New Buy and Sell Forum Rules... Infractions will equal deleted posts

[Eric]

I am going to keep this simple.

If you are selling something you can post a thread about it.

1) If you are selling multiple items (Domains, Content sets, Blog Posts, Hardlinks, etc) all items should be placed in one thread. Multiple threads from the same user or the same company will result in the removal of all threads

2) You may bump ONE of your own threads per month. Excessive bumps will result in ALL threads being removed.

3) One thread per week per company or user. You have a bunch of things to sell, make one post about it, or wait till next week to sell your next item.

4) One thread per month per company or user for similar items. You may make one thread per month selling domains, content sets, blog posts, hardlinks, etc. Violation of this rule will result in the removal of all threads.

5) All other GFY rules must be followed in this section as well.

6) All content sales should be posted in the GFY Marketplace: http://gfy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=56

If you have any questions about the rules, ask them in this thread.

[Pornflix]

Hi Eric,

I admit I make multiple threads for many of my domains and combining them is a good idea but if everyone can only bump their thread once a month dont you think that will hurt the Sell and Buy forum?

I say that because once that happens the dates on the post will make the forum look like its not that active anymore and may turn people away.

If we are able to bump once a day like most forums do, it will still look like a very active forum.

The combining items for sale in one thread is a great idea, its just the once a month bump I think will really hurt us all.

Thanks Eric
Len

[Jolene_Devil]

Wow...this is agame changer. Also...what if it's something that has a constantly changing price or the contents change a lot? ya know...like a content package that you are running a quick sale special on or something? Or a package that you are always adding to? Just looking for clarification so I don't violate the ruels by accident. Thanks, in advance, for the input.

[Eric]

Hi Eric,

I admit I make multiple threads for many of my domains and combining them is a good idea but if everyone can only bump their thread once a month dont you think that will hurt the Sell and Buy forum?

I say that because once that happens the dates on the post will make the forum look like its not that active anymore and may turn people away.

If we are able to bump once a day like most forums do, it will still look like a very active forum.

The combining items for sale in one thread is a great idea, its just the once a month bump I think will really hurt us all.

Thanks Eric
Len

Keep in mind, if you have something specific to add to your thread, then that is not considered a BUMP. I will just leave it at that. I will keep an eye on this one too, and if I feel you guys can control yourselves, I may open it up to once a week, and then add more. But right now the excessive threads and bumping is out of control. So the abuse has created a noose, how loose the noose gets is really up to you guys.

Wow...this is agame changer. Also...what if it's something that has a constantly changing price or the contents change a lot? ya know...like a content package that you are running a quick sale special on or something? Or a package that you are always adding to? Just looking for clarification so I don't violate the ruels by accident. Thanks, in advance, for the input.

Then you can post in the thread that the price has changed. If you have a content package that you are adding to, then you should add to the initial thread.

Now if you are going to run a sale on a specific content package, I will allow you to post an additional thread that describes the sale you are running and then links to the existing thread that you have already posted. This type of activity will be monitored, excessive use of this will be considered abuse. So I suggest you use it wisely.

[Pornflix]

Keep in mind, if you have something specific to add to your thread, then that is not considered a BUMP. I will just leave it at that. I will keep an eye on this one too, and if I feel you guys can control yourselves, I may open it up to once a week, and then add more. But right now the excessive threads and bumping is out of control. So the abuse has created a noose, how loose the noose gets is really up to you guys.

Then you can post in the thread that the price has changed. If you have a content package that you are adding to, then you should add to the initial thread.

Now if you are going to run a sale on a specific content package, I will allow you to post an additional thread that describes the sale you are running and then links to the existing thread that you have already posted. This type of activity will be monitored, excessive use of this will be considered abuse. So I suggest you use it wisely.

Understood.
If ok, I will create a new thread of all my combined names for this month next week since I have more names to add.

Thanks Eric

[HomerSimpson]

Finally!!!

[hboy]

It's good to stop all the shit, but it's not good for the people that are selling a variety of items, different prices etc.

I feel you should make it one bump or one new thread per person per day. I can assure you now the Buy Sell Trade will be dead within the next couple of months if you stick to those rules, and if it's dead why would anyone have a reason to come to the forums any longer?

I understand forum owners have to put their foot down to stop people taking the piss, after all you've provided a free marketplace in which people can earn money from, but then you also have to realise it's the people that are posting for sale threads that are keeping the forum alive whether you like to agree with me or not.

The whole forum will be down the pan before you know it...

[AllAboutCams]

Thank fucking god!

[ottopottomouse]

Sounds good to me.

[adultchatpay]

Now it has come to order!

[adultchatpay]

Question: What if other users BUMP a particular thread?

[bluebook18]

good news

[PornDiscounts-V]

1) If I am selling blog posts personally, and I am selling advertising for LinkSpun.com professionally, would that warrant making two different threads for the two entirely different products?

I think the spirit of this first rule is to keep people from making 8 threads for content or 8 threads for domains instead of one thread selling them all. But wouldn't it be best to have the content and the domains in two different threads for the buyers to be able to find what they are looking for easier?

2) A month bump seems like a very long time. Like others have said the forum would go stale. It would be harder for buyers to find active products to buy, not easier. Something that is no longer available would be lumped together with stuff that is still available. Bumping keeps the available stuff on the first three pages. With this rule being so long a buyer might have to sort through many different pages trying to find what they want.

3) One thread a week seems pretty reasonable. But I know some domainers rely on speed. So if they get a domain and have to wait 5 days to make a thread about it they might start going elsewhere. Maybe doing it by a certain number a month?

4) See 3 above. This also might pertain to content brokers. Would them adding their new product to the bottom of a thread count as a bump or as something else? I think I read you might allow this as not being a bump but adding something relevant to the deal so long as we don't have something where a domainer bumps their thread each day of the week with a new domain... trickling them out. Although... I think bumping once a day is a good way of keeping the first three pages fresh with good offers.

Thanks for making the effort to tackle this problem!

[PornDiscounts-V]

Some more thoughts on using statistics to get a better idea of the scope of the problem.

Searching the DB for all threads from pages 1 to 5 (250) and seeing how many different authors made those threads. Is it 100? 200? or as little as 50? Knowing that hard number and looking for ways for those users to share equally the first 1 or 2 pages would indeed be the solution to the problem would it not?

174 users made posts. Of those About 60 no longer needed their thread. They sold or bought what they wanted.

There are 80 threads by default per page? Or do I have mine set to something different than default?

Of the remaining users they would comfortably take up the first two pages with active threads even if with daily bumps on active products available. So long as they didn't make 18 threads about 1 domain, 8 threads about content that could have been titled with the niches it covers in a list, etc...

[Eric]

Question: What if other users BUMP a particular thread?

Other users bumping your threads is ok. I will monitor this for abuse. In other words, using this to circumvent the rule will be monitored.

[Eric]

1) If I am selling blog posts personally, and I am selling advertising for LinkSpun.com professionally, would that warrant making two different threads for the two entirely different products?

I think the spirit of this first rule is to keep people from making 8 threads for content or 8 threads for domains instead of one thread selling them all. But wouldn't it be best to have the content and the domains in two different threads for the buyers to be able to find what they are looking for easier?

Yes you would be allowed two threads. Once again the idea of these rules is to create threads with content, domain, etc packages, not 40 threads, one for each domain or girl that is in a content package.

2) A month bump seems like a very long time. Like others have said the forum would go stale. It would be harder for buyers to find active products to buy, not easier. Something that is no longer available would be lumped together with stuff that is still available. Bumping keeps the available stuff on the first three pages. With this rule being so long a buyer might have to sort through many different pages trying to find what they want.

There are other ways to move your thread to the top of the first page with out typing "Bump" or "Just bumping!" Post something relevant, add a discount, throw an additional domain into the deal, add a new girl to a content package. Posting in your thread is allowed. It just needs to be relevant and productive.

3) One thread a week seems pretty reasonable. But I know some domainers rely on speed. So if they get a domain and have to wait 5 days to make a thread about it they might start going elsewhere. Maybe doing it by a certain number a month?

We are going to start at this limitation, and if people can behave themselves I will look at moving that number up.

4) See 3 above. This also might pertain to content brokers. Would them adding their new product to the bottom of a thread count as a bump or as something else? I think I read you might allow this as not being a bump but adding something relevant to the deal so long as we don't have something where a domainer bumps their thread each day of the week with a new domain... trickling them out. Although... I think bumping once a day is a good way of keeping the first three pages fresh with good offers.

Thanks for making the effort to tackle this problem!

As stated above, adding to a thread is not considered a bump, unless it is just a brain dead posting of "Bump" or "Bumping this." Adding relevant or productive posts to a thread is allowed, if that bumps the thread, good for you.

[Fat Panda]

Finally!

Buy/Sell was ruined by pathetic domain spammers endlessly pushing/bumping shit reg fee domains.

The new rules will castrate worthless spammers, clean up Buy/Sell and make it much more productive.

Thanks Eric!

[PornDiscounts-V]

All good things, Eric! Thanks for the clarifications.

Now the guy currently at the bottom of the first page won't take up the entire f'ing page. Which, consequently, is why we all needed to bump our own threads as often as we "legitimately" did.

[Nurgle]

hooray!!

[demedia]

I think its a great idea! Thanks for cleaning up the Buy/Sell! Very positive changes. Thanks Eric

[SelfShot]

http://gfy.com/search.php?searchid=4713608

This guy has multiply threads about the same thing.


and all of his posts are just bumping his threads!

http://gfy.com/search.php?searchid=4713611

[Klen]

Nice,but somehow i have feeling how most of posters wont care till they get banned.Tho,one bump per month seems a bit too excessive ,my personal rule is to bump once per week.

[Naughty-Pages]

Oh shit Eric.. I just noticed this.. (right after I bumped something from my UCP subscribed list.. fuck! Sorry!!!).

I am an offender of the bumping. Will stop that now..

In my defense, kinda had to do it or posts would get buried by other bumpers within a couple hours.. But that is a Chicken/Egg issue... so this is a really good rule that should have been in place a long time ago...

Yes you would be allowed two threads. Once again the idea of these rules is to create threads with content, domain, etc packages, not 40 threads, one for each domain or girl that is in a content package.

We have over 1000 sites and sell Blog Posts, Links, Domains, Sites, Content, and they are all in different categories (gay, straight, tranny, fetishes, etc) and different pricing, if we had to put them all in one post that would make it kind of difficult as compared to someone with a half dozen sites in the same niche and only one product.

But the no bumping thing, I am all on board with ;)

[fitzmulti]

Eric,
Thanks for "never thinking that of me"...LOL!
;-)
Fitz
#InsideJoke

[synapse]

this is one of the inevitable results of the new rules ... thread hijacking ... http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19800873&postcount=5

[Alt76]

You have sense but I think:
1. not for month... 1 bump/week will be good! If 1 bump/month topic will be in 10000s places and can`t be read after 1-2 week! People can`t see needed for him ads!
2. I think about some items: mobile, popunders and other can be placed in some different topics. It have different info, maybe different sources, different targets and other!
Can be in one topic but can be in different.
3. I can`t edit first our message in topic and can`t take for people new corrected data!

What do you think?

[PGR]

Big improvement

[Naughty-Pages]

You have sense but I think:
2. I think about some items: mobile, popunders and other can be placed in some different topics. It have different info, maybe different sources, different targets and other!
Can be in one topic but can be in different.
3. I can`t edit first our message in topic and can`t take for people new corrected data!

I agree with what he is trying to say.. lol
I think having to combine different services into one thread is a massive step backwards..

If you have any questions about the rules, ask them in this thread.

K... here we go:

When it comes to rule #3:
Say I decide to sell a bunch of domain names cheap, like my post here:
http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1120926

If I sell them all the first day then I cannot create another thread for a week?
(That just seems to impede the purpose of this section and would be counter-productive for the forum)

When it comes to Rule #1, #3, #4:
(I am confused a bit because they are kind of similar and sound a little contradictory)
As I mentioned earlier.. we have over 1000 sites.. selling domains, links, posts, content, ppc traffic, banner spots, pop-unders, sites, etc.. it's a little different than someone who just sells one script and that's all they do.. or someone who owns 12 blogs in the same niche and is selling posts. etc.. etc.. If the products being sold are entirely different, I gotta say that it would be a negative (and completely confusing) thing for the buy and sell forum if 6 entirely different products were required to be in the same thread....

I mean if I am selling names as a bulk deal.. say 10 domains for $25 total, and I have blog posts, and I am also doing PPC Text ads, and banner spots, gay links, tranny links, teen links, and some premium EMD domains for $100, and selling a website, and I want to sell a foot fetish photo set... holy crap, I wouldn't even know where to begin on the topic title, let alone the format of the actual post. Combine that with if in the middle of it all, some domains are sold and also some link spots are sold out, keeping that thread organized and comprehensible would be impossible, as most people just look at the first post. edit: I just read this paragraph and I must say, I am confused just reading it.. lmao, imagine what people looking to buy would be in for if I get confused just explaining it.. lol

Again, I am all on board for the no bumping rule, and I fully understand why you're putting these rules in place... but for companies that offer multiple distinctly different services, it would be beneficial to the forum to have people be allowed to make different topics for entirely different services. Having a mix-match bunch of stuff that are totally irrelevant all in one topic seems beyond going overboard. I mean it is one thing for someone to be selling 10 domain names and do 10 different topics (that should be a no-no), but having a separate topic for things that are not relevant to each other just makes sense

It's like going to the classified section in your local newspaper to look for a job, but it's impossible to find the job listings because everything is all in one section randomly mixed in with garage sale notices, personal ads, real-estate ads, divorce attorney ads, lost pets, and a dozen other topics..

Imagine going to craigslist and there is just one topic... and you have to dig through a ton of irrelevant stuff to find the products or services you need.

NOW, if you had the buy and sell forum have subforums, that would be beyond fucking awesome!!! Domain Sales, Site Sales, Content Sales, Traffic Sales, and Misc. (and no posting in the current Buy and Sell forum, just archive it).
If that were the case, the rules you have mentioned would make total sense.. it would also make things easier for people to find.

[AdPatron]

Will do, Captain.

[topsiteking]

All good rules I think.
Just may take a read or two ;)
Good idea Eric!

[bns666]

didn't have anything for sale on gfy for a long time

[boneless]

these rules are very welcomed, i for one am very annoyed with the 150 ladiesofnagales threads, and the endless bumped content packages at discount prices. Those threads bury actual great stuff for sale.

I agree on the bump frequency, could be a little higher to begin with, if it still gets abused switch bumping of own threads off completly for this section ;-)

Great move Eric, will make browsing sell and buy section a lot easier.

[web-adulter]

wow, eric, sorry, just read that thread after i bumped my topics, please remove my bumps.

[PSD]

I'm confused, would you please advise in each of the following cases ...

1) If I make a post to sell one domain, when can I make another post to sell another single domain?

2) If I make a post to sell one domain, when can I make another post to sell multiple domains?

3) If I make a post to sell more than one domain, when can I make another post to sell one domain?

4) If I make a post to sell more than one domain, when can I make another post to sell multiple domains?

I mostly stopped posting due to all the spam so I am all for improvements. Personally I think what this forum needs first is to be organized with subforums for domains, content, traffic, etc. Once organized the behavior of each subforums participants could be monitored and appropriate forum rules could be applied as needed for each one.

[Markul]

This is fantastic!

[PSD]

When it comes to rule #3:
Say I decide to sell a bunch of domain names cheap, like my post here:
http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1120926

If I sell them all the first day then I cannot create another thread for a week?
(That just seems to impede the purpose of this section and would be counter-productive for the forum)

It is not clear to me whether that would be covered in rule 3 or 4. Rule 3 is for "bunch of items" which could be read to mean multiple domains as in your example since they are a bunch of domains while rule 4 is for "similar items" which could be read to be multiple domains since they are all similar in the sense they are all domains. Hopefully Eric can clarify.

[MrDeiz]

many sucker are exploiting this section
would be good to see them stopped
too much of spam from those domain suckers with shitty overpriced domains

[mineistaken]

It's good to stop all the shit, but it's not good for the people that are selling a variety of items, different prices etc.

I feel you should make it one bump or one new thread per person per day. I can assure you now the Buy Sell Trade will be dead within the next couple of months if you stick to those rules.

Correct points. I was very in favor for doing something with buy and sell, but this is way too excessive.

One more note - one bump per month, I believe people will start bumping each others threads with "send me an email" etc. Also - bumping from bot/fake accounts.

All in all way too excessive.

[mineistaken]

Think about it - biggest problem were guys posting 20 multiple threads and bumping them. Now when there is the rule that such people should post all those 20 in 1 thread there is no big issue with them bumping such threads more often than once a month, or even once a week, or even once a day.
Think about it. No need to make the forum dead (and also cheating while bumping from another account)

[pclit]

....... this forum needs first is to be organized with subforums for domains, content, traffic, etc. Once organized the behavior of each subforums participants could be monitored and appropriate forum rules could be applied as needed for each one.

More subcategories/subforums=better organization.
Thumbs up nevertheless for new more strict rules in this forum.

[Pornflix]

NOW, if you had the buy and sell forum have subforums, that would be beyond fucking awesome!!! Domain Sales, Site Sales, Content Sales, Traffic Sales, and Misc. (and no posting in the current Buy and Sell forum, just archive it).
If that were the case, the rules you have mentioned would make total sense.. it would also make things easier for people to find.

That is the Best solution for everyone

I sell in other forums like Namepros and their Buy and Sell forums are under the heading of Marketplace.

In their Marketplace they have such forums as:

• Established Sites For Sale
• Turnkey Websites For Sale
• High Priced Domains
• Domain Brokerage, Leasing, & Financing
• Domains For Sale - Fixed Price
• Domains For Sale - Make Offer
• Domain Name Bargain Bin
• Domain Names with Traffic Stats
• Domains For Sale - Auctions
• Domains For Sale - External Sales & Auctions
• ccTLD Domains For Sale
• Domain Names Wanted

Now, I don't know if we need all of those categories but it would make things a lot more simple for all of us and we all would not be tripping all over each other.

[Pornflix]

Also these subforums,

• Web Development Wanted
• Developers / Designers For Hire
• Advertising & SEO Services
• Content For Sale
• For Sale / Advertising Board

[Naughty-Pages]

I think a lot of people have missed this sticky (as I had initially), because bumping is continuing.. .

In the meantime, my deals are on page 2 and far beyond that (one currently active deal is on page 10 which is not even visible unless someone changes the forum setting.. lmao)..

and I'm hesitant to post much of anything until we hear from Eric..

I am going to keep this simple.

LIAR!! (just kidding.. lmao)

but there is some confusion with all of the new rules.. patiently awaiting your replies to them.

[MrDeiz]

That is the Best solution for everyone

I sell in other forums like Namepros and their Buy and Sell forums are under the heading of Marketplace.

Namepros is dead in that section
current section structure is ok, while the spammers should be slightly restricted from multiple posting. other than that is ok

[robwod]

but there is some confusion with all of the new rules.. patiently awaiting your replies to them.

Personally, I find it pretty straight forward. The spirit of the new rules is get rid of spamming which I think everyone can agree was getting way out of control. Thus, iof you violate or circumvent that spirit, I would expect rules to be enforced. On the other hand, if people use common sense and post unique offers that are not obviously trying to circumvent the spamming rules, I would think everything should be fine (Obviously I speak with no authority on the matter).

Personally, if it were me, I'd have made it really simple:

1. One thread per week. No exceptions. If you can't wait to sell a bunch of things individually each week, then it's best to put up a webpage and use your thread to refer people to your page to see "all offers".

2. No bumping, that's the end of it.

3. Buy a sticky if you need to keep your thread on top for the day.

I can just imagine the backlash "my rules" would have gotten here

Realistically, these new rules may actually encourage others to post some of their offers who may otherwise just have gotten fed up dealing with the daily bumping and topic spamming. I suspect it'll be refreshing to actually look in this forum now and see a variety of items versus 10 or 15 of the same people with numerous threads.

[Fat Panda]

the only sub-forum Buy/Sell needs is

shit reg fee domain names for sale

[PSD]

the only sub-forum Buy/Sell needs is

shit reg fee domain names for sale

I'd say there is also plenty of shit amateur content, shit unproductive traffic/link and shit sketchy services posted that would be nice to tuck away in their own sub forum as well. Seriously though, regardless of whether posts are shit or not sub-forums can help buyers get to the type of posts they want to read the most without having to wade through all the irrelevant posts, shit or not, and help sellers target their posts to be read by the most relevant and interested buyers so I don't really see the downside to a few sub-forums.

[C H R I S]

Fantastic news.....

[MrDeiz]

the only sub-forum Buy/Sell needs is

shit reg fee domain names for sale

i'll have to agree with that

[Captcha]

I am sorry, I just saw this thanks to a post from Naughty-Pages in my thread... (thanks dude)
Its a great addition here, I agree... But spammers will tell their friends to bump their own threads, making a "bump trading" between themselves everyday... anyway, the frequency can be little more than once a month... maybe once a week... once a couple week...

Cant I even reply to a possible buyer that post something in my thread if there is a "bump" there before?