Fact: Adult business is Cams

[MrDeiz]

Webcam business is more profitable than paysites in terms of money made for site owners, webmasters and cam girls. Adult is cams now in terms of money, piracy in terms of content, content producers and porn models in terms of joke.

[Pineapplez]

What about the ruskies??

[fitzmulti]

"Film at Eleven, on your local independent broadcast station..."

[chaze]

Yeah, but the services to do pay cam stuff is hard to use and pricey.

I can see it being the next big thing but as for now most people are not willing to not be able to have their own sites with cams on them. Cams.com for example is not appealing for most site owners.

But to set up your own cam server is thousands.

[JSWENSON]

It would be stupid to set up your own cam site anyhow. Revshare pays a larger cut of profit than owning the site so if you trust the sponsor there is no need to invest in your own backend.

[adultmobile]

It would be stupid to set up your own cam site anyhow. Revshare pays a larger cut of profit than owning the site so if you trust the sponsor there is no need to invest in your own backend.

Setting up a paysite it was sure easier and cheaper: you buy content and it stays online there forever in member area and preview galls. With cams you need models to get paid a minimum or they all quit and your site is empty (like if your content self-delete itself unless viewed enough).

About adult business is cams: it is also adverts sold to gambling (non-usa traffic esp.), forex and binary option, "make money" or "get laid" training books and DVDs, some magic pills or herbal to be superman and live 110 years. Some dating (but is hard with pof and fb free options).

[American Psycho]

Fact: ur a tool

[MediaGuy]

Setting up a paysite it was sure easier and cheaper: you buy content and it stays online there forever in member area and preview galls. With cams you need models to get paid a minimum or they all quit and your site is empty (like if your content self-delete itself unless viewed enough).

You have a point. Which is why a system like www.2much.net is good, since you can use content from other sites who never "expire"... and even if they do, you still have content from other sites, as well as model archives, etc...

:D

[Jel]

just cookie stuff, it's the new black

[The Porn Nerd]

just cookie stuff, it's the new black

LOL

I'm sure it's Russia's fault somehow.

[LeRoy]

Sales to content sites are still solid

[Focus]

LOL

I'm sure it's Russia's fault somehow.

[Jel]

LOL

I'm sure it's Russia's fault somehow.

lol, doubtless

[balint]

That's true, cam sites are really good

[just a punk]

I'm sure it's Russia's fault somehow.

With no doubts

[MrDeiz]

serious business LOL

[iSpyCams]

Camsites - volume is higher, but margins are lower, you can actually lose money running a camsite if you aren't careful. And, you have to manage people on an ongoing basis which is something static pages don't have to worry about.

Let's say you use the standard cookie cutter rates for everything:

Performers at 50%
affiliates at 30%
processing like CCbill at 15% with a 5% hold for 6 months. - that's 100% right there.

So you need to find a way to cover all your overhead and personal expenses with that 5% hold and somehow defer those costs for 6 months, or you need to sell some add-ons or pay out less.

And you got scheduling, payroll, all kinds of stuff other sites don't have to worry about.

Pimping aint easy.

[adultmobile]

Performers at 50%
affiliates at 30%
processing like CCbill at 15% with a 5% hold for 6 months. - that's 100% right there.

Real cam sites is no ccbill, they got merchant account with no no hold and < 9% fees.
Streamate pays the models 30% not 50% (just US ones 35%), others pay some 40%. Also most revshares is 20% or 25% not 30% - some don't even give revshare (we don't for ex.) but cpa/ppl or pps only, and anyway most of new signups come from media buying, not from affiliates.

[xXXtesy10]

Webcam business is more profitable than paysites in terms of money made for site owners, webmasters and cam girls. Adult is cams now in terms of money, piracy in terms of content, content producers and porn models in terms of joke.

and you are part of the problem with piracy since you steal celebrity content. Pot meet kettle.

[xXXtesy10]

just cookie stuff, it's the new black

haha OP is no saint, rather, a self admitted crook. These threads are a joke just like SignFucks.

[American Psycho]

Camsites - volume is higher, but margins are lower, you can actually lose money running a camsite if you aren't careful. And, you have to manage people on an ongoing basis which is something static pages don't have to worry about.

Let's say you use the standard cookie cutter rates for everything:

Performers at 50%
affiliates at 30%
processing like CCbill at 15% with a 5% hold for 6 months. - that's 100% right there.

So you need to find a way to cover all your overhead and personal expenses with that 5% hold and somehow defer those costs for 6 months, or you need to sell some add-ons or pay out less.

And you got scheduling, payroll, all kinds of stuff other sites don't have to worry about.

Pimping aint easy.

I will pay you to NOT manage my sites.
that cost breakdown was totally wrong on every step, you have no odea what ur talking about.

+1 what adult mobile said.

[iSpyCams]

Real cam sites is no ccbill, they got merchant account with no no hold and < 9% fees.
Streamate pays the models 30% not 50% (just US ones 35%), others pay some 40%. Also most revshares is 20% or 25% not 30% - some don't even give revshare (we don't for ex.) but cpa/ppl or pps only, and anyway most of new signups come from media buying, not from affiliates.

I understand but I'm talking about people trying to get set up. They are not going to get a merchant account with no hold, and even if they did and could do it all for 9% in fees, what about gateway fees and customer service? The 15% charged by CCBill covers all of that, 24 hour phone support, email support and chargeback fees.

I don't use ccbill on my camsite because I need more freedom than they offer, but I pay for it, I don't think I'm ever under 15% once you factor in Customer Service related expenses.

[iSpyCams]

I will pay you to NOT manage my sites.
that cost breakdown was totally wrong on every step, you have no odea what ur talking about.

+1 what adult mobile said.

You owe me a lot of money then, since I've been "not managing" your sites for sometime.

And I am not interested in managing anyone's site but my own, so I'll gladly "not manage" as many sites as you are willing to pay me to stay away from.

In any case I'm glad to hear I am wrong, I do indeed pay performers 50% of tokens earned plus salaries and/or guaranteed minimums and Affiliates end up at around 30% so it's good to know I could get away with paying less.

[Barry-xlovecam]

The top 10 cam sites are turning over maybe $70 Million to $100 Million a month I would estimate.

Clearing 8% net of that handle pre-tax ain't too shabby ;)

[The Porn Nerd]

I hate drama and dealing with, you know, PEOPLE, so I say paysites all the way. Set 'n forget paysites, gimma a thousand of 'em over one cam studio. I may make less money but what I save in terms of stress, annoyance and overall bullshit is well worth it (to me).

[American Psycho]

You owe me a lot of money then, since I've been "not managing" your sites for sometime.

And I am not interested in managing anyone's site but my own, so I'll gladly "not manage" as many sites as you are willing to pay me to stay away from.

In any case I'm glad to hear I am wrong, I do indeed pay performers 50% of tokens earned plus salaries and/or guaranteed minimums and Affiliates end up at around 30% so it's good to know I could get away with paying less.

Cam sites with any decent revenues do not pay 15% to ccbill. Processors are scrambling to get them at 5% and then hire cheap labor to do cs.
thats like 9% you were off just on one part of the biz.

Sorry not to be a dick but thats just silly how you explained it imo. Whats your site mayne I can help you actually.

[American Psycho]

I hate drama and dealing with, you know, PEOPLE, so I say paysites all the way. Set 'n forget paysites, gimma a thousand of 'em over one cam studio. I may make less money but what I save in terms of stress, annoyance and overall bullshit is well worth it (to me).

Yea people are the hardest part of biz fr sure.
cause were all mind fucked one way or another

[signupdamnit]

Dating is still good but it's harder than the old days. You have plenty of fish now as well as Facebook.

I wish it weren't true but for affiliates paysites are about dead. You can't win with 1:3,000+ and a CTR under 1%. I wish I could sell paysites still like I sell dating. I'd be FAR richer. But that isn't reality except in fringe cases.

[VSKevin]

It would be stupid to set up your own cam site anyhow. Revshare pays a larger cut of profit than owning the site so if you trust the sponsor there is no need to invest in your own backend.

In many cases this rings true. Setting up your own solution is really a bitch, so starting up with a company who specializes in cams is the way to go. Equipment is expensive, getting models, retaining them, and fraud analysis are all key issues to think about when considering opening your own cam solution.

[adultmobile]

The top 10 cam sites are turning over maybe $70 Million to $100 Million a month I would estimate.
Clearing 8% net of that handle pre-tax ain't too shabby ;)

the top 10 cam sites combined? well cams.com which had public data after IPO is $60M a year or $5M/mo for cams part, let 2-3 sites do more than this, and other 2-3 do a little less... so a total $70-$100M/month for all top 10 cam sites may be the case. Fact is, there's like a dozen cam sites total, rest is semi-dead things doing less than $50k/mo, so whole cam business revenue may be hardly much more than $100M/mo.

Running an own cam site is some secret dream of many in fact many try, but most fail, which at least stops even more to even try, as they figure it is maybe not that dream. Having experience of running a pay site it can even make people more likely to fail cams, because unlikely someone who knows nothing and so starts from clean zero, someone who ran paysites and is confident, applies certain paysite logics to cams which is fatal.

For ex:

CONTENT: paysite content stays there forever after you uploaded, even if you have low or zero sales for a month, you can resume all ok by restart traffic. Instead cam girls must stay online and it's people and they will not stay online unless a continue flow of sales, once you have 3 weeks of no sales they quit and no more return and tell every other cam girl or studio that your site is dead with no traffic so you can't even signup anyone else, no content, have to change name of site. Also never think you can put into cam: porn actresses or photo models, this rarely works, it is different people.

SIZE, SCALE ECONOMY: you can keep up a paysite that makes just $1,000 a month, grow it with time. You can not keep up a cam site that makes less than let's say $50,000 a month (which is also what's asked min for merchant accounts normally), because if you make less than this, you can't have every 2 models online 24/7 for a month that are happy. So either a cam sites makes $100k/mo minimum, and keep stable with no empty periods, or more this cam site is cursed to death. I know of very small cam sites that are up for more than a year, so stable, but I am not sure these are more a profitable business or an expensive hobby of their owners. Like someone who run cam studios so after paid rent and stuff they worked for free, but they own a studio (cool to say this to friends).

HOPE IN AFFILIATES FOR %, NO ADS INVESTMENT: in cams, you can't do like with paysites (esp years ago) where you buy content, put in member area and fhg's, and wait ccbill affiliates to bring you traffic for %, slowly. A cam site must start big immediately to sustain the cam models from day 1 and every next day (or they quit your site, then your members quit because no models). Can't grow slowly or is empty of models, so you have to do a media buying of some $100,000's at launch (untill you have $50k/mo sales) - after which you may also have some affiliates, but will be a small part of revenues, take time to grow (our own program took years to have just few dozen of stable affiliates doing decent volume - first months was nearly no one), main traffic it is still is media buying, own sources.

So perhaps adult business is (mostly) cams, and this business may be still doing well in future (not treated by tubes, piracy or anything I know of) - however only a dozen of companies are there, and very difficult to enter there directly as a new cam site - most others are affiliates, or selling to cams ad space - or real/virtual cam studios. There who sells ad space may be tubes which is also an oligarchy of a dozen big guys