K2, Spice, JWH-018.. anyone heard anything really bad about this stuff?
 

So I know a lot of people who are on probation are smoking this stuff now as a weed substitute. I've always had a bad feeling about the stuff, for obvious reasons. But lately there's been a lot of talk of people dying and/or having seizures and shit after smoking it. I'm not sure why people would would want to spread these probable rumors about something they take part in, but I tried looking up any cases of this but can't really find any concrete evidence of it happening and I'm wondering if these are just rumors and paranoia being spread around.. has anyone heard anything similar or read something about health effects from this stuff?

No official studies have been conducted on its effects on humans.[21] Though its effects are not well documented, extremely large doses may cause negative effects that are generally not noted in marijuana users, such as increased agitation and vomiting.[22] Professor John W. Huffman who first synthesised many of the cannabinoids used in synthetic cannabis is quoted as saying, "People who use it are idiots"[21] and that "It's like playing Russian roulette. You don't know what it's going to do to you."[23] A three gram package of Spice is said by one study, to have the same health effects on the lungs as a packet of cigarettes, although no conclusive evidence of this exists outside of the study.[4] A user who consumed 3 g of Spice Gold every day for several months showed withdrawal symptoms, similar to those associated with withdrawing from the use of narcotics. Doctors treating the user also noted that his use of the product showed signs associated with addiction.[24] One case has been reported where a user, who had previously suffered from cannabis induced recurrent psychotic episodes, suffered reactivation of their symptoms after using Spice. Psychiatrists treating him have suggested that the lack of an antipsychotic chemical, similar to cannabidiol found in natural cannabis, may make synthetic cannabis more likely to induce psychosis than natural cannabis.[25]

Non-user but just from observation i've seen really bad paranoia. No idea if it is because of being cheaper and so people just get through more of it though.

I bought some in a pinch and got so high I just wanted it to end.

In all my years of fucking around with drugs, THAT has NEVER happened.

I had some friends try it and they all felt the same way. It was just too much...too intense. I didn't even feel like smoking my real buds for a day or two after...again something THAT has NEVER happened.

This was K2 brand.

And it's not cheaper then the real thing. It's like $25 per gram. Even the killer kind bud doesn't cost that much around here.

No medical side effects that I have had personally. Like the above poster said, it is very potent. I also had the K2, I smoke somewhat regularily now, generally on the weekends. It doesn't take but a small bowl to get you going pretty well. No reports of seizures, etc. around here. Most of my friends have also tried and generally state the high is very intense. I personally like it quite a bit. The high doesn't kick in for about 10 minutes after smoking and the most intense effects only seem to last about an hour, then being completely sober within about 90 minutes from lighting up.

Here in Missouri they have already made it against the law to sell, have, smoke or anything else. Might as well do the real stuff it carries the same amount of time in jail. I really don't have to worry, I take enough legal drugs to knock a horse on its ass at times.

It's fucking incense, don't smoke that! :1orglaugh

where would be a good place to get some? I wanna try it

any headshop or online

ive been smokin demon and texas stampede for over a month. Same high as weed but you can pass a drug test(i get random hair follicles). Kicks in after a minute and the high is great.

yeah I don't know the city I live in now too well since it's been like 15 years since I've spent anytime near it. But, I'm happy to report I googled me up a headshop and am now currently high as fuck on two small hits. heh

Any of the 50 or so shops that seem to be here in my town now. I keep spotting little headshops every time I go out.

It's anywhere from $20 - 30 a gram and there are all different kinds. One of the guys I shared it with liked it and has bought some shit online to make his own. It costs him around $5 a gram.

It's billed as incense, but the main chemical used to make it is actually fertilizer for bonsai trees. I did some more reading after trying the shit, and I'm going to avoid it from this point on. The natural green stuff is the only way to go.

Report back in a few hours and the again tomorrow. Tell us what you think then. :winkwink:

I'm going to dig through my new quarter of Orange Kush.

http://www.squidoo.com/jwh-018

why spend when you can make it yourself for a few bucks

I'm in at about the hour and a half mark and it's starting to wear down. Its got me feeling a little jittery and my hands are a little clammy. So far it's been a somewhat enjoyable experience. I definitely can see this is not something you would want to do very much of or for very long. It's for sure got a little bit of a bad vibe to it.

if you get it and smoke a gram right away you will trip the fuck out.

ive known people who have called 911 thinking they are dying

this is meant to be a one hit type of product

i use it but i dont use k2 at all. that shit is made in random places all over the world. I dont trust it
i buy mine from a guy who makes it him self and can tell me 100% of everything in it and how much jwh-018 he puts in

www.wangspice.com < - i use them

It's not really fertilizer, that's their cover story for selling fake weed online lol..

I woke up this morning feeling a little groggy. Pretty much exactly as if I had smoked a shitload of weed yesterday. Not really a big deal.