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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 11-19-2010 05:14 AM

A Cops Advice On Dealing with Cops (In Words and Pix)
 
Practical advice for dealing with the Popo, even if you are sure you did nothing wrong:

Quote:

As a 33-year law enforcement veteran and former training commander with the Maryland State Police and Baltimore Police Department, I know how easy it is to intimidate citizens into answering incriminating questions or letting me search through their belongings. This reality might make things easier for police looking to make an easy arrest, but it doesn't always serve the interests of justice. That's why I believe all citizens should understand how to protect their constitutional rights and make smart decisions when dealing with officers of the law.

Unfortunately, this important information has remained largely unavailable to the public, despite growing concerns about police misconduct and the excesses of the war on drugs. For this reason, I agreed to serve as a technical consultant for the important new film, 10 Rules for Dealing with Police. The 40-minute docudrama aims to educate the public about basic legal and practical survival strategies for handling even the scariest police encounters. It was produced by the civil liberties group Flex Your Rights and is narrated by former federal judge and acclaimed Baltimore trial lawyer William "Billy" Murphy, Jr.

The opening scene portrays Darren, a young black man getting pulled over. He's driving home from college. This is the fifth time he's been pulled over in a year. Frustrated and scared, Darren immediately breaks Rule #1: Always Be Calm & Cool. Mouthing off to the officer, Darren aggressively exits the car and slams the door. The officer overreacts, dropping Darren with a taser shot to his chest.

Should the officer have tased Darren in that situation? Probably not. Would the officer likely be disciplined? No. But that's not the main point of 10 Rules. The point is that the choices you make during the course of such encounters have a massive impact on whether it ends with a simple warning, a tasing -- or worse. This is true even if you've done nothing illegal.

While being calm and cool is key to getting the best possible outcome, it's not enough to keep police from violating your constitutional rights. For example, when the officer commandingly asks Darren "You're not hiding any AK-47s in there? You don't mind if I take a look?", Darren gets tricked like most people do.

Intimidated and unaware of other options, he consents to the search. The officer carelessly dumps his bags, accidentally shattering Darren's laptop on the asphalt. In another "what if" scenario, the officer finds a small amount of marijuana hidden away. While someone else might have left it there, Darren winds up getting arrested.

What few people understand, but police know all too well, is that your constitutional rights only apply if you understand and assert them. Unless they have strong evidence (i.e. probable cause) police need your permission to search your belongings or enter your home. The instant you grant them permission to invade your privacy, many of your legal protections go out the window and you're left on the hook for anything illegal the police find, as well as any damage they cause in the process.

Of course, even if you know your basic rights, police officers are trained to shake your confidence. If you refuse a search, I might respond by threatening to call in a drug-sniffing dog and sternly reminding you that things will go much easier if you cooperate. Creating a sense of hopelessness for the suspect enables us to break down their defenses and gain compliance. In the film, we show several variations on these common threats, but the main lesson is that it doesn't matter what the officer says; you still have to remain calm and protect your rights.

In today's world of smart phone video, YouTube and Twitter, stories of police abuse travel fast, creating greater awareness of the problem of police misconduct. Unfortunately, this heightened awareness often serves to reinforce the notion that "cops can do whatever they want." It's true that much work remains to be done towards ensuring police accountability, but the very first step is to educate the public about basic constitutional rights.

Citizens who understand their rights are much less likely to experience negative outcomes, both on the street and in a court of law. Until each of us has the ability to protect our individual rights and recognize injustices against others, we're not likely to accomplish much in the realm of broader policy reform.

I hope 10 Rules for Dealing with Police will be embraced by parents, teachers, activists, and even police departments as we work towards reducing the tension that too often characterizes the relationship between cops and the communities they serve.


Here are the ten rules featured in the film:
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Overall, I support the police. I have friends that are cops. However, there are some overzealous people in law enforcement out there who are only too happy to trample you and your rights in the process, if you let them, so if you have something to say, better to say it to your lawyer than law enforcement, since especially if you are the subject of their attention, they are more likely trying to gain evidence to arrest/convict you rather than objectively be listening to you and trying to release/exonerate you.

:2 cents:

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ottopottomouse 11-19-2010 05:25 AM


seeandsee 11-19-2010 05:27 AM

Interesting tips with pics :)

suesheboy 11-19-2010 05:40 AM

It is a felony now in some states to record police working so being a good "camera" witness can land you in jail even if it is to record abuse. It may also mean your recording is not permissible.

Stacks Banned for Life 11-19-2010 05:46 AM

LMFAO!!!!

This is fucking funny, of all ppl a MD State police and x Baltimore Police should know none of that shit matters!!!

If you do all of the shit they said, you know what they do? They call a bitch ass dog to your car, throw a tennis ball at it, open the trunk and find or plant drugs.

You think I'm lying? Ive had it happen to me numerous times I live in Maryland.

FUCK THE POLICE

Dido 11-19-2010 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacks (Post 17711622)
LMFAO!!!!

This is fucking funny, of all ppl a MD State police and x Baltimore Police should know none of that shit matters!!!

If you do all of the shit they said, you know what they do? They call a bitch ass dog to your car, throw a tennis ball at it, open the trunk and find or plant drugs.

You think I'm lying? Ive had it happen to me numerous times I live in Maryland.

FUCK THE POLICE

So.. what you're saying is that if they can't find your hidden stash, they'll plant their own?

Lamers should do a better job searching then! :winkwink:

Phoenix 11-19-2010 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 17711601)
It is a felony now in some states to record police working so being a good "camera" witness can land you in jail even if it is to record abuse. It may also mean your recording is not permissible.

holy fuck...illegal to record the police mistreat someone.

time to move into the mountains..lol

pOrRiDgE 11-19-2010 07:20 AM

Thats it! Im changing my name to Rodney King.

Altwebdesign 11-19-2010 07:26 AM

and when you get caught and they fine you, never say dya want cash or can you accept my card. ..

kazbalah 11-19-2010 07:34 AM

You forgot tip #11

Dont be born black.

RyuLion 11-19-2010 07:35 AM

Very nice man, ty!

CaptainHowdy 11-19-2010 07:58 AM

Police make great movie characters, other use I can't think of...

The Heron 11-19-2010 07:58 AM

Give them your lawyers biz card and dont say shit, EVER

marketsmart 11-19-2010 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 17711601)
It is a felony now in some states to record police working so being a good "camera" witness can land you in jail even if it is to record abuse. It may also mean your recording is not permissible.

show me one states law that makes filming a felony...

i believe you are confusing a law about police interference that some states have tried to use...




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woj 11-19-2010 08:33 AM

good advice there :thumbsup

fatfoo 11-19-2010 08:34 AM

You say the cops gave advice about how to deal with cops.
The advice says that cops are allowed to lie to you.
This means cops could have given you the wrong advice.

american pervert 11-19-2010 09:37 AM

when i was 17 the cops tried to search my car, i said yes at first but quickly said no. the cop was all excited and exclaimed "I got you! I got you!" I told him I knew my 4th admendent right against unlawful search and seizure and he didn't have anything.

I'm sure he was pissed that a kid with a mohawk and car full of punks got away.

96ukssob 11-19-2010 09:44 AM

blah, most cops are corrupt and uneducated, even about their own job.

I have a few friends that are cops and they admit that most of them can be bought off with cash over most things... at the end of the day, they'd rather go home with an extra $100 in their pocket then write you a speeding ticket.

however, always look out for the buzz cut military looking ones, they take their job super serious :2 cents:

american pervert 11-19-2010 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69 (Post 17712231)

however, always look out for the buzz cut military looking ones, they take their job super serious :2 cents:



and you have to watch out for rookies/younger cops.. they seem to be on a mission to prove themselves.

suesheboy 11-19-2010 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17711929)
show me one states law that makes filming a felony...

Watch the video: http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-illega...,5743261.story

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...008566,00.html

http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/vi...se-for-arrest/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/TheLaw/vide...1179076&page=3

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...ne_recordings/

Vendzilla 11-19-2010 10:04 AM

When I went thru the 12 hour course for Concealed weapon carry, They hammered that stuff in us. It was done by a ExCop. Only a small part of the training was about the guns themselves, funny how some people can't hit a target!

Amputate Your Head 11-19-2010 10:24 AM

fuck the police.

FlexxAeon 11-19-2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 17711552)

sheeeit.

i love this one. it's always 'mind if i take a look through your car, bro?' and when you refuse then you get treated like you're hiding something. lose lose.

eroticsexxx 11-19-2010 10:50 AM

All of that advice could be summarized as follows.

Don't be a idiot/asshole when dealing with an officer of the law.

atom 11-19-2010 10:51 AM

I got pulled over around 10 years ago and the cop said he smelled grass. I had none on me and had not smoked that day. he asked to search my car and I refused. He then made me wait outside in 10 degree F weather so I couldnt tamper anything while we waited for the K9 unit to arrive.

Once the dog got there all they did was rile it up, have it walk around my car and once it barked they said I had drugs inside. The dog then went into my car, ripped one of the seats and they didnt find shit. I had to put everything back inside in the freezing cold, they threw all contents of my trunk onto the street. The next day I went to the police station and filed a complaint. Nothing happened.

I think the dude was mad because I had fucked his younger sister.

bobby666 11-19-2010 11:02 AM

rule 11: stay at home

pornguy 11-19-2010 11:06 AM

hahaha.. Now that was funny.

u-Bob 11-19-2010 11:22 AM

didn't know there were still good cops around....

Machete_ 11-19-2010 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 17711601)
It is a felony now in some states to record police working so being a good "camera" witness can land you in jail even if it is to record abuse. It may also mean your recording is not permissible.

talking out of your ass here

_Richard_ 11-19-2010 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 17711601)
It is a felony now in some states to record police working so being a good "camera" witness can land you in jail even if it is to record abuse. It may also mean your recording is not permissible.

remember, always be a responsible citizen.

Amputate Your Head 11-19-2010 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17712600)
remember, always be a responsible citizen.

fuck that, i choose to be a living citizen.

funkywizard 11-19-2010 01:38 PM

I agree with all of this. You have to be really careful around the police, even (especially!) if you've done nothing wrong.

Agent 488 11-19-2010 01:41 PM

common sense.

bronco67 11-19-2010 01:50 PM

Sounds like some good tips to keep cops in check(the out of control power trip ones), keep from getting your ass beat -- and maybe even protect a few cops.

dan@noof 11-19-2010 01:57 PM

Good post OP... do you have a link to where you got all this from?

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 11-19-2010 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 17711795)
time to move into the mountains..lol

i did ages ago :1orglaugh they closed the detachment here years ago, because there is literally next to no crime. the nearest detachment is like 30km away. i actually read this week's local paper the other day and the front page news was regarding the crime report for the first half of 2010. Apparently we're down from the previous year's crime. we've had like 1 assault, 1 drug charge, and 3 stolen property charges, lol. big news! i can stroll down the street at any time puffing a big gagger, and no one looks twice. you can regularly stroll around town with open liquor and not worry about shit. it's not unusual to go down town at midnight and for mainstreet to be shutdown for roadhockey or touch football with 20-30 people standing around getting hammered. i love my quiet inbred whitetrash mountain town.

thumbsdepot 11-19-2010 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 17711795)
holy fuck...illegal to record the police mistreat someone.

time to move into the mountains..lol


I think In most states you have to have at least on of the parties consent before you can record their conversation. I doesn't matter if you are recording the police or your neighbor they have the same right to privacy as you do.

Amputate Your Head 11-19-2010 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thumbsdepot (Post 17713349)
I think In most states you have to have at least on of the parties consent before you can record their conversation. I doesn't matter if you are recording the police or your neighbor they have the same right to privacy as you do.

bullshit. the police record everything on their dashcams. No consent required.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 11-19-2010 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan@noof (Post 17713057)
Good post OP... do you have a link to where you got all this from?

I read the article in The Huffington Post - 10 Rules Article.

Here is a link to the official 10 Rules website where you can get more info, and purchase the video (interesting website):

http://flexyourrights.org/10_Rules

Here is an excerpt from the video:



If you click on the video above after it starts, it will take you to the YouTube page where the sidebar has links to other good videos.

The Clash - "Know Your Rights":



I was at that show...for reals! :stoned

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Ayla_SquareTurtle 11-19-2010 04:20 PM

Good tips that can certainly help keep you out of trouble. Unfortunately, cops often DO NOT know the laws or else they do, and lie about it.

I was forced to produce state issued ID on my own front porch one afternoon after a cop knocked on my door and demanded to know who I was. He was looking for someone who stole his friends car and apparently this person lived in the rental house I was staying in years before. He made it clear that if I did not produce an ID I would be arrested.

I knew my rights in that situation and tried to refuse, but in the end I lost and was forced to produce ID on my own fucking front porch because he had a gun and I didn't. Might makes right.

CYF 11-19-2010 05:08 PM

http://flexyourrights.org/

JustDaveXxx 11-19-2010 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17713356)
bullshit. the police record everything on their dashcams. No consent required.


Correct.

Its funny what you can do or not get done to you, when you know your civil rights.




We had a big party on a Sunday at my buddy Cravens house. His house is all gated up and the back gate was open just enough to let people in and out.



10 cops showed up and asked for the house owner to step outside the property line. We were all really drunk. I advised Craven that he has rights and i further advised him if he stepped off of the property that he can be arrested for public intoxication. I further told him in front of the cops that they are allowed to lie and will do so to achieve whatever agenda they had today. Trust in the advice i give you and we will be fine.


Craven and i are very close friends and trust was never an issue. But it can be very intimidating when the police make threats, demands and false claims. Which are all part of the game.



I told the cops that you can say what ever it is you need to say from there and we can answer from here.



Then they asked if they can come in. I told Craven to say "no." Then they claimed that they found someone that left the party with drugs and that they can go get a warrant to search the premises then we could all be arrested for what ever any of these people had. But if we let them in everything would be OK. (keep in mind, i think xxxjay was there too).lol



Craven looked at me and i shook my head and said go ahead and get your warrant. And good luck to you not pissing a judge off on a holiday weekend. I knew it wasn't going to happen because there was no probable cause and if there was, they would have already entered the premises.


Then they tried to get Craven to step off of the property again and i recommended that he step up to the property line and not to step over. I was getting a serious laugh at these 2 arrogant prick cops attitude when we would tell them "NO" while i was sipping my beer.


The cops then told me to shut up multiple times while they try to talk to my drunk house owner friend. I told them that "I will not shut up and nobody will be stepping over the property line anytime soon."


This went on and off for 3 hours. They kept asking for the house owner to come talk and kept asking for permission. I was there for every instance.



Cops then said that they were going to wait outside and find things to arrest people for as they leave the party. I said, "you guys have fun doing that". And i asked "How does it feel that none of your lies and bullshit will not work today?"


It was 3pm and the cops wanted to break up the party for no reason what so ever. Noise complaints dont kick in until 10pm


Nobody was leaving and we were having a blast and the cops could not do shit to stop it besides wait outside. I let 2 hours past then i pretended to be the house owner and called the watch commander on duty and filed a formal complaint. I also detailed what the cops said they were going to do to my exiting party guests.


Not even 10 min. past and the cops left. I made sure to wave to them as they were leaving.


I made sure that everyone who did leave was sober or had a sober ride. Nobody got arrested and nobody even got pulled over. We finished at 3am. Im guessing the cops that came to the party, their shift ended and the complaint that was started and the next day finished had something to do with it.



Im all for the police doing their job, but not at the expense of my civil rights. And these guys were trying to throw there authority around at the wrong party.




Knowing and understanding your Civil rights is a serious must!!

Vendzilla 11-19-2010 05:36 PM

When I had a hot rod pick up, I got pulled over for loud pipes, he told me they were too loud, I told him I had them measured at 106db and 112db was the max. I had no idea what I was talking about, but his bluff didn't stand up to it.

suesheboy 11-19-2010 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Machete_ (Post 17712588)
talking out of your ass here

LOL you think so.

Do your own research or call a good lawyer. Look at the links in my second post.

thickcash_amo 11-19-2010 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17712989)
Got a funny story happened to me a decade ago. I had a truck with an extended cab and no shell and was at the range with a NHM91 and was driving back home (with the rifle under the backseat) and got pulled over by a motorcycle cop. I knew it was going to get a ticket so I thought way not have a little fun?

It went down like this:

Cop: Do you know why I pulled you over?
Me: Not a clue..
Cop: Throws attitude ..do you have your lic, reg, insurance, etc?
Me: Yes
Cop: Why is your address a PO BOX?
Me: Privacy
Cop:Where are you coming from and going etc.
Me: Friends/Home
Cop: Where is home?
Me: where the heart is?..J/k ..if you go down 3 streets hang a right, then 2 streets hang a left... etc.
Cop: Calls for backup and tells me to step out of my vehicle and then patrolmen arrives.
Cop2: Gives me a speech about being a smart-ass to a fellow cop and then handcuffs me and asked why my windows are tinted so dark...?
Me: I'm pissed for being handcuffed and reply .. ask the factory at Ford.

<Starts to go downhill fast>

Cop2: Runs my information and asks for my address and what I do for a living.
Me: You already have all the information you need.
Cops: Search my truck (without permission) and find the rifle and then I was immediately escorted to the back of the patrol car and more cops arrive.
Cop2: Do you have a permit for that weapon?
Me: Yes
Cop2: Do you have it?
Me: yes, we all do it's called the second amendment.
Cop2: Lies, and tells me it's illegal to transport a rifle like that in City limits etc.
Me: No it's not and it's a shame that I have to inform a law enforcement officer about the law and then I refused to answer anymore questions.

About an hour later they cut me lose with an ocean of tickets, truck completely tossed, and they took my rifle.

A month later I go to court and get almost all of the tickets dismissed and able to get permission to get my rifle back.

At this time I lived in one of the most liberal cities in America. Anyway, I go downtown to the evidence warehouse (across from the court house) and sign-off on the paperwork and they hand me back my rifle.

I purposely parked 6 blocks away and started to walk downtown with my rifle. It took all of a block and half before I was surrounded by cops pointing their guns at me.

They are pissed when they find out I just came from the evidence warehouse and had the right and paperwork. They offer to drive me to my vehicle and I refuse. So the cop follows me to my vehicle and then when I arrive he asks?

.... do you have your lic, reg, insurance, etc? Cop: Why is your address a PO BOX?....

Me: here we go....

:1orglaugh Can't win for losing!

BlueWave 11-19-2010 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atom (Post 17712466)
...I think the dude was mad because I had fucked his younger sister.

RULE #11
DON'T fuck a cop's sister -- or wife, or mother, or daughter, or dog, or....
:thumbsup

AdultKing 11-19-2010 07:58 PM

Here in Australia things are a little more tame when it comes to cops, sure there are some corrupt police about, but there seems to be just a little bit more of a sense of fair play than there appears to be in the USA

xNetworx 11-19-2010 08:08 PM

That list is cute and all but every situation is different

FlexxAeon 11-19-2010 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 17713834)
Here in Australia things are a little more tame when it comes to cops, sure there are some corrupt police about, but there seems to be just a little bit more of a sense of fair play than there appears to be in the USA

the abuse of power here is quite rampant

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 11-19-2010 11:28 PM

50 Rules for Dealing With Cops...



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