capitol punishment question to you guys
 

what's your thinking about the death penalty? if someone kills a person in a hideous way, for no reason other than they enjoyed it, without remores... why should that person be kept alive?

#1 large numbers on death row have been proven innocent

#2 It cost more to kill someone in the US

#3 Making someone live to regret their action is far more punishment than a quick lights out. They should work the rest of their lives to pay the family for what they have done.

#4 The death penalty does not lower murder rates (I know it doesn't allow the same guy to kill again).

I say kill them all. A bullet costs what? A buck? Blast em all. Sure some innocent ones will die... collateral damage. Fuck em, thin the heard.

That is all fine and good until you accidentally end up as one of the collateral damage.

if there is no question, .22 in the back of the head, I'll buy the bullet
there is no reason why someone like Charley Mansion is still alive

so the only real reason is due to wrongful conviction then?

when I was reading dead man walking blog I noticed that a great majority of the executed prisoners had previously served time for manslaughter. so the death penalty would in fact prevent murder wouldn't it?

charlie didn't 'actually' kill anyone

That is providing you want to ignore #2. Statically past studies have shown that when states disallow the death penalty murder rates have actually decreased...maybe because once a person has killed they know that they will be executed so will kill again in an effort to prevent being caught.

so a guy that rapes and kills children will be deterred due to life in prison and not death, is what your saying?

I read a statistic that stated 60% of crime and 82% of violent crime is committed by 12% of the population... think that is true?

Not always the case though. The truly sick fucks have no remorse, no regrets. John Wayne Gacy for example. Death sentence, spent the years until put to death selling paintings he did in prison.

No...not at all. What I said was that past studies show that murder rates have actually decreased when states disallowed the death penalty. The death penalty apparently does not deter someone from committing murder.

maybe however if people accused of manslaughter were executed and not released to kill again.... I think the biggest cause of dropped murder rates is abortion

A eye for an eye.death by firing squad,save the taxpayers money

Actually the biggest case for the drop in the murder rate is the advances in medical science. People who would have died of their wounds 20 years ago can now be saved.

Manslaughter is not a capital crime...and should not be.

No, he won't be deterred due to possibly getting life in prison. But people who are going to commit those types are crimes are not deterred by the death penalty either.

Here is some great information.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murd...ally-and-state

If you look at the chart you see that every one of the top 20 states with highest murder rate also have the death penalty. 24 out of the top 25 highest all have the death penalty.

If the death penalty were really a deterrent than you would think those states with the death penalty would have the lowest murder rates, but exactly the opposite is the case.

Is this another collage type question or ged dropout?

so the states with the death penalty do NOT have the death penalty because they have high murder rates is what you're saying?

and that answers the question how?

You are so right on every point.


Lock them up for life and save the tax payers a bundle. Super long story short, it cost way, way, way, too much to put someone to death in this country.

Im all for an "eye for an eye" and equal justice. But if you actually calculated what it costs the state to kill someone versus to house them for life, you would be shocked. Yea, i know "bullets are cheap," but it will cost the state a shit load to fire that cheap bullet. Death sentences do not make fiscal sense for any state.

Did this debate competitively in college and in moot court in law school. I know every detail of both sides of this debate.:2 cents:

why keep them alive?

No, I am saying that the states with the death penalty also have the highest murder rates in the country.

I don't know that the existence of one causes the other, but clearly the death penalty is not deterring anyone in those states.

is the cost a matter of possible innocence or hesitance to kill? our government obviously has no real hesitancy to kill as proved by the various military actions around the world.

so you do not think the death penalty is a reaction to the high murder rate then?

This is just a guess, but I think some of these states have areas of high crime period. The existence of the death penalty really plays no role in it. However, I do find myself wondering this: If a person is considering doing a crime that could result in the death penalty do they not hold back and go all out knowing they are going to be killed anyway whereas the idea of having to spend the rest of their life in jail may deter them a little bit and cause them to reconsider?

Personally I would rather get the death penalty than spend 30 years in prison. I wonder if those doing the crimes have the same feelings.

so if he gets out, you want to live next to him?

Yep I agree.

he is an old man lol

its not right for the state to kill someone

if even one person is found innocent later.. that is too many..

did you know it costs more to execute someone in the USA than to have them in gaol for their whole life? (legal appeals and so on)

Countries that still have the death penalty look barbaric to the rest of the world. This is true. Im looking at you USA, CHINA, IRAN and so on.

I have no personal issues with killing people that kill. I have issues the process that the state goes through to accomplish that goal. Costs way too much to kill people in the US.


Give the prisoners that have life sentences a choice. Do you want to be locked up for life or executed quickly? And for the people that admit to the crime of murder, kill them the next day. But as things stand now, im all for life in prison. Its way cheaper.



I think giving everyone "life" saves the innocent from being murdered by the state and it saves the tax payers a lot more money, not going through the lengthy and costly court costs of putting someone to death.:2 cents:

See the problem is that if you are poor, you really dont get the best defense possible. That's why you get the guy in jail for rape 19 yrs only to find out he is innocent. A public defender with too big of a work load has the defendant plea out and take a guilty plea just so he can be moved thru the system.
Its a shame but justice is not equal in this country.

Civilized countries do not have death penalty.

Uncivilised countries don't have courts.

I'm against the death penalty.

Looking at it logically, no matter how the person died, the main fact is they are DEAD. Thus executing someone is placing them in the same condition "dead".

So how can it be justified? In my honest opinion, I think that societies will only ever REALLY progress if we protect the value of life. This is why I am against the death penalty and issues like abortion etc.

he is never getting out

that's just basic reality

a mad dog running lose in a town killing people would be out to death.

you're in good company...

http://matangmanok.files.wordpress.c...pg?w=423&h=388

yes based on innocent until proved guilty, that goes right out the window in reality

that's an interesting concept

just not sure about all the issues dealing with someone like that... richard speck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Speck

then there's charles starkweather
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Starkweather

not really sure what you're trying to say... looks like a from of sarcasm. someone intentionally kills my daughter because they enjoy the process I'm all for immediate death. I would even do it myself right on the spot. no joke... I would even do that for you mom, if someone killed your kid.

so what.... you are so civilized that'll go suck his dick and apologize?

why always insult on a personal level - i don't get it.

i'm just saying that almost all civilzed countries have outlawed death penalty.

and yes, i'm against it - simply because i think the society should not lower itself to the same level.

if you want to kill someone as revenge do it, but then face the consequences. :2 cents:

no insult... someone rapped and murdered one of your children and I killed them on the spot and you wouldn't thank me for it? that's weird and goes against the basic tenets of humanity to me.

I see your point and agree, but dont think its the same level. The death of an innocent and a guilty person is not the same IMO.

I agree, it's a real mess for sure

So what about "capitol" ?

I used to believe in the death penalty. Simple - you kill someone, we kill you back. But that's really letting them off easy isn't it?

Put them in prison for the rest of their life. Reduce them to animals. Let them spend all of their time living in fear of getting ass raped. Feed them bread and water. No TV, no sports, no sunlight. Just a cold damp cell for the next eighty years.

Nobody has the right to kill. Nobody should die in cold blood at the hands of another, not even a murdered. What makes you better than a murderer if you murder him out of revenge?

So, if a guy goes out and rapes your wife and then dismembers her in front of your kids before he then moves onto them and brutally murders them, you wouldn't want him dead ??

Ooooh yeah, that's right, he'd be determined to be "insane", those kinds of people can do whatever they want, they're INSANE and should just live out his years in a mental home.

My philosophy is that if someone openly makes a decision to kill another person on their own free will, taking away that person's right to live, then yes, they give up their own right to live.

Didn't answer the question

Then why keep him alive?

It probably cost about $60k a year to keep murderers alive in prison, more with appeals. The cost of the prison systems is completely out of control, I'm telling you, .22 back of the head, walmart has a special this month on boxes of 500

Do you support the killing of innocent people?

If you support the death penalty then you consequently support killing innocent people.

Sorry there is no way around that.

You can talk about some dude raping and killing your grandmothers cat till you're blue in the face but the fact is the only way to avoid killing innocent people is to not kill anyone. Just one of those unfair facts of life.