to update/edit these titles.

Thank you,

Artem Guitz,
TH Media Supervisor
ICQ: 350-623-959

http://trafficholder.com/
Call Us: +1 (213) 985-1003

[teg0]

Teg0, buying traffic to tube site where you require to register in order to watch videos
needs some adjustment in choosing traffic sources. I would suggest you to use
our testing system to find the best ones for your website.

Not that cool to mention one of the ways I've used your traffic when all I said is that i hadn't had that great of luck.

I'll try again, but seriously... not cool to do that. Give your customers a little bit of privacy.

[TrafficHolder]

Teg0,

Your privacy is important to us, and as such, we do not share or distribute contact information or client information with or to any company or person for any reason.

Any information that you share with us will not be used in any way other than to
respond to your inquiries , process your orders, and send you system information
regarding your account.

We do not publish exact URLs, however, we may use some information if its needed
to respond your inquiries.

TH staff will not share or publish any communication logs. Customer Service requests
history, Live Chat, ICQ and e-mail requests are strictly confidential.

Thank you,

Artem Guitz,
TH Media Supervisor
ICQ: 350-623-959

http://trafficholder.com/
Call Us: +1 (213) 985-1003

[Kylee Sands]

ErectMedia - for those of us that are new to this business, can you give us some idea of how (what tools, methods, etc) you are using to track traffic that closely.

If you don't want to share here, I totally understand. You can hit me up on ICQ if you can give me some advice.

Many thanks!!
Kylee

[hardjoko]

I do not think it's fair to compare traffic holder with traffic-out. It's 2 different animal. Have you compare traffic holder with other skimmed traffic seller?

[hardjoko]

Is traffic out still around?

[beerptrol]

I do not think it's fair to compare traffic holder with traffic-out. It's 2 different animal. Have you compare traffic holder with other skimmed traffic seller?

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