Just get money wired to you, or a cheque sent, what's the big deal?
 

I've never used an alternative payment method in a decade other than paypal.

Are you trying to money launder or some other crooked activity?

What's the big deal?

i kinda like getting checks again :)

I'm not being funny but every major sponsor I promote wires me my commission.

Why would I give a toss about their few $ fees each transaction? It saves me going to the damn bank and wasting an hour of my time.

All these people whining must be either making a seriously small amount of money, or be doing it for ulterior motives. Admittedly I used to get the money wired to my offshore account but those days are over...heh.

are you going to send a wire for that $100 design? or $50 worth of backlinks?


the answer is P2P

Paypal. I pay my programmers and designers with paypal, simple as that.

Most people here are whining about affiliate payouts.

I'd never be that stupid to entrust thousands of $ in the form of anything other than internationally recognised banking transactions = cheques and wires. Finish.

- half the world can't get a verified account to accept PP and then withdraw from it
- risky, because they freeze accounts on a whim
- huge fees



Whoop-deee-fucking do.

You would never, however tens of thousands of webmasters need that kind of service.

Paypal is free for the receiver and sender pretty much. Huge fees my ass. I pay an adult designer as "design services" - how is there any risk whatsoever? Unless I'm a dumb cunt that says "paying for 20 hardcore anal scenes" in the payment description. (I wouldn't put it past people looking at the calibre of posters on here lately).

Can't get a verified account? All they do to verify is put in a few cents in your bank account (I take it most people in the world can get one of those?) and it's verified. Have you never opened a paypal account? :1orglaugh

It's a pain in the ass for international webmasters when it comes getting a check.

About wires, not all make min 500$ per month per sponsor to get paid to let say 20 sponsors :)

I'm zero in loss from the ePass because i didn't let to have more than 100$ sitting on my account


You missing the fact that not all live in US/Canada

I know, I have probably around $3K-$4K owed to me right now, money sitting in their accounts because of that, but if it ever became an issue and I didn't think it was an ongoing relationship with the sponsor, I'd switch to lower payouts and go the cheque route.

Of course there's also a chance they will all go bust too, so you lose your money that way as well.

Great business I'm in. :disgust

Last month i got a cheque... It took me 2 weeks to received and another 4 weeks my bank to give me the cash. I can't get why some individuals leave more than a 500$ in services like paypal or epassporte. I've used epassporte from the start and it saved me lot of time and money for bank fees.

Wires are ok and I use them all the time. Checks are a huge pain to cash here in Sweden, $20 per check in fee + 2 weeks hold on the money, and I have to go to the bank.

paxum/paypal etc are good for receiving money from sponsors you only make ~100 a month or so from.

- spreading your traffic over 200 programs = getting 200 checks...
- depositing a $50 check can cost you up to $25.

International wire - fee is usually $40-50.. so not ok if the program you promote is a small one and makes a sale only here and there
Cheque - fee is low compared to wire (around $15-$20 to cash in, 6 weeks waiting time - 2 weeks till you receive the cheque and 4 weeks till the bank clears it), however it's a pain in the ass.

ePass - low fee's, P2P, VISA CARD, WIRE ($50 fee, but you can accumulate earnings from multiple small sponsors and send them out in once to your bank accuont..)

You don't need a third party service, congratulations.

Other people in other locations, and those who earn smaller commissions do, and it is up to them which of the new epassporte clones they "trust" to help them get paid cheaper and quicker.

I am sure that knowing you don't need to use any of the services, will make them all sleep better at nights.

Seriously man, what did you actually think a thread like this would achieve?

Its simple man. Have you seen epassportelawsuit.com?
It was showing a breakup of the adult industry by countries.

1. Russian Federation
2. United States of America
3. Ukraine

Getting an international wire in Russian Federation is almost as buying a direct ticket to jail. Especially if that wire is for adult services. Not to mention that you have to declare it everywhere to get your money. Same shit in Ukraine. You have to sell an arm and a leg to get a wire there. Prove your source of income, show invoices, etc etc.
Cheques? Are you kidding me? "WTF is that?" says a bank clerk.
Paypal? Can't withraw money in these two countries.

And I'm talking about 2 of the biggest sources of webmasters judging by the sums they have stuck on Epassporte. (Which in fact too did not officially support these two countries).

So to sum up, yeah, checks and wires are great. But its really bad for anyone to the east Poland, and to the West of Alaska. Only these guys had like 70% of the money stuck on Epassporte..

Many affiliates make small amount of sales with many different sponsors. Paying for wire transfers adds up when your looking at 10+ payouts.

With e-currency,i can get money instantly,while with check/wire i need to wait ages.Huge difference

Paypals not free, its works out to about 1 day a months salary to receive.
unless you get paid by echeck, that's free but takes a few days to clear.

Still prefer it over checks, but wire are the easiest.

It doesn't mean that Russia and Ukraine is two of the biggest sources of webmasters, it just means that a large % of webmasters in those countries use epass for the reasons you stated. Where as the large amount using it in the US was probably to try to avoid paying taxes. There is no reason anyone in the US had to use epass, they could have received checks and deposited them with no costs.

checks cost/wire cost > p2p cost

pretty simple answer for me , unless you like giving away money.

For most people p2p is like combining wires without the hassle or huge cost associated.

for many paypal is not an option.

makes it easier to avoid giving child support to my bastard children.

time = money


5 days to recieve , 5 days to send = 10 stagnant days , money is doing nothing.

if we both start with 100k seed money , and double our money overnight, i would have 3.2 million after 5 days , you wouldnt even have your first 200k check cashed yet.

I get checks. And I'm fine with checks.

In fact, I just stopped my PO Box too. It was worthless. Why pay $100 a year to pick my mail up someplace else?

Generally these people are balking at it because they're doing their best to avoid paying any taxes on the money they're earning. That's why they don't want means that can be easily tracked.