the real reason tgp traffic wont convert

[JJJ]

If you really want to know why tgp traffic doesnt convert, its because peoples galleries are too fucking clean!

I see pages everyday that have hardly any sponsors or the ads that are on the page would never get clicked.

I make all my own gallery pages to make money, if certain tgps wont list them, then I can live without their traffic. Doesn't make any sense to me to post pages to sites that do nothing but eat up bandwidth.

A few blind link ads or good pulling banners are a must. You dont need blind thumbs or other shit, just a few good descriptive ads.

JJJ http://www.pornno.com/habit/postmail.html

[Brian]

JJJ, I notice you sell traffic to tgp's as well. What's your asking price?

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[Susan]

Perhaps you should also realise that the top TGP's are home to hardened freeloaders and underage porn seekers.

[MrBrian]

people make clean galleries to get listed...

i have a guy making movie galleries for me

4 1.2 meg mpegs and he only gets listed on 20% of the sites he submits. i dont understand it. i host the movies, its not like its on a free host or anything and i guarantee the speed is faster than most people see.

[stangster]

JJJ - How about posting just ONE of the galleries I've sent yah so I can see what kind of traffic you have.

[rhizome]

A greater percentage of "underage porn seekers" use the search engines . . .

[JJJ]

stangster, send me a url and i will post it.

susan, your right there are a lot of freeloaders and minors out there, but still alot of good traffic.

mr brian, i would love to post movie pages like that, can you send me a few urls on his or her behalf.

JJJ

[Tam]

stangster.... he's got pretty damn good traffic..... hasn't listed me in awhile but when he did, I got some nice traffic from JJJ.......

JJJ.... we have people telling us how many ads we can put on a gallery, who we and can't use as sponsors, can't use this, won't use that.... it's becoming a racket.

I run a tgp and as long as they don't throw me popups, I don't give a dman how many ads they have, what sponsors they use or even if they blindlink the shit out their pics as long as they have 10 good pics...... the trouble is anymore though, people are so "used" to doing them clean anymore that there isn't many coming my way like this.

I am one of these people who thinks that if you can make money with it, use it.... if it's a dialer or whatever, I don't care...... more power to the webmasters...... giving everything away for free is just losing us time and money. I made a gallery the other day with 3 banners, all to the same place and 16 pics and very few listed it.... and I did the whole recip thing and everything... but still no dice.

People just need to lighten up a bit on their rules, but then haven't we all been trying to do this for awhile now? I don't think some of the big boys are even considering lightening up.


Tam

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[JJJ]

Tam, I agree with you. For me, as long as the gallery works, pics that is, no popups or blind linked thumbnails, its good enough for me.

yep, some big tgps are never going to change the rules...there are way too many submits to choose from, shit i get well over 2000 a day. I actually try to pick those with the best content.

JJJ

[fredicus]

LOL !
JJJ, you know very well that for hand built / hand submitted galleries, one has to go for the greatist common acceptance, Clean galleries !
It's true that making slight variations of pages for Some tgp's is unavoidable, ( I'm thinking here of those tgp's that won't post the big AP picbans ), and it's a small minority that accept Any blindlinking.

Tam,
whilst the industry standard (currently) is 5-1 pics to banners, the tgp's are squeezing it higher
For any gallery under 18 pics I only put 2 outlinks ( recips excluded ).
Getting listed is My Living, and it's hard.





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[Tam]

fredicus.... that's all I usually use..... but lately I have been trying some new things just to see who will list them and who won't.... and now we have this "pay me for a toplisting"..... good grief, aren't we doing enough jumping thru hoops anyways now as it is?

There are a couple that told me they would not list my galleries depending on the sponsors I used....... I stopped submitting to them...... I know they have alot more to choose from but good grief, give a girl a break here......

I am by no means a big player in any of this.... but there are things that I simply won't do and one of those things are allowing others to tell me who I can and cannot use to make my money with..... that's like choosing my friends for me or something. It ain't happening. LOL

I figure I work hard enough to hand make them and hand submit them.... if they don't list them then I remove that recip and move on to someone who will... I am NOT giving them my best pics or more than I have to...... LOL

Tam

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[Susan]

rhizome

I think you are a little out of touch. I have a teen daughter who has teen boyfriends and guess what these little boys talk about at school - all the kick ass TGP sites found over the weekend.

[JJJ]

Fredicus, of course cleaner pages will get excepted more likely than one that isnt, but more important about being clean is the quality of the content on the page...too many webmasters use the same content over and over or the freebee pics given out by sponsors.

I am not talking about spending a fortune on content, but a small investment in some good fresh content can make a huge difference, not only in getting listed, but in making sales from your galleries.

JJJ

[rhizome]

18 pics and 2 outlinks - that's crazy! I agree with JJJ - it all comes down to maximizing your ROI - if that means only getting listed on half the TGPs then so be it. I no longer build galleries with more than 15 pics and less than 6 outlinks to sponsors. For me the #1 rule of TGP submitting is to ignore the rules!

Susan, for every 5 teens visiting TGPs every day, there must be at least 10 without a clue plugging in keywords in search engines or typing URLs into their address bar.

[Jensel]

I don't think that this is the real jjjtgp. Maybe a fraudster... call me over paranoid, but something just doesn't sit right.

Of course, I apologise if it is the real jjjtgp... but ya know, can't help but have suspicions... don't ask me why, just a general feeling that I get. I'm sure that there is a way to find out...

Again, I apologise if it is the real jjjtgp.

[JJJ]

Jensel: its me...i wonder what would make you think its not.

I know that tanker can verify it.

JJJ

[Jensel]

note to self: shut the fuck up

[lynch1000s]

I believe it's him

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[sweetjimmy]

people shouldn't be posting so much hardcore pics. If people can get all the hardcore pics they want why are they gonna pay for a paysite? That especially goes for people on 56k. Which is still 60-70% of surfers.

Another thing all this tgp traffic is recycled from other tgp's. The scripts they use redirect surfers to other tgps so its really just the same surfers doing loops looking at advertising they've already seen before.

[JJJ]

lynch1000s, email Parney G [email protected] they handle my advertising...i am not sure who handles stuff for zilla.

sweetjimmy, there are alot of tgps that cj there traffic, but not all of them. you just need to stick to the ones that send you good hits back.

As far as hardcore pics, i dont notice any decrease in signups with whatever type of pics i use. the key is what type of the ads you use with the pics. galleries should be teasers, but there is always more and better quality stuff at paysites and thats what the surfer needs to know.

JJJ

[MrBrian]

jjj- whats your email address and i will send you about 10 galleries. if you dont want to post it on the board, just email me

thanks, brian
[email protected]

[magnatique]

make it look good before making it look clean...


Once, I had a gallery with 15 links, and 16 pictures..

it got over 250K/hits


it's all about how you make it look...

it doesn't need to be dirty, and it doesn't need to look clean..

Hun once told me " sorry, your galleries Look good, but I prefer having more pics, and less ad targetted galleries"

well, I said fine man, but I can't change the way I sell my shit for one big tgp, no matter how big it is... so I kept doing my shit the same way I did...

then I got 3 or 4 days in a row a mail from hun saying one of my gallery got added..


see, be borderline, and it'll pay off that's my motto.... I design for my sales, and hope to get good listing...

[Gemini]

Tam you're depressing me gf! lol I can barely keep up with our non recip galleries let alone trying to build additional ones to get listed with jjj and the like. It would be nice to be able to be accepted at all of the big sites, but w/o that recip... Oh well.

Some tgp's seem to like our gals. We won't go for that BS that we have to have more pics or additional tgp recips. Alot of ours are 10 pics, 2 banners and one text link. Some have 12 or even up to 18 but not all by any means. We just got a load of fresher content so we'll be testing jjj's theory.

I *have* noticed very few tgp's have the correct meta info etc to work with the kiddie strainers. Wonder just WHY that is?? Hmm??

[aprilkorova]

LOL JJJ!
We aren't converting cuz they're too clean? That is hilarious considering that the vast majority of them reject you for not being clean enough. It is soooooo hard to make money at TGPs as is without, as many have said before, all of the strict rules. They tell us which hosts we can or can't use, which sponsors, how many text links, no text links, no banners, only banners, proportions of pics to banners, no blind links, yes to blind links, blah, blah, blah. And the difference in rules between them are staggering.

Unless we want to just submit to one TGP, and according to them, we may only submit one, every day or two, than we must design for the lowest common denominator.

And now they are started to charge us to place us in a position that we even have a chance at making money? It's getting out of hand. I have fairly strong feelings about how to make cash in this biz (doesn't mean I am yet LOL), and TGPs just don't add up to me.

Having said that, If I change my mind and continue to try, which I most likely will (hate quitting anything till I'm succesful at it LOL), hope you won't hold this little rant against me, I'm not talking about you specifically, just the genre in general.

I know that your's is more lenient than most and I thank you for that, but....

If we are, as you stated, to buy higher quality material (a lot of money for TGPs) and more ads that we know are going to get rejected by most than where does that leave us? Like most of the time...in the hole.

We already provide them with content and supply the bandwidth. That should be enough.
I understand that they want their surfers to be pleased, but shit, do we really need to pleasing free loaders? Shouldn't we just be teasing them into going for their wallets?

Rant over....could ya tell I've had a bad week with TGPs? LOL

[stevent03147]

JJJ,

Thanks for taking the time to post the great info...I've been scratching my head for a couple weeks trying to decide if I wanted to post to TGPs again. I did well with persiankitty one time but the clicks didn't justify the bandwidth... Now I have some more great info to work with...well back to work hard...I'm still a "young" "WM" so I still work the regular job in addition to maintaining two domains...

Can't wait to get my T-Shirt...lol

Gemini..where do you get your wisdom from? Is there a thread that we newbies can read to get aquainted? I enjoy reading your posts... C yall

Steve

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[Gemini]

Thank you Steven! It comes from the school of hard knocks, 40+ years of living and listening to my InJun old man rant about net sites. lol And it doesn't hurt that we have been webmasters in various ways since 96 and online since 94. Haven't been back in the adult arena long after a foray with the straight sites for others tho.

Seems things have changed greatly. It used to be that tgp site owners would just about come kiss your behind to get submissions. Looks like they are getting abit high and mighty. If we all do NOT submit they are dead in the water. GOBs.

Personally, I'd tell ANY owner who asked for $$ to place us to kiss my *ss and rot. TGP conversions is iffy at best and the conversions are like 1:4000 in alot of cases. Like was mentioned the surfers there are alot of AOL hardcore freebie expecting sons of idiots and even worse. lmbo BUT we have to post to them to try for the unexpected conversion or hopefully get that ratio for clickthrus. We just did one page that got 4000+ clicks on a clickthru but don't get paid since its a 1:650 program. We're about to start using java to prevent them saving the pics unless they are smart enough to bypass the no right click. lol

TagLine: Wow did *I* say that?!

[magnatique]

conversions aren't that bad

otherwize, why would they have SOOO many submits....

10% clickthru is concidered kick as...

then, to get a satisfying 5 signups, you'd need AT least 200,000 visitors..

now, most do under 5%, 5% beeing a good clickthrough..

you'd need 400,000 visitors..

Now, 5 signups is OK, but a good one gets you 10-15 signups....

now, that'd be 800,000-1,200,000 visitors..

Now, some people do 30+ signups/day


hehe just saying it CAN convert better... most of the time it does, just have to find your sweet spot... for me, I can't put a banner, thumbs, banner... that gets me shitty sales (maybe 1/4000 there)

but I make "page ads", as in no banners, text links and descriptive text, etc..., I get under 1/500 most of the time...


The guru's out there that make 30+/day DO make full page ads, and I can't tell what makes them get so many signups


once, I told my buddy one of the gallery he hosted didn't look good... he got over 50 signups with it on Hun I believe (long time ago)

anyways, I'll stop, or I'll keep on blabbing for the whole night

[Gemini]

Keep blabbing but make a point with more details! You stated alot of things but didn't give enuff detail to follow thru with (to use ourselves)! lol

[hounddog]

What would you folks consider a good click through rate in say, click throughs per 1000 page views.

[Dom]

I make my galleries to sell signups not to please the tgp owners . Less listing but better ratios . When you pay your bandwitch it is very important .

[rhizome]

mag, post the link to your TGP article - I think it's great and would help a lot of people but I don't have the URL handy.

[magnatique]

wow, gemini, you are so right... I wrote, and wrote... was all clear in my head.. just re-read myself, not saying a damn thing

really, all I said is that 1/4000 is not true if it's a gallery you made by hand, with your own design(not banner/thumbs/banner)... and that people were doing good doing with page ads...

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G rhiz, you make it sound like I know the solution to it all... I'm still the one that is looking for better ways to do it

hehe but anyways, here it is:
http://www.freenudegalleries.com/guide/

if it can help a few... gimme feedbacks

[Red7]

I remember the old days where i would submit to jjj or adult buffet, at the time they were at like 40-50k in traffic, but that traffic back then converted 20 times better then any tgp now days, i used CE pics on html pages with 2 banners per PIC! lol now look at the way things are? And you all wonder why conversions are so bad..lol Well it's not that funny but the market now is flooded with webmaster compitition that we are all just shitting are money out of are asses compared to the way things used to work.

In short if i were a Surfer i would never need to join any pay site, you have to look at it on a surfers level, why pay? unless you have the 1- in 10,000 surfer that has a time management priorities and has the platinum card and wants to see some get-off-shit quick! but those ones are hard to find.. most are freeloading to find the site that gives the most for free, and yes there is now so many FREE FREE sites that show all except interactive 1-on-1 sex shows and other niche perks on pay sites, maybe we all should try to sell those features as trying to sell a surfer Look we have 150k in pics. well that surfer just came from worldsex and just looked at 10k in pics and got off 5 times and is bored with the site.

So new ideas on sales like Mag said earlier is a good idea. .. ok let's here any feedback on this. as JJJ is one of the 1-2 sites i ever posted 2 in 1997.


..nuff.. said......

Oh this is a add-on..Turn the rules around to where if you dont have html pages you wont get listed ..lol.. wont ever happen but if it did all webmasters would make 70% more money then they are now as you would have many more options on advertising techniques.

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[MrBrian]

mag-
you spend WAY too much time making a gallery lol

i focus on ONE thing and that is content
good content = good signups

i have a 1:116 signup ratio and make over 500 signups a month just from 20 galleries a month

my galleries look like shit but the content is there(at least i think its good content)

[phon]

magnetique
in your guide you talk about templates
does this mean that you make a new html file for every tgp you submit to ?
i'm new to tgps, i still have to submit my first gallery and want to do it right

thx,
phon

[wiZd0m]

Hey MrBrian, submit a gallery or 2 here, i'll post them myself on my TGP [email protected]
If you use the form, then I won't know it was from you.

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[DarkJedi]

HELLO ! AM I FUCKING MISSING SOMETHING HERE ???

JJJ says that any gallery (w/o blind thumbs and pop-ups) will do for him, yet he doesnt post Free Hosted galleries any more. I Don't get it. JJJ used to be my hero TGP.

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[Les - HBC]

Wow:
Learning a lot reading these reply's
I run Hardbody Cafe tgp...
I have to agree with most of you about the rules some of these tgp's use...
I myself don't post to most of them because I don't have the time to figure their rules out..LOL

As for HBC the rules are simple....
10 thumbnails "no blind linked thumbnails"
most go to .jpg files (but if your gallery is good I will let them go to .html files...)

most don't because of cheating webmasters they like to changed them and add consoles to the .html pages.

You can submit once aday(running two days behind on listing them)

you promote who you want (I really don't care)

I do require a reciprocal link...

and ofcoarse the rest of the rule
No c/p, animalsex you know them all....
you can see the rest of the rules here http://www.hardbodycafe.com/submit.html

To the comment that tgp traffic doesn't convert..
I believe that if you work at any traffic you can get it to convert. its just figuring out what works for the type of surfer your dealing with... I'm not a big Guy when it comes to this whole tgp thing but I do ok
getting the surfer to buy things I'm selling
and to me that's the most important thing
that way I pay my bills and keep my wife happy
LOL

You all Have a great day...
and make lots of money
Later


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[JJJ]

Yep, I had to ban freehosts for the most part, but that is due to cheaters. I still will list freehost galleries, but only from people I know, that wont redirect on me.

I want to get a bot or something that would check the links on my site, but I havent been able to find one, anyone know where to get one?

JJJ

[Les - HBC]

Hey JJJ

about that Bot....
Talk to Mike an bryan at x-3.net
they wrote the one I use on HBC...

if you can't get ahold of them let me know
Later

[magnatique]

brian, not true...
did you ever made 5,000$ with ONE gallery?

Ok, I'm not THERE yet but I know a few people that take time to make them, and made in the 4 digits with one gallery easy...

Hit me on ICQ biatch


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when I'm talking about templating, I mean automate whatever you can... either have a few files that you already have the headers with the recips, Or have a few files saved where you do a Mass REPLACE of KEY words... like <gallery> <Title> <body> etc...

[Wicked Temptress]

It's funny to see this topic come up because I was just discussing this very topic with another webmaster the other day. I make clean galleries, with 20 pictures, and I buy the content for these galleries. But a lot of places still won't list me, and I don't make very many sign-ups off of them either.

I submit daily, but can only manage to get 10-15,000 hits to my galleries per day. That's recip galleries only...I am not counting listings on the hun and other non-recip TGPs.....Maybe my galleries are too clean? Ads not good enough? Too few? *shrugs* I don't know....Perhaps someone could tell me what I'm doing wrong?

I'll post a few samples...

http://www.stynk.com/amateur/sex4you...ch_23/sbp.html

http://www.stynk.com/amateur/sex4you...ch_22/sbp.html

http://www.stynk.com/amateur/sex4you...ch_23/sbp.html

Any help would be very much appreciated!


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[stangster]

thanks JJJ, I just posted one. (oh, and you can trust me )

[MrBrian]

mag-
i know you didnt make 5k with one gallery
if you did, its over the course of 3 years lol

[Sleazy_P_Martini]

?

[Robert]

jjj,
I can give you my link validator.
it is able to find 302 (redirects), 404, ...
and I'll add "pop ups" check soon.
[email protected]

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