the revolution has started
 

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With the economy in the UK going to poo, and things clearly getting worse, the rich getting rich and the poor getting poor, and police getting more and more power, would there be a breaking point? Well in the UK it looks like the point has come.

The youth have turned. Students demonstrating in many UK cities.

The respect for the police and goverment now gone.

Many over 25 years of age fail to see the reason. They condem the actions. They have become far too used to being told what to do and think. For too happy to have there rights removed.

But for the young they want a different UK.

Is this not what Michael Moore's film 'Capitalism: a Love Story' concludes. An era that people will rebell.

In the UK many students voted for the Lib Dems on the basis of free university education. The lib dems had 2 main polocies that made them stand out. End of tution fees and end of nukes. Both they seem to now forget. So if the polotitions lied, ca\n the students be blaimed. Are the student riots worse than the deception of the lib dems?

Does it matter if universities are not free in the UK?

Well it does. It changes the point and principle of british universities. Not so long ago universities were about education. Today they are simply about getting a bit of paper to enable you to (in theory) get a better job.

There was a time when in the UK a degree meant more money, but now employeers simply no longer advertise for graduates as they know most people have a degree. So now yyou can employ a graduate for very little.

In his film Michael Moore concludes that the answer is democracy, being the solution. But as somone stated in his film, democracy can be seen as two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

I would sugest the answer is education. More people know and understand things, the more they have power.

But the goverments prefer people to be thick. Football is fed to the foolish in order for them to have somthing to be bothered about. People do not care if the goverments are taking there rights away, just as long as there football team does well.

So if students have to pay for education in the uk, it reduces the nombers of students who can get education.

I wonder how different the world would be today if the great Franklin D. Roosevelthe Second Bill of Rights got through.

Why are americans not angry that they have never had these rights?

THis guy's angry:

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Look how much fun those students are having.

I wish I had gone now.

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Riot, riot, riot.... :D

There's no such thing as free education. Someone always has to pay the bill. People who demand free education are no different from people who demand free health care, free transportation, free cinema tickets, free clothing, free housing, free....

If you're old enough to remember the strikes and protests during the early Thatcher years you will understand that this is NOT the start of any revolution, it's not even fucking close.

The girls look like hookers, if you ask me.

They probably are, rent a crowd could be their day job :1orglaugh

you will find that for many years in the uk we did have free education. in fact you even got money too for going.

we also have the nhs.

and yes if you earn more you pay it back in tax, so you pay regardless.

what is wrong with free housing?

shocking thought aint it.


Communism

Well, there is in few places. Of course you need to have for a flat etc., but there are countries where universities are free or at least dirty cheap (Poland i.e.). Again the education level is top level and I say it with sarcasm as generally education system is outdated AS FUCK... so i mean good in bad :D


Daavy: mb because u see them like that cuz u consider yourself... a pimp :D

In cuba you can become a doctor. And its free. No fees.

I think you will agree Communism is the way to go.

The UK like Australia is a welfare state. The state provides a safety net for those not fortunate enough to be able to afford housing, medical care, education and so forth.

Australia lost free tertiary education some time ago, however it's free if you can't afford it. Basically the Government gives you a loan administered through the taxation system and you pay it back once you earn over a certain income threshold. I understand the Lib Dems are proposing a similar system, I don't see a really big problem with that. It works well here.

As you point out the UK does have the NHS, housing is essentially free to those who want to live in council flats, education will essentially be free too for those who cannot afford it.

Do I have my facts wrong here ?

finally!

you're saying that because you have never experienced communism first hand. No, it is not the way to go.
First off, porn is highly illegal in Cuba. Second, you can NOT own your own business. Third, you can NOT have internet.

In Cuba you can die from a simple preventable infection because the health care system is so overwrought from lack of supplies, decent infection control and funding. I have been to Cuba a few times. Back in the early 80's it was half decent, now it's teetering on becoming a third world country as the whole system is breaking down to a point that your travel insurance company charge a premium because they want to medivac you out for even small medical problems rather than take the risk in the Cuban system.

The NHS is free to all at pont of use. You can be poor or very rich. Its still free.

Fist no country has realy ever had communism. China mocks the UK as in china the health service is not free.

The USSR broke many of the main rules for communism.

Plus who cares if porn is illegall in cuba. Or that they do not have the net. I(f I lived in cuba I would be on the beach all day.

As is medicare in Australia. I don't understand your point ?

As I understand it the Government is simply proposing a system based on the Australian model. You pay back the Government for your University education once you can afford it. You can choose either a Government backed place that you repay the Government for or a Private place on the same footing as any international full fee paying student.

What the fuck is wrong with that ? Or am I missing something here ?

Many of the beaches are terribly polluted and petty crime is rife. It's not the paradise you imagine.

DV... eee... communism, poland, communism... was it really nothing? i dont know so much about ORIGINAL idea of marks but few people told me that russians fucked it completely. i dont think its better on cuba... at least if it is even half as bad as it was in poland. communism is shit and should be plead out (at least in form that stopped

Mabe.

But then again they would make me there new leader.

I would make a deal with china, then declare war on all other countries, which I would win.

Then I would become the world leader.

I love you for posting that...

And the American system works great. People cannot afford health care, and homes.

Great system.

Works for the few, not for all.

A free education helped you I see. I may be nitpicking but you should replace "there" with "their".

Keep in mind that once you graduate you are not allowed to leave the country and you will earn $400 a month. Your main priority will be feeding yourself.

i am dyslexic.

and i had to get a student loan.

but i only did a thicky degree (business).

In Denmark education is free you even get $800 or so a month while at university any education is open to anyone as long as you have the grades to be accepted so everyone have an equal chance of getting a good education.
You then pay for your free education over your taxes for the rest of your life.

They're under 25 still, a few more years of getting beat down and eventually they'll learn to not give a fuck anymore too. People are far too lazy to rebel...

Sounds fine with me.

I get a house free so I have no worries about that. Thats better than most in the USA have it.

true

to be fair in france, they take no poo from anyone.

its just england we put up with anything.

Which is it Government or capitalism thats to blame?
You seem to blame capitalism, citing MM but it really seems to be Government that the students are protesting.

To take anything MM says with more than a grain of salt is insane.

Seriously DVTimes, go to Cuba and see it yourself before you make such idiotic statements. The place is a fucking basket case despite sanctions. Even without the sanctions the system would be crumbling, in fact probably faster than if the sanctions weren't in place. One thing sanctions has done for Cuba is to steel the fabric of their society to survive with old cars, improvised materials and equipment etc. However none of that changes the fact that the country is a basket case. Why do you think people take such terrible risks to get out ?

there will eventually be a revolt, i don't see it happening any time soon though.

they aren't rebelling. they are just making a scene. some might have some real ideals but not the majority. seems like people in europe are constantly rioting over something they government wants to take away. get a grip. they aren't your mommy and daddy.

The UK has had several pretty good rebellions over the course of history, no prizes for guessing who won each time.

lets hope its soon.

bring the system down.

And replace it with what ?

The westminster system is probably the best democratic system to emerge so far in human history, it has so many checks and balances that you never see the kinds of issues you see in the USA or other forms of democracy.

Some of the most stable and fair Governments in the world have the westminster system, Australia, the UK, New Zealand. You really want to replace that with something unknown and untested ?

only unsuccessful people with nothing to lose say that.

If you ask me the resource based economy, the idea introduced in II zeitgeist seems to be quite nice alternative for monetary system. anyway anyone who says communism is cool simply hasn't experienced it first hand. that's it ;d

move to freakin cuba if ur so happy :D why your Location is UK? come on! its enough few months of adult and u can live on cuba as a king ! :D lol - i mean you might have problem with obtaining basic stuff... but well :D enjoy the freedom... liberalism/capitalism arent that great, but there's one simple thing - if you want something, you can get it. dot. it's all up to you... but people want to get things for free (like in communism - so called "centrally organized economy" which literally means that one points decide about the rest, yeaahh... this month you will get only half of rice, but twice as much meat... 2 pieces!)~because they're too fucking lazy to move from their comfort zone and use their brains.

system is in the mind m8 ;] ur free there, ur free outside.

caos

no system.

just pure caos

Only greedy people who care nothing for others say that.

I've shot porn in Cuba a few times.

i am a vegiterian. i do not eat meat.

boris johnston the londom mayore has gone over a few times as he wants londoners to grow there own food like they do in cuba.

Some of beaches are OK if you get outside of Havana and travel to some of the smaller beach towns, but not nice enough to want to spend the rest of your life sitting on one.

However, you could spend the rest of your life partying, salsa dancing, fucking, drinking and collecting antiques.

sounds like heaven.

I have this theory about the NWO. Britain is their test bed and if the Brits accept it then it's rolled out across other countries. Britian has some of the tightest citizen controls on the first world, such as (I believe) the largest amount of CCTV cameras, Speed cameras, massive immigration problems, illegal immigrants, rights of the few overweighing the rights of the many. (15 Y.O. girl gets arrested for burning a Koran, Muslem extremists protected so they can abuse servicemen and burn poppies in public). We have huge taxes for petrol and cigarettes, VAT is set to rise next year.

I honestly think that someone is trying to push us Brits to see what it takes to make us break. Revolution or at least a massive popular wave of disruption MUST come at some point.