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Phoenix 11-05-2010 06:33 AM

a cool story about bullies
 
copied from a website that probably doesnt want us linking to them..lol

A bully took a swing at my 6-year-old last week, and I did something I would never have dreamed possible: I stood still. The biggest leap of faith in my entire life turned out to be not leaping at all, but allowing my son to defend himself as he has been taught.

We stopped at the park for the first time since Quinten began the Gracie Bullyproof program at Norfolk Karate Academy in May. Park aversion happens because Quinten, small for his age and with a slight lisp due to being a late-talker, tends to draw bullies like ants to a picnic. This time he begged me and there was nobody there when we arrived, so I gave in.

Within a few minutes, a nanny arrived with four children, three of them boys around Quinny's age.

So there Quin was, at the helm of the big play ship, when the boys climbed up and immediately announced, "This is our ship. Get off!" Quin held his ground and so got a swift kick in the shins from the boldest boy. I ran up and told the child that was not allowed. I walked over to the nanny to ask for her intervention and just as I sat down with her, across the length of the park, the fight began.

I do not like fights. I do not buy gun toys for any of my four boys and I am a pacifist, but I am bone tired of hearing "boys will be boys," when my boys are bleeding and crying on the ground time after time. So, as I have written in this publication before, the older boys and I began taking Gracie jiu-jitsu, and Quinny started attending Gracie Bullyproof classes.

As the nanny started to make excuses, I heard the kids calling Quin names. I heard Quin give the programmed Bullyproof responses: "Don't call me that. I don't want to have to fight, but if you are challenging me to a fight I am not afraid of you. Can't we just stop this?" To which the bold one responded, "Well, I do want to fight!"

I jumped to my feet, but nothing happened. Quinny called to me, "He said he wants to fight, but he isn't, so yea!" That's when the other kid took a run at Quin and swung a haymaker punch right at my baby's face.

Every instinct told me to run to Quin and stand between him and danger. Gracie teaching made me hold my breath. It was now or never. If I intervened now, he might never defend himself.

Also, I hesitated because Quin wasn't panicking, turning into a pill bug, yelling for help, or crying. His body language said, "I'm ready."

It played out just like a class session. Quinny put his hands on his head, ducked under the incoming fist, bumped the bully in the chest like a little goat, grabbed him in a tight hug, and, hooking the boy's leg, took him straight down. The other boy thrashed and Quin held him down in "positional control" unscathed and talking all the while, "Can we stop now? This isn't going good for you."

The other two boys retreated. The attacker agreed to stop and Quin let him up and reached out to shake hands. That's when the other kid kicked him right in his boy parts and Mommy started closing the distance and prepared to vault up the slide.

Quin yelled, "Dude! That was not right!" He repeated the whole drill with a surprise change. Quinny was trying to finish with a headlock so swift and terrible I found myself in the unexpected role of rescuing the bully from what was cuing up to be a very intuitive RNC (rear naked choke). They don't teach that in Bullyproof, but Quinny seemed to be figuring out the mechanics fast.

"He lied last time, Mom," Quin said as I unwound him from the other boy. I said, "I know, honey, but he's done for real this time."

As soon as he was loose, the boy shouted, "What the heck was that? What did you just do to me?"

Quin replied in anticlimax, "Math."

Huh? Not Bullyproof, or at least jiu-jitsu?

"I just subtracted you!" Quin said, still angry at being lied to and kicked. "We are done. You are all gonna be the good guys now."

And just like that, it was over. The boys fell into a game of pirates together, Quin included. Quin chose a role just south of Alpha in the pack order, out of habit, but no more bullying took place.

It was a relief for me knowing Quin was not going to fill the vacuum left by the bully. He is still my sweet little boy: my sweet, safe, little boy. It was worth the wait.

czarina 11-05-2010 06:39 AM

that's why my son has been taking karate lessons since he was barely 4 years old. It pays off!

Phoenix 11-05-2010 06:42 AM

i liked his response....math :)

will76 11-05-2010 07:18 AM

cool story, can't wait to see what fatfoo has to say about this one, he will have a field day.

Agent 488 11-05-2010 07:19 AM

sounds like shit grannies email each other.

Grapesoda 11-05-2010 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 17674649)
that's why my son has been taking karate lessons since he was barely 4 years old. It pays off!

fuck and I wasted all that time teaching my daughter to read at 3 :(

u-Bob 11-05-2010 07:23 AM

"I just subtracted you!" :)

Phoenix 11-05-2010 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17674740)
sounds like shit grannies email each other.

eh close....it was a girl emailing me...old university friend

we both have kids now...the worst thought in the world is someone hurting your child

im guessing you dont have any

when you do...you will like this story :)

Evil Chris 11-05-2010 07:30 AM

Probably based on truth. Mommy seems to have embellished the hell out of it, though.

PR_Glen 11-05-2010 07:47 AM

sounds fake... more like a parents wet dream. Kids only talk like that in movies, and almost never have a sense of control like that. Boys swear at each other when they are angry call each other things they don't even know the meaning of half the time. They grab anything near them, throw anything they can pick up, bite, scratch, spit.

Actually this sounds like a commercial for karate or jiu jitsu... I remember the karate kids when i was younger, always smaller, always walked around like they were invincible because of it and always cried the loudest when they got knocked down.

Teach your kid to be tough instead, they will get farther, that's the only useful lesson I can pull out of this story.

ottopottomouse 11-05-2010 07:47 AM

How much of a cunt do you have to be to call your son Quinny?

Cyandin 11-05-2010 07:48 AM

That is one great story! Congrats to you and him both - especially you for making a fantastic decision to get your kids on a path that will encourage self assertion as well as fairness and discipline.

Us Dads need more like you among our ranks to help counteract all the losers, drug addicts, abusers and flat out apathetic morons. :thumbsup:thumbsup

ottopottomouse 11-05-2010 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 17674804)
sounds fake...

And yes it does sound like complete bullshit attempting to sell self defence classes to wimps.

JustDaveXxx 11-05-2010 08:31 AM

Nice story, Thanks for sharing.

Phoenix 11-05-2010 09:04 AM

well i have to admit...the full description of the place that taught him being in there was kinda funny

Phoenix 11-05-2010 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyandin (Post 17674811)
That is one great story! Congrats to you and him both - especially you for making a fantastic decision to get your kids on a path that will encourage self assertion as well as fairness and discipline.

Us Dads need more like you among our ranks to help counteract all the losers, drug addicts, abusers and flat out apathetic morons. :thumbsup:thumbsup

its not my story :)

but i liked it as well

webairalex 11-05-2010 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 17674629)
copied from a website that probably doesnt want us linking to them..lol

A bully took a swing at my 6-year-old last week, and I did something I would never have dreamed possible: I stood still. The biggest leap of faith in my entire life turned out to be not leaping at all, but allowing my son to defend himself as he has been taught.

We stopped at the park for the first time since Quinten began the Gracie Bullyproof program at Norfolk Karate Academy in May. Park aversion happens because Quinten, small for his age and with a slight lisp due to being a late-talker, tends to draw bullies like ants to a picnic. This time he begged me and there was nobody there when we arrived, so I gave in.

Within a few minutes, a nanny arrived with four children, three of them boys around Quinny's age.

So there Quin was, at the helm of the big play ship, when the boys climbed up and immediately announced, "This is our ship. Get off!" Quin held his ground and so got a swift kick in the shins from the boldest boy. I ran up and told the child that was not allowed. I walked over to the nanny to ask for her intervention and just as I sat down with her, across the length of the park, the fight began.

I do not like fights. I do not buy gun toys for any of my four boys and I am a pacifist, but I am bone tired of hearing "boys will be boys," when my boys are bleeding and crying on the ground time after time. So, as I have written in this publication before, the older boys and I began taking Gracie jiu-jitsu, and Quinny started attending Gracie Bullyproof classes.

As the nanny started to make excuses, I heard the kids calling Quin names. I heard Quin give the programmed Bullyproof responses: "Don't call me that. I don't want to have to fight, but if you are challenging me to a fight I am not afraid of you. Can't we just stop this?" To which the bold one responded, "Well, I do want to fight!"

I jumped to my feet, but nothing happened. Quinny called to me, "He said he wants to fight, but he isn't, so yea!" That's when the other kid took a run at Quin and swung a haymaker punch right at my baby's face.

Every instinct told me to run to Quin and stand between him and danger. Gracie teaching made me hold my breath. It was now or never. If I intervened now, he might never defend himself.

Also, I hesitated because Quin wasn't panicking, turning into a pill bug, yelling for help, or crying. His body language said, "I'm ready."

It played out just like a class session. Quinny put his hands on his head, ducked under the incoming fist, bumped the bully in the chest like a little goat, grabbed him in a tight hug, and, hooking the boy's leg, took him straight down. The other boy thrashed and Quin held him down in "positional control" unscathed and talking all the while, "Can we stop now? This isn't going good for you."

The other two boys retreated. The attacker agreed to stop and Quin let him up and reached out to shake hands. That's when the other kid kicked him right in his boy parts and Mommy started closing the distance and prepared to vault up the slide.

Quin yelled, "Dude! That was not right!" He repeated the whole drill with a surprise change. Quinny was trying to finish with a headlock so swift and terrible I found myself in the unexpected role of rescuing the bully from what was cuing up to be a very intuitive RNC (rear naked choke). They don't teach that in Bullyproof, but Quinny seemed to be figuring out the mechanics fast.

"He lied last time, Mom," Quin said as I unwound him from the other boy. I said, "I know, honey, but he's done for real this time."

As soon as he was loose, the boy shouted, "What the heck was that? What did you just do to me?"

Quin replied in anticlimax, "Math."

Huh? Not Bullyproof, or at least jiu-jitsu?

"I just subtracted you!" Quin said, still angry at being lied to and kicked. "We are done. You are all gonna be the good guys now."

And just like that, it was over. The boys fell into a game of pirates together, Quin included. Quin chose a role just south of Alpha in the pack order, out of habit, but no more bullying took place.

It was a relief for me knowing Quin was not going to fill the vacuum left by the bully. He is still my sweet little boy: my sweet, safe, little boy. It was worth the wait.

Math! I love it good for you guys.

Rochard 11-05-2010 09:17 AM

Years ago I was shot. I then turned around and beat the shit out of the guy, breaking his jaw. He spent more time in the ER than I did; It was a flesh wound. But I learned a few things. One of them was to be careful when sleeping with someone's girlfriend. But the more important lesson was the strongest man wins the fight, but that's only a temporary thing because the real fight is settled in court some time later. I ended up taking that kid and his parents to court; They settled out of court and I got a nice pay day.

When I see people in our industry getting into fist fights I have to laugh. Your a big man when your sitting in jail over night because your anger got the best of you - and that's the start of your problems.

jimmy-3-way 11-05-2010 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 17674804)
sounds fake... more like a parents wet dream. Kids only talk like that in movies, and almost never have a sense of control like that. Boys swear at each other when they are angry call each other things they don't even know the meaning of half the time. They grab anything near them, throw anything they can pick up, bite, scratch, spit.

Actually this sounds like a commercial for karate or jiu jitsu... I remember the karate kids when i was younger, always smaller, always walked around like they were invincible because of it and always cried the loudest when they got knocked down.

Teach your kid to be tough instead, they will get farther, that's the only useful lesson I can pull out of this story.

Also, try not giving your kid such a gay name.

beemk 11-05-2010 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17675041)
Years ago I was shot. I then turned around and beat the shit out of the guy, breaking his jaw. He spent more time in the ER than I did

keep dreaming

http://www.toplessrobot.com/Rambo-Penticton.jpg

DrewClement 11-05-2010 09:30 AM

Sounds like the lead up to some sort of self-defense rebill offer.

Seriously, if her 6 year old actually acts, thinks, and talks like that.......she should forget taking him to the park and consider getting him into Harvard early.

jimmy-3-way 11-05-2010 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beemk (Post 17675084)

Don't get it twisted.

http://stickfly.com/blog/wp-content/...terminator.jpg

baddog 11-05-2010 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Chris (Post 17674764)
Probably based on truth. Mommy seems to have embellished the hell out of it, though.

"Can we stop now? This isn't going good for you." most definitely does not sound like a 6 year old.

Anthony 11-05-2010 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 17674629)
copied from a website that probably doesnt want us linking to them..lol

A bully took a swing at my 6-year-old last week, and I did something I would never have dreamed possible: I stood still. The biggest leap of faith in my entire life turned out to be not leaping at all, but allowing my son to defend himself as he has been taught.

We stopped at the park for the first time since Quinten began the Gracie Bullyproof program at Norfolk Karate Academy in May. Park aversion happens because Quinten, small for his age and with a slight lisp due to being a late-talker, tends to draw bullies like ants to a picnic. This time he begged me and there was nobody there when we arrived, so I gave in.

Within a few minutes, a nanny arrived with four children, three of them boys around Quinny's age.

So there Quin was, at the helm of the big play ship, when the boys climbed up and immediately announced, "This is our ship. Get off!" Quin held his ground and so got a swift kick in the shins from the boldest boy. I ran up and told the child that was not allowed. I walked over to the nanny to ask for her intervention and just as I sat down with her, across the length of the park, the fight began.

I do not like fights. I do not buy gun toys for any of my four boys and I am a pacifist, but I am bone tired of hearing "boys will be boys," when my boys are bleeding and crying on the ground time after time. So, as I have written in this publication before, the older boys and I began taking Gracie jiu-jitsu, and Quinny started attending Gracie Bullyproof classes.

As the nanny started to make excuses, I heard the kids calling Quin names. I heard Quin give the programmed Bullyproof responses: "Don't call me that. I don't want to have to fight, but if you are challenging me to a fight I am not afraid of you. Can't we just stop this?" To which the bold one responded, "Well, I do want to fight!"

I jumped to my feet, but nothing happened. Quinny called to me, "He said he wants to fight, but he isn't, so yea!" That's when the other kid took a run at Quin and swung a haymaker punch right at my baby's face.

Every instinct told me to run to Quin and stand between him and danger. Gracie teaching made me hold my breath. It was now or never. If I intervened now, he might never defend himself.

Also, I hesitated because Quin wasn't panicking, turning into a pill bug, yelling for help, or crying. His body language said, "I'm ready."

It played out just like a class session. Quinny put his hands on his head, ducked under the incoming fist, bumped the bully in the chest like a little goat, grabbed him in a tight hug, and, hooking the boy's leg, took him straight down. The other boy thrashed and Quin held him down in "positional control" unscathed and talking all the while, "Can we stop now? This isn't going good for you."

The other two boys retreated. The attacker agreed to stop and Quin let him up and reached out to shake hands. That's when the other kid kicked him right in his boy parts and Mommy started closing the distance and prepared to vault up the slide.

Quin yelled, "Dude! That was not right!" He repeated the whole drill with a surprise change. Quinny was trying to finish with a headlock so swift and terrible I found myself in the unexpected role of rescuing the bully from what was cuing up to be a very intuitive RNC (rear naked choke). They don't teach that in Bullyproof, but Quinny seemed to be figuring out the mechanics fast.

"He lied last time, Mom," Quin said as I unwound him from the other boy. I said, "I know, honey, but he's done for real this time."

As soon as he was loose, the boy shouted, "What the heck was that? What did you just do to me?"

Quin replied in anticlimax, "Math."

Huh? Not Bullyproof, or at least jiu-jitsu?

"I just subtracted you!" Quin said, still angry at being lied to and kicked. "We are done. You are all gonna be the good guys now."

And just like that, it was over. The boys fell into a game of pirates together, Quin included. Quin chose a role just south of Alpha in the pack order, out of habit, but no more bullying took place.

It was a relief for me knowing Quin was not going to fill the vacuum left by the bully. He is still my sweet little boy: my sweet, safe, little boy. It was worth the wait.

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for the WIN!

Anthony 11-05-2010 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17674813)
And yes it does sound like complete bullshit attempting to sell self defence classes to wimps.

The only problem to your argument is that Royce Gracie in the first 3 UFCs used the same techniques to win.

Duck under punch, hands on head, to clinch with fist in lower back, and leg trip. From there it was either getting choked out or your arm broken.

The Gracies have come out with Combatives and Bully Proof programs that are cut to the chase. Good stuff if you aren't interested in the Sport aspect of BJJ.

The Bullyproof program is outstanding. From Verbal Jiu Jitsu to defense.


TheSenator 11-05-2010 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by czarina (Post 17674649)
that's why my son has been taking karate lessons since he was barely 4 years old. It pays off!

Sorry but karate doesn't answer the fundamental question of how defend yourself against a bigger opponent especially a bully.


I teach BJJ to kids and they all do live sparring every class at full speed. The live sparring mimics a real fight minus the strikes. My kids are prepared to defend themselves and only apply a submission hold as a last resort.

TheSenator 11-05-2010 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 17674804)
sounds fake... more like a parents wet dream. Kids only talk like that in movies, and almost never have a sense of control like that. Boys swear at each other when they are angry call each other things they don't even know the meaning of half the time. They grab anything near them, throw anything they can pick up, bite, scratch, spit.

Actually this sounds like a commercial for karate or jiu jitsu... I remember the karate kids when i was younger, always smaller, always walked around like they were invincible because of it and always cried the loudest when they got knocked down.

Teach your kid to be tough instead, they will get farther, that's the only useful lesson I can pull out of this story.

Please, don't put karate and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu on the same boat.

Think of BJJ as wrestling with submission. Think of karate as kick boxing with katas.

Two totally different martial arts.

Anthony 11-05-2010 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 17675123)
Sorry but karate doesn't answer the fundamental question of how defend yourself against a bigger opponent especially a bully.


I teach BJJ to kids and they all do live sparring every class at full speed. The live sparring mimics a real fight minus the strikes. My kids are prepared to defend themselves and only apply a submission hold as a last resort.

I'm glad you brought it up. Not everyone understands "Fight like we train, alive".

WarChild 11-05-2010 09:49 AM

I teach sometimes up to 30 kids at once at Gracie Barra Vancouver. We follow a program that's very close to the Bully Proof program and I integrate a vast array of their techniques in my classes.

One thing I always use is what they call the "perfect correction" and I have to say it works like a dream. The brothers have put together a fantastic children's program.

I have students ranging from 4-12 years old and I've seen the program work first hand taking a child with very little self confidence and building them up from the ground up. Fantastic sport for kids.

Anthony 11-05-2010 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 17675141)
Please, don't put karate and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu on the same boat.

Think of BJJ as wrestling with submission. Think of karate as kick boxing with katas.

Two totally different martial arts.

If I may add, BJJ has an emphasis on fighting off your back.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc0_1282436173&p=1

TheSenator 11-05-2010 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 17675155)
I teach sometimes up to 30 kids at once at Gracie Barra Vancouver. We follow a program that's very close to the Bully Proof program and I integrate a vast array of their techniques in my classes.

One thing I always use is what they call the "perfect correction" and I have to say it works like a dream. The brothers have put together a fantastic children's program.

I have students ranging from 4-12 years old and I've seen the program work first hand taking a child with very little self confidence and building them up from the ground up. Fantastic sport for kids.

30 kids must be a handful. I have problems with just 10 kids ranging from 6-12.

I am gonna need an assistant.

WarChild 11-05-2010 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 17675182)
30 kids must be a handful. I have problems with just 10 kids ranging from 6-12.

I am gonna need an assistant.

Myself and a brown belt split the head teaching duties and we have anywhere from 2-3 blue belts as assistants. Even then they're a handfull!

Interesting trend developing though I've noticed over the last 6 months or so. Of the new students under the age of about 6 or 7 that join, a good 80% of them have been little girls.

TheSenator 11-05-2010 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 17675205)
Myself and a brown belt split the head teaching duties and we have anywhere from 2-3 blue belts as assistants. Even then they're a handfull!

Interesting trend developing though I've noticed over the last 6 months or so. Of the new students under the age of about 6 or 7 that join, a good 80% of them have been little girls.

I have one girl and she man handles the boys and her technique is far superior.

WarChild 11-05-2010 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 17675207)
I have one girl and she man handles the boys and her technique is far superior.

Yeah I have two 10 year old orange belt girls and they have very good technique. They're also probably the meanest in the class. They're starting to get surpassed by some of the 10-12 year old boys who have now been training for more than a year and are naturally gifted athletes though now.

Anthony 11-05-2010 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 17675205)
Myself and a brown belt split the head teaching duties and we have anywhere from 2-3 blue belts as assistants. Even then they're a handfull!

Interesting trend developing though I've noticed over the last 6 months or so. Of the new students under the age of about 6 or 7 that join, a good 80% of them have been little girls.

It was about 50% at ATT. And the little girls were vicious. My twins started at 9. My daughter used to beat my boy with pure technique over half the time. Around 12, he started getting bigger than her, and that's about when she stopped.

will76 11-05-2010 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17675041)
But the more important lesson was the strongest man wins the fight,

that is not true. The important lesson is if you going to use a gun to go take target practice. The strongest man had nothing to do with it if weapons are involved. Even though you were stronger than him, if he was a better shot you would be dead and he wouldn't have had a broken jaw.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17675041)
but that's only a temporary thing because the real fight is settled in court some time later. I ended up taking that kid and his parents to court; They settled out of court and I got a nice pay day.

When I see people in our industry getting into fist fights I have to laugh. Your a big man when your sitting in jail over night because your anger got the best of you - and that's the start of your problems.

I would never get into a fight in a "business" environment or with people who know what you do, you just asking to be sued if they know you make decent money. But if out at a bar, under the right circumstances where fighting was warranted or of course to defend myself, then its different.

will76 11-05-2010 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrewClement (Post 17675086)
Sounds like the lead up to some sort of self-defense rebill offer.

Seriously, if her 6 year old actually acts, thinks, and talks like that.......she should forget taking him to the park and consider getting him into Harvard early.

or a good plug or ad for that antibully school or class or whatever it was.

96ukssob 11-05-2010 10:42 AM

glad to see that some parents are not letting their kids be pussies. when I was younger, I moved schools in 5th grade and got picked on because I was "the new kid."

it was expected, but got pretty annoying quick, particularly with one kid who was the former new kid and had it out for me. it would take place on the playground, he would trip me, I would hit him in the face with the kickball... back and forth non stop

the last straw was we were in a friends backyard playing baseball and he decided to hit me with the bat (plastic) in the face intentionally. That HURT and pissed me off. I ran back to my house (about 4 houses away) almost in tears and grabbed my aluminum bat and ran back to the house.

I got one good swing to him before i was pulled off and got a kick to his face which busted his nose and lip. about 2 minutes later I saw my mom running up the back yard and she looked PISSED. his parents came and our parents were yelling.

It didnt end well when I said "your son is a pussy" and my dad grabbed me by the arm and drug me home. Later he said I went to far and should only use my fists to fight and not weapons

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh kinda funny how I didn't get in trouble, but my mom was pissed and said I should of walked away, but my dad said stand my ground

BruceM 11-05-2010 10:44 AM

Reading this thread has me craving a BBBJ

_Richard_ 11-05-2010 10:50 AM

seems like a sales pitch..

Hentaikid 11-05-2010 11:03 AM

Mathematical! And such is the kind of thing they say in adventure time, a new cartoon, so I'd believe kids would say things like that, nowadays.

nico-t 11-05-2010 11:10 AM

yeah right. A six year old with lines like "Math."
Bullshit story, too bad.


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