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gumdrop 10-03-2010 08:06 AM
U.S. issues European travel alert
 
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The U.S. State Department has issued an alert for Americans travelling in Europe, warning them there is a greater potential that al-Qaeda may launch attacks against U.S. citizens and Europeans.

Authorities are concerned that militants may be planning co-ordinated attacks similar to the Mumbai shooting rampage in 2008.

The alert does not focus on any particular areas of Europe but urges U.S. citizens to be extra vigilant when they're in public places such as tourist spots and transportation hubs.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/1...#ixzz11JBtkGFW

minicivan 10-03-2010 08:54 AM
Fucking Bush! Oh .. wait...

greg80 10-03-2010 08:55 AM
bullshit. Way more chance you sufficate while eating dinner at home than to die due to terrorist attack

Ethersync 10-03-2010 08:58 AM
Sounds like propaganda to me.

potter 10-03-2010 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by greg80 (Post 17566188)
bullshit. Way more chance you sufficate while eating dinner at home than to die due to terrorist attack

nooooooo.. the fear machine says you will dieeeeee.. be scurredddd

Sly 10-03-2010 09:11 AM
Considering I'm sure most of the world did this to the States after 9/11, this should be pretty much expected after the recent attacks in Europe. Sorry Euro friends, you are not immune to the extremist Muslim hatred of America.

MaDalton 10-03-2010 09:47 AM
pure fear mongering - it got too silent recently so they have to keep people in line before they demand their freedom back :2 cents:

theking 10-03-2010 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17566392)
pure fear mongering - it got too silent recently so they have to keep people in line before they demand their freedom back :2 cents:
Who is they and who has lost their freedom?

MaDalton 10-03-2010 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17566440)
Who is they and who has lost their freedom?
i assume this is a rethorical question

Probono 10-03-2010 10:42 AM
If Boston was not in the US, the State Dept would issue a travel alert for Boston. Living out of the US you learn that the State Department, the embassies and the like are ignorant of any reality outside their gated compounds.

theking 10-03-2010 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17566522)
i assume this is a rethorical question
I think you live in Germany...so am I to assume that the "they" you are speaking about are the German people and that Germans have lost their freedom? If so...I was unaware of this.

Sly 10-03-2010 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17566392)
pure fear mongering - it got too silent recently so they have to keep people in line before they demand their freedom back :2 cents:
So the United States issues travel advisories to remind Americans that it's safe in the United States due to our high level of security, so that they don't demand freedom back?

That's an interesting theory. Not that anyone even pays attention to travel advisories to begin with.

ContentPimp 10-03-2010 10:53 AM
This is retarded. Unlike america, europe is not ONE country with states. Its about time the media, the gov and other idiots stop this miseducation.

MaDalton 10-03-2010 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17566530)
I think you live in Germany...so am I to assume that the "they" you are speaking about are the German people and that Germans have lost their freedom? If so...I was unaware of this.
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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 17566539)
So the United States issues travel advisories to remind Americans that it's safe in the United States due to our high level of security, so that they don't demand freedom back?

That's an interesting theory. Not that anyone even pays attention to travel advisories to begin with.
WE all have lost part of our freedom because OUR goverments have put up lots of bullshit regulations after 9/11 that are supposed to make us safer but only make us more exposed to those that we elected and that were supposed to take care of us. they do, but not the way they should.

has any of you two recenty travelled TO the US? you would be surprised with how many questions immigration can come up with.

read about SWIFT or why the US demands all personal data of all people who travel to the US before they even step on the plane.

but it's not the US alone, just look at the insane amounts of cameras in England or the ideas of the german government about monitoring and recording data of all internet activity.

everything because of the "terrorist threat" and people comply cause they think they are safer this way.

i could go on for a while but i am not wasting my sunday on that.

minicivan 10-03-2010 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17566392)
pure fear mongering - it got too silent recently so they have to keep people in line before they demand their freedom back :2 cents:
Of course. Because we all know terrorists and terror attacks do not really exist.

theking 10-03-2010 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17566574)
WE all have lost part of our freedom because OUR goverments have put up lots of bullshit regulations after 9/11 that are supposed to make us safer but only make us more exposed to those that we elected and that were supposed to take care of us. they do, but not the way they should.

has any of you two recenty travelled TO the US? you would be surprised with how many questions immigration can come up with.

read about SWIFT or why the US demands all personal data of all people who travel to the US before they even step on the plane.

but it's not the US alone, just look at the insane amounts of cameras in England or the ideas of the german government about monitoring and recording data of all internet activity.

everything because of the "terrorist threat" and people comply cause they think they are safer this way.

i could go on for a while but i am not wasting my sunday on that.
Well...in my case...I do not travel internationally anymore...and I do not fly domestically anymore...and a small part of the reason is because of the additional bullshit that one has to go through...to do both...but the freedom to travel internationally is still there and the freedom to travel domestically is still there (at least in the U.S.).

Other than the additional hassle in international travel and domestic commercial flight...I for one am not aware of any loss of freedom since 9/11. I do the very same things that I did prior to 9/11.

Probono 10-03-2010 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17566579)
Of course. Because we all know terrorists and terror attacks do not really exist.
And if they didn't government would invent them, so they can have more publicly supported fear. ( Who knows maybe they did invent them)

In my life I have seen an erosion of individual freedom in the US I would not have imagined possible. The magic of using fear to have people consent to about anything is not a new concept but it is being used with mastery in the US now.

theking 10-03-2010 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Probono (Post 17566618)
And if they didn't government would invent them, so they can have more publicly supported fear. ( Who knows maybe they did invent them)

In my life I have seen an erosion of individual freedom in the US I would not have imagined possible. The magic of using fear to have people consent to about anything is not a new concept but it is being used with mastery in the US now.
Maybe you can be specific and list the erosion of individual freedom you have seen.

Sarah_Jayne 10-03-2010 11:33 AM
About once a year there is a period where I don't speak much in public. This shall be that period for this year.

dyna mo 10-03-2010 11:36 AM
it's just an alert, it's not a conspiracy.

Probono 10-03-2010 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17566665)
Maybe you can be specific and list the erosion of individual freedom you have seen.
A short list, in the past.

I felt secure in my home without fear of police charging in because someone reported I was smoking a joint.
I recall going into an airport without feeling like a suspect.
I remember being able to have a few drinks with friends and not fear driving home.
I recall when the government listening to my communications required a warrant.
I recall when immigration and customs did not interrogate me each time I entered the country.
I recall being able to move money internationally without the IRS wanting notice.
I recall driving with out surveillance cameras on many roads.
I recall not being a criminal for hiring an undocumented person, never needed to check documents.
I recall when government, especially the federal government was not prying into my life, keeping files and records.

I recall life before the two recent futile wars, the war on drugs, and the war against terror. Both of these provide government with unlimited justification to stick their noses into everyones life.

closer 10-03-2010 11:51 AM
I don't pay much attention to this "terror alert", have more important things in my life going on. Once you give into fear "they" have won.

Agent 488 10-03-2010 12:00 PM
kill 'em all and yet allah sort 'em out.

gumdrop 10-03-2010 12:02 PM

theking 10-03-2010 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Probono (Post 17566701)
A short list, in the past.

I felt secure in my home without fear of police charging in because someone reported I was smoking a joint.

I am in my fifties and it is my opinion that most states...if not all...have relaxed marijuana laws.

I recall going into an airport without feeling like a suspect.

The hassle of flying commercially has been increased but one still has the freedom to fly commercially.

I remember being able to have a few drinks with friends and not fear driving home.

Drinking and driving penalties have been increased in my lifetime...as they should have ...in my opinion.

I recall when the government listening to my communications required a warrant.

To my knowledge it still requires judicial oversight.

I recall when immigration and customs did not interrogate me each time I entered the country.

I have always been "interrogated" when I have entered the country...but there are more questions asked this day and age.

I recall being able to move money internationally without the IRS wanting notice.

As I recall...in my lifetime...there has always been a sum of money that brought notice to the IRS.

I recall driving with out surveillance cameras on many roads.

The number of traffic cameras have increased...but I view this as a good thing.

I recall not being a criminal for hiring an undocumented person, never needed to check documents.

To may knowledge...in my lifetime...it has always been a crime to hire an illegal immigrant.

I recall when government, especially the federal government was not prying into my life, keeping files and records.

To my knowledge...in my lifetime...the government has always kept records on citizens.

I recall life before the two recent futile wars, the war on drugs, and the war against terror. Both of these provide government with unlimited justification to stick their noses into everyone's life.

I agree that the government has increased its powers...they are not unlimited powers...in an attempt to curtail those that engage in illegal activities...which I think is a good thing.
My response.

Probono 10-03-2010 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17566792)
My response.
And your point is?

Anyone so xenophobic as to not see the price of change, needs read some history before it is all rewritten.

dyna mo 10-03-2010 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Probono (Post 17566820)
And your point is?

Anyone so xenophobic as to not see the price of change, needs read some history before it is all rewritten.
the simple fact is we live in a society with rules. the reasons for the rules should be obvious. if you don't like the rules, you are free to go live in the woods/as far away from society as possible.

theking 10-03-2010 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17566846)
the simple fact is we live in a society with rules. the reasons for the rules should be obvious. if you don't like the rules, you are free to go live in the woods/as far away from society as possible.
dyna mo...if I am wrong about any of my responses to him...will you advise me please?

theking 10-03-2010 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Probono (Post 17566820)
And your point is?

Anyone so xenophobic as to not see the price of change, needs read some history before it is all rewritten.
I am and have been a student of history...thank you very much.

Probono 10-03-2010 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17566846)
the simple fact is we live in a society with rules. the reasons for the rules should be obvious. if you don't like the rules, you are free to go live in the woods/as far away from society as possible.
The dilemma is that as governments impose more rules, more restrictions, they do it at the expense of individual freedom. The tea baggers have that part right, they of course blend it with ignorance and prejudice, that makes them even worse that the current status.

Yes, I did vote with my feet and no longer live in the, "The land of the free, the home of the brave". Sad because I and many others gave much to protect those fundamental freedoms on which the republic was founded.

baddog 10-03-2010 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Probono (Post 17566701)
A short list, in the past.

I felt secure in my home without fear of police charging in because someone reported I was smoking a joint.
I recall going into an airport without feeling like a suspect.
I remember being able to have a few drinks with friends and not fear driving home.
I recall when the government listening to my communications required a warrant.
I recall when immigration and customs did not interrogate me each time I entered the country.
I recall being able to move money internationally without the IRS wanting notice.
I recall driving with out surveillance cameras on many roads.
I recall not being a criminal for hiring an undocumented person, never needed to check documents.
I recall when government, especially the federal government was not prying into my life, keeping files and records.

I recall life before the two recent futile wars, the war on drugs, and the war against terror. Both of these provide government with unlimited justification to stick their noses into everyones life.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Seriously? I thought I knew who this was, I guess not.

dyna mo 10-03-2010 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17566861)
dyna mo...if I am wrong about any of my responses to him...will you advise me please?
well, i tend to think we should allow drunk drivers on the roads, let people walk onto airplanes unchecked, let anyone enter the country without identification, and hire illegal immigrants without consequences. that would be good for society.


:winkwink:

dyna mo 10-03-2010 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Probono (Post 17566877)
The dilemma is that as governments impose more rules, more restrictions, they do it at the expense of individual freedom. The tea baggers have that part right, they of course blend it with ignorance and prejudice, that makes them even worse that the current status.

Yes, I did vote with my feet and no longer live in the, "The land of the free, the home of the brave". Sad because I and many others gave much to protect those fundamental freedoms on which the republic was founded.
individual freedoms were impacted the second the human population decided to form societies.

baddog 10-03-2010 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Probono (Post 17566877)

Yes, I did vote with my feet and no longer live in the, "The land of the free, the home of the brave". Sad because I and many others gave much to protect those fundamental freedoms on which the republic was founded.
Okay, that is hilarious. It seems that most of those things you are complaining about are more prevalent in the EU than the US.

Just saying.

Davy 10-03-2010 01:05 PM
Show me a link to that warning that the US issued!

Go on... show it!

baddog 10-03-2010 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Davy (Post 17566918)
Show me a link to that warning that the US issued!

Go on... show it!
I was hearing it on the BBC two weeks ago it seems.


http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/104234484.html

gumdrop 10-03-2010 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17566942)
I was hearing it on the BBC two weeks ago it seems.


http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/104234484.html
CBC has been reporting it for at least a week. Seems our US cousins/bros never get the real news.

dyna mo 10-03-2010 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by gumdrop (Post 17567262)
CBC has been reporting it for at least a week. Seems our US cousins/bros never get the real news.
fyi, brainiac, it was issued by the u.s. state dept today and shown on their site.

Dcat 10-03-2010 04:51 PM
The government can hardly help themselves now, it's just too fun rapping on the "FEAR" button.

Taking away rights and freedoms has never been so easy!

:banana

Davy 10-03-2010 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Ethersync (Post 17566203)
Sounds like propaganda to me.
It is propaganda. This news story hit several websites before Sunday and all said the US department would make an announcement.
So they were tipped off by the spokes who feed them the information.

For ten minutes now, I am trying to find that announcement on the US Department of State website.

It's all bogus.

baddog 10-03-2010 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17567269)
fyi, brainiac, it was issued by the u.s. state dept today and shown on their site.
Perhaps, but pretty sure I was hearing this while in BCN and AMS on the BBC.

rogueteens 10-03-2010 04:56 PM
Most European countries have been dealing with terrorism for much longer than 9/11.
The only difference is that the terrorists are now Islamic and not home-grown.

dyna mo 10-03-2010 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17567317)
Perhaps, but pretty sure I was hearing this while in BCN and AMS on the BBC.
i figured that's what you meant, i was just replying to dufus who used this topic as an opportunity to bash america/americans.

dyna mo 10-03-2010 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Davy (Post 17567314)
It is propaganda. This news story hit several websites before Sunday and all said the US department would make an announcement.
So they were tipped off by the spokes who feed them the information.

For ten minutes now, I am trying to find that announcement on the US Department of State website.

It's all bogus.
took about .002 seconds to find the alert.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...pa_europe.html

man, some paranoid peeps here.

gumdrop 10-03-2010 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17567269)
fyi, brainiac, it was issued by the u.s. state dept today and shown on their site.
FYI, it's been reported around the world even before that brainlack. But of course the US media...well that's another story. Get out of the box....or rather FOX

dyna mo 10-03-2010 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by gumdrop (Post 17567511)
FYI, it's been reported around the world even before that brainlack. But of course the US media...well that's another story. Get out of the box....or rather FOX
keep ASSuming, it's a good look for you.

fact is, it was officially released as an alert today.

either way, big fucking whoopie, it's an alert, not even a warning.

you paranoid retards can spin it all you want but it's simply an alert.

gumdrop 10-03-2010 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17567516)
keep ASSuming, it's a good look for you.

fact is, it was officially released as an alert today.

either way, big fucking whoopie, it's an alert, not even a warning.

you paranoid retards can spin it all you want but it's simply an alert.
Sure...but those ALERTS seem a little more prevalent these days since 9/11. I wonder why.

dyna mo 10-03-2010 06:47 PM
because there's a gov conspiracy to keep all americans home watching fox news, duh.

minicivan 10-03-2010 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Probono (Post 17566618)
And if they didn't government would invent them, so they can have more publicly supported fear. ( Who knows maybe they did invent them)

In my life I have seen an erosion of individual freedom in the US I would not have imagined possible. The magic of using fear to have people consent to about anything is not a new concept but it is being used with mastery in the US now.
And if all kittens grew laser beams on their heads and started killing people...
if
if
if...

We are not talking about fantasy and what might be, "if...".

The point is that there is a problem. Government gets blamed for not stopping terror acts or warning people. Government gets blamed for warning people and stopping attacks. You think travel warnings to Mexico are a fabrication? Or do you think its because ex paramilitaries who became drug lords are patrolling cities and cutting off heads of teachers and putting them in front of schools?

Nothing changed in your life but your perceptions of what is.

theking 10-03-2010 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gumdrop (Post 17567511)
FYI, it's been reported around the world even before that brainlack. But of course the US media...well that's another story. Get out of the box....or rather FOX
No it was not...what was reported...just as it was reported here...that an alert was going to be released...and now it has been released.


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