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What will any of these Epass clones do FOR us to get our business?
An interesting point came up in Paxum's latest thread where they excitedly told us all that the cards that would cost us $45 to get are ready to be sent to us (like OMG, sooo exciting!!!1). I got an early joke in, half-joke half-truth given the absurdity of these vulture companies capitalizing on people's Epass woes: "Can you send them to us with money already on them? That would REALLY show your confidence." The Paxum employee laughed it off.
Then wot brought up a great point and one all these companies, especially the brand new ones, should consider: Quote:
- Many people just got fucked by Epass...some of them big time. - For many of these places, we need to pay out money to even get the functionality we want (i.e. $45 for Paxum's card) - Many of these new options are exactly that - NEW. No history to judge by, nothing. - Some of these new options look/smell/taste/feel very much like Epass, which means somewhere down the line they, their bank, or their card provider could fuck all of us. None of them are even saying why that would never happen with them, and that would be one of the very FIRST things I would tell people - what things are put into place to prevent an Epass situation from occurring. - Banks like Chase give money for people to start accounts there, poker sites match deposits and make money on the rake (fees) afterwards, etc. Why isn't a single one of these new places doing this to get business? Thus far it's been 100% spamming the boards to get new business, and doing so after most of us just got fucked by our last main option. Simply vultures. It doesn't have to be giving us money even...how about something like waiving fees for the first 90 days including new card fees? Or something...DO something FOR us so that we choose you - don't just blast "pick me! pick me!" at us all day long. It's working on some people but isn't going to work on most. |
What us affiliates wants is really irrelevant, we are going to have to use what our sponsors use (or checks).
Decision isn't really up to us, at least not with how indecisive we are as a bunch. |
I'd be happy if one of them just stuck around and operated properly.
But yeh, my first PayPal account had five dollars in it. At the time, it was very cool. Personally I don't think charging someone for your brand-new product (with a fair amount of competition) will get you very far, but I have already seen a lot of demand for each of these payment companies. Will be interesting to see which few affiliates really cling on to. |
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A lot of sponsors are scrambling to set up the proper payment systems that affiliates want... the problem is this, everyone seems to want different systems! There are about five I am seeing daily now. It may seem simple to quickly add five new payment types into a payment system, but it's really not. Up until this month, everyone was happy with check, wire, and ePass. Right now it's a free for all and everyone is going in different directions. It's like herding cats! |
like i posted in my thread I am going to checks n wires str8 from sponsors....
at this point to even consider a "epass" alternative is pretty much russian roulette... |
That's what I mean by it's not up to us. We couldn't agree on the color of the sky if you asked in a poll on this board. Adult webmasters are as indecisive as they come.
I would bet most/many of us are just sitting back waiting to see which is the most commonly used. |
Go for the check option or get a brick and mortar job. How many more times are you fucking retards going to get fucked before you realize it? Deal with a REAL BANK, not some fat Italian douche bag in an Armani shirt with a faggoty smile.
If you trust any up in comer in this day and age you deserve to get fucked in the ass dry. :2 cents: |
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They're not doing anything but spam to win people over though. Quote:
The whole point of this is that despite these valid trust issues, none of these places are doing anything even to relieve the lack of trust let alone give a reason to use them over others except for "features"...woo. |
Like others I prefer checks and wires. These prepaid cards and alternatives always seem to have a "scammish" feel to them. Annual fees, Decline fees (wtf?), balance inquiry fee (wtf?), Transaction fees, etc. All sorts of ridiculous fees for every little thing you do or don't do. Significantly worse than your average bank. And then we know so little about them...
I mean Is it really necessary to charge us $1 to check our balance? |
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How casinos could match your deposit is because you will eventually play that money there and will loose it. Statistically the overwhelming majority will play till they loos everything or there are some find print that says you have to play the free money given several times over before withdrawing it making sure you dont see any money. At Paxum we believe we should be transparent and if we do some promotion we will not make 100 fine prints to laugh at users and just bullshit them. If we give it away we have to give as I explained in my post close to $100 per account to pay for the expenses and those $100 will not be made back before years and years. everybody is used to very low fees and trust us that we make pennies on some transactions and on other transactions we eat up the fees to make it bearable for cardholders. We simply cannot make back $100 from fees and giving that away to people that might abuse it and bring all their friends and family mmebers in just to get $20 free is simply not worth unless the fraud is managed in perfect way. And if the fraud is manage too well that always comes with complains and abuses where real people will be denied their fair chance and again we are back to square one. We will consider the idea and I thank you and the rest for the suggestion but thats not a decision that can be taken in one day and not by myself alone. |
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The other fees like $1 balance inquiry we never charge anything like that , Paxum has free balance check in real time you can refresh it 100 times a day if you want you will not be charged a penny. I am not sure where you saw $1 fee for balance inquiry. |
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REality is that most of the "masses" who relied on epassporte would jump back on it again if it (or specifically the cards already in the market) reappeared anytime soon and probably most major sponsors would also give it another chance given the fact that it instantly removes the setup cost of subsidising or paying for your affiliates' cards.
Whilst it is probably not likely to happen, until the final nail is hammered into the coffin of epassporte and St Kitts categorically rule out EVER reactivating the hundreds of thousands of cards already out there in people's hands.......these processors are all jostling for a "maybe" share and need to cover their issuing costs. |
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It's not to say you have to do it for all members you get, but the first X members so that you guys get started off on a strong foot. I have to admit that while Payoneer took a bit longer to come here, their first post was much better than Paxum's first posts and included a very good thing to help alleviate trust issues - that their cards are FDIC insured. They're the first to have said that or anything like that so far. I do appreciate you coming here and offering up responses as I'm sure others are. The fact of the matter is that you guys really should be doing EVERYTHING you can to get members in the door, which I think should include some "loss leader" tactics since you're going up against established players. I mean sooner or later, a smart company in your field will take a look at PayPal's beginning and do the same, and you all will be left wondering how you missed the bevy of post-Epassporte opportunity that was there before that company takes all your biz. There's not room for a lot of competition in this area as people only want to use 1 or maybe at most 2 of you, and as I and others have mentioned, many of us are simply waiting to see which 1 or 2 will really step up and take the bull by the horns and prove themselves viable and worthy of our business. |
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I am sitting back and waiting just like a majority of the other affiliates/webmasters here, to see what happens next, because my income actually matters to me just like others' incomes matter to them, and I am not going to take a hit like this again because another company wants to do a fucking belly flop on a bed of nails. That's not my way of business. If I am not mistaken, I am one of the first people to mention that in order to win our business, mine personally, these ridiculous fees need waived or cut in half for a few months or something... not all of us swim in $xx,xxx accounts. That's what people fail to realize. I do understand that there are a ridiculous amount of fees that the card companies have, too, but it is definitely going to take a whole lot of skill and intelligence, along with other things that can't be faked such as a business' reputation among many other factors, in order to win our business as members and clients to your payment/funds services. I am very interested to see what happens in the coming month, especially over today and tomorrow and the following week, once St. Kitts makes their official announcement about our cards and money that they promised to us by Sep 30. On that note, I am bookmarking this thread as I do not visit here much, and I would like to see where this thread goes. |
Also, I want to address the comments from the paxum user here, specifically the remark about not shaking hands with the owners of Paypal, etc.
There've been a lot of remarks about the business history and dealings that Paxum has, and some of them are indeed fishy to say the least. When you make your remark about people not going and shaking hands with Paypal owners, you're not taking into consideration that Paypal is basically one of the largest, if not the largest, mainstream online funds system. They're backed by the fact that eBay owns them, too. eBay is only the largest online auction site in the world... reputation points are a plus, there. Paypal has several years in the business, and if I may say so myself, almost as widely known as the word 'google'. So yeah, people will go and make an account there without meeting with their owner due to Paypal's ties with MASSIVE websites/companies. I say this with the most respect I can muster: Who is Paxum? |
Great thread!
We are waiting aswell but at the same time the next pay period approaches and a decision as to which new payment system to pick has to be made. |
it would help if some of them actually answered emails as well hahaha
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my feeling is that I hope the business splinters so I can have my money in 3 or more places. so when one goes down I'm only out 1/3.
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It's not actually they need us...... It's the other way round.
WE need THEM. And I know I would not be jumping to signup and use them if they were offering me something extra to do so. Think about it properly. Why would they need to do that? The good ones have been operating fine without our business. I have chosen to use CashX. Why? They answer e-mails / support, have been in business for some time, have insured banks, good load options, have P2P, are not jumping down our throats trying to get our business. These are the things that people should be looking at. Not what little extra bullshit things they will do for us to "con" us into using their service. Well my :2 cents: worth is said. :pimp |
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How about some facts. Since you want to get our biz lets hear who you are and what have you been doing in the past 12 years. |
If i lived in the states i wouldn't risk using these services. But because i'm in Europe and the checks are real in the the ass i must use some of these service to receive my payments faster.
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They will say whatever they need to say to get your business. And because so many of you NEED them so much, you'll throw caution to the wind and use them.
The crazy part is, you will do so without even knowing the true reason of ePass's fall. Maybe ePass was just first on a list of companies who are being shut off from the banks. Maybe not. But you don't know and are willing to lose even more money in the process. You guys either have more money than you know what to do with, or have zero business sense at all. Only you know which one of those you are. No disrespect to the companies who are stepping in to fill the void, just calling it as I see it. |
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So far we have: Payoneer OKPay AlertPay PayPal Paxum CashX I know I'm missing somebody. Whatever happened to RevUpCard? LOL. |
Paxum is not going to make it. Payoneer for the win!
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Oh and btw, by far the largest payment processor online did this sort of thing to get people in the door, and the rest is history. Now almost no one on the planet DOESN'T know who PayPal is because they got the ball rolling by giving people a financial reason to use them. Nowadays, tons of people hate PayPal, talk shit about them and their fees all day long, BUT can't help but use them since most of the planet uses them for mainstream. That's more or less how Epass was, and now they aren't and one of these 6+ new places could take the bull by the horns and get that coveted spot, but none of them are doing that. Instead, these places don't seem to know any other means of marketing besides spam...that's all I've seen from all of them, unless you call answering people's questions marketing instead of simple customer service/salesmanship. |
they should give all users a complementary po box.
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doesnt matter what they do to get YOUR business. Sponsors have to agree to use them.
sadly the days of just randomly opening alternative payout systems and waiting to get fucked are over. many sponsors are not just jumping on this band wagon. |
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I want Paxum, I want CashX and I want Payoneer even if I will never use payoneer. The rest are more or less useless because of gambling ties, lack of features, crazy fees, etc. |
Just a thought here. What's the name of the man (or woman) who owns each of these services? It'd probably be a good idea to know and run some due diligence checks on them prior to relying on their respective services. :2 cents:
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