BP's Solution To Oil Cleanup Disposal

What are the odds? There's still 5 months left for someone else to have a nuclear disaster at a power station.

great job they're doing down there

Pfft. A war with Iran could make everyone forget all about BP.

too true, that would make the oil spill look like a minor inconvenience for sure

Great job, Brownie!

Err... wrong pres?

The BP saga illustrates all too well that the elites / big business rule the U.S.

News reporters are being kept in the dark / prevented from getting pictures; major media outlets are mostly just regurgitating press releases being put out by BP and the U.S. government.

Point is that the actual damage / bad things happening, such as the dumping, is likely 100X worse than being reported.

Ron

They are just worried that not enough oil is getting into the Mississippi river so they have to give it a little assistance.

the whole situation is outrageous

I'm sure it is. For every one thing we catch them doing, it's no doubt happening on a massive unseen scale.

Well, I suppose that all of you no longer heat your homes with natural gas, you do not buy electricity from commercial producers and make your own with bicycle-powered generators and that none of you dirve fossil fueled cars and trucks.

Even the computers on which you view and particpate with in this forum are in reality petroleum based, so I presume that you will also shut off those in protest.

There!

Don't we all now feel so much better-and-good-and-green?

Yes, mistakes were made and mistakes will continue to be made because mistakes, like shit, happen and will continue to happen as long as we are dependant on oil but the fact is that we are and we can't change that in any reasonable length of time but we can get better at it and minimize the mistakes.

The President can't do anyting about it; like what kind of petroleum engineer is he? He can't even balance a budget, so how do you think that he's going to fix a runaway oil well?

BP did NOT want this to happen and to a certain extent was blindsided by it, although more care could and should have been taken in such deep water drilling.

We need to let them do thier job as they are the only people in the world outside of Kevin Costner, whose cleanup method would take roughly one billion years, who can get the job done.

The population at large being dependent on oil products has absolutely nothing to do with BP's incompetence, criminal negligence, general disdain for their own responsibilities, or the dumping of toxic waste in Mississippi's landfills. Not one thing.

You don't know that BP is incomptetent, there is no proof of any criminal negligence, BP has been at trying to stop this thing from the beginning and BP could not dump the waste into the landfill were it not legal for them to do so. In fact, the landfill is probably the best place for the stuff as it is contained and relatively safely stored. BP hasshown "disdain for its won responsibilites" just how? BP has ben hard after it from day one although admittedly having experienced a couple of false starts inattempting to halt this blowout.

Oh. By the way, it is a BLOWOUT, NOT an "OIL SPILL"! A tannker leaking into the ocean is experiencing an oil spill. This event is an oil well blowout and there has never been one like this before, so everyone is well into uncharted territory.

What do you want to do? Shut down BP? Put all the employees of BP, all the people employed at BP gas staions, all the people who are peripheral to BP out of work?

You WILL go buy an old-fashioned push-type reel lawnmower and burn your Yardman in protest, won't you?

There will be plenty of time for investigations, recriminations, wild-eyed rants; determination of of a whole lot of things AFTER the blowout is capped and brought under control.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...ed_bp_memo.php

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/201006...s/ynews_ts2917

OK, now that you have your pretty little bogus Photoshopped up chart and links to one of the looniest publications on the entire planet, just what exactly do you propose for BP?

(This otta be good!)

There is a mountain of evidence and proof that BP is and will be found to be criminally negligent. More of it comes in every day. Why deny what is right in front of you? As for dumping that shit in a landfill, well Waste Management is taking that upon themselves at this stage, but we'll see how long that sticks. The town doesn't want that shit there and they've told them so.

Shut down BP? Now there's the best idea I've heard in months. Yes, shut them down.

SallyRand is the only person in this thread with any sense of reality... everyone seems to think BP is some evil corporation, shit is run exactly the same way at other oil producers, it's just tough luck on BP that they drew the short straw this year...

shit happened, obviously it needs to fixed, lessons need to be learned from it, perhaps tighter safety regulations need to be enacted, etc... "shut them down" will not accomplish anything...

Well, now that THAT'S out in the open, let's consider the history of BP and take all this back to the ultimate responsibility, which of course in this case would be the British Government and the Crown.

(Discourse delivered in that old sterotypical upper-crust OH, so "British" accent:

"Of course you do know Old Boy, that BRITISH (pause) Petroleum isn't called that for nothing! BRITISH Petroleum was created in the early 'twenties at the behest of the Crown, which request was forwarded to the PM, who then authorised MI5 to "negotiate" with the government of Iran to, well, screw them out of their oil! We even had to engage the services of that very distasteful fellow, Sidney Reilly to intervene in the discussions whilst he was disguised as a priest. We don't like to speak of THAT, you know but BRITISH PETROLEUM did a bang-up job of holding up the Monarchy for a number of years and still feeds the BRITISH economy quite well!

Of course, BP is still nominally headquartered in London and still feeding the Monarachy but not quite as openly as before but still screwing Iran wonderfully. Still around 40% of BP shares are held by UK shareholders, and 39% in the USA. BP's UK dividends represent approximately one-seventh of all dividend payments in the UK and form the basis of many pension schemes."

Sally Rand suggests that the British government is ultimately responsible and should be taken to task.

The bird stained in oil did not have to happen.

I know, what a stretch

I didn't realize in reality that makes it A'OK

Gosh, where can I send a donation to help out BP's tough luck ?

perhaps - after all, there are other places to fish

excuse us all for not understanding, in reality nobody is held accountable and we can do it again next year !

lets blame that guy in the suit, that... hmm... ceo guy, it's all his fault! Lets fry him and all his greedy capitalistic buddies! "Shut them down", or better yet, lets line them all up and drown them in the pool of oil that THEY created, yeah! that will solve all the problems!

Obviously I'm not saying that no one should be held accountable, the accident obviously needs to be investigated and steps need to be taken to ensure it doesn't happen again... I'm just saying that projecting hate towards BP is not the answer here... multiple parties probably dropped the ball, everyone from oil industry in general, to government regulators, to consumers exerting pressure on oil producers to drill for cheap oil, etc

Dude, are you actually blaming consumers for this?

Yes, consumers are partially indirectly to blame for this... we all demand high quantities of cheap oil...we complain loudly when price of oil rises and this creates political pressure to minimize drilling restrictions and to allow drilling in areas such as the gulf...

it seems pretty clear to me that without high demand for oil that WE created there would be no need to drill miles below the sea level in the gulf...

So we shut down BP.

What do we tell the people whose retirement funds are dependent on BP stock?

Gonna put them all on the dole?

Is the British Government going to take care of them?

At least ACT as though you have some real-world sense!

This oil well blowout needs to be fixed and measures need be taken to prevent such an event in future.

Like it or not, we need the oil and all of us are perfectly willing to use it until............

..something happens and then we divest ourselves of our own responsibilities in the matter and just HAVE to BLAME SOMEONE, as long as it is not ourselves.

And EVERYONE hates corporations, especially internet marketers, until they NEED one to protect their incomes!

LOL!

Can you spell, "H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y"?

That is absurd. BP rakes in billions of dollars every quarter in profit... not gross, profit. They spent exactly $0.00 on plans for exactly what is going on right now. It's not like they were some poor, overworked, understaffed company perpetually on the brink because we consumers demand so much from them. They didn't spend a single cent of that profit money towards cleanup plans or prevention plans, and they are worth more than many nations. They couldn't even be bothered to put a living person down as the emergency contact on their government permit. And you think consumers share blame for this?

If you wanna take that on as a part of your burden in life, be my guest. But I am not responsible in any way, shape, or form for BP destroying the planet. BP is.

You no longer drive a car or truck, right?

You buy no products made from plastic, right?

You heat your home with wood that you chop up with an axe, right?

You mow your lawn with the aforementioned push-type reel mower, right?

You take no drugs which have the petroleum industry in their foundation, right?

You ride a bicycle but don't ride on the roads or sidewalks because those are the product of the petroleum industry, right?

In fact, your home is built entirely of hand-harvested wood and other "natural" products which you harvested yourself because all building materials are related to the petroleum industry, right?

Your clothing is all made from cotton, grown in organic fields, harvested by hand and done up on a manually-powered mill, right?

You ride your bicycle to the Post Office, staying off the petroleum-based roads and sidewalks to get your mail (Or do you reject your mail because it GOT to your local Post Office in petroleum-powered transport vehicles?), right?

You do not eat food which has been grown by farmers who used petroleum operated farm equipment or which was delivered to the grocery store in petroleum operated delivery vehicles, right?

An of course, you ALWAYS ride your bicycle to that mythical grocery store, right?

right

that's what i thot

i hope the bird still alive after now

"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn?t so."

Ronald Reagan; "A Time for Choosing", Address on behalf of Senator Barry Goldwater,
Rendezvous with Destiny, October 27, 1964.

Remember that it was Barry Goldwater who said in response to the whole "Gays In The Military" thing, :

"Ban on Gays is Senseless Attempt to Stall the Inevitable.

By Barry M. Goldwater.

The following is a transcript of Barry Goldwater's commentary on the military gay ban that appeared this week in the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times.

"After more than 50 years in the military and politics, I am still amazed to see how upset people can get over nothing. Lifting the ban on gays in the military isn't exactly nothing, but it's pretty damned close

Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar. They'll still be serving long after we're all dead and buried. That should not surprise anyone.

But most Americans should be shocked to know that while the country's economy is going down the tubes, the military has wasted half a billion dollars over the past decade chasing down gays and running them out of the armed services.

It's no great secret that military studies have proved again and again that there's no valid reason for keeping the ban on gays. Some thought gays were crazy, but then found that wasn't true. then they decided that gays were a security risk, but again the Department of Defense decided that wasn't so-in fact, one study by the Navy in 1956 that was never made public found gays to be good security risks. Even Larry Korb, President Reagan's man in charge of implementing the Pentagon ban on gays, now admits that it was a dumb idea. No wonder my friend Dick Cheney, secretary of defense under President Bush, called it "a bit of an old chestnut"

When the facts lead to one conlusion, I say it's time to act, not to hide. The country and the military know that eventually the ban will be lifted. The only remaining questions are how much muck we will all be dragged through, and how many brave Americans like Tom Paniccia and Margarethe Cammermeyer will have their lives and careers destroyed in a senseless attempt to stall the inevitable.

Some in congress think I'm wrong. They say we absolutely must continue to discriminate, or all hell will break loose. Who knows, they say, perhaps our soldiers may even take up arms against each other.

Well, that's just stupid.

Years ago, I was a lieutenant in charge of an all-black unit. Military leaders at the time believed that blacks lacked leadership potential - period. That seems ridiculous now, as it should. Now, each and every man and woman who serves this nation takes orders from a black man - our own Gen. Colin Powell.

Nobody thought that blacks or women could ever be integrated into the military. Many thought that an all-volunteer force could never protect our national interest. Well, it has, and despite those who feared the worst - I among them - we are still the best and will continue to be.

The point is that decisions are always a lot easier to make in hindsight. but we seldom have that luxury. That's why the future of our country depends on leadership, and that's what we need now.

I served in the armed forces. I have flown more than 150 of the best fighter planes and bombers this country manufactured. I founded the Arizona National Guard. I chaired the Senate Armed Services Committee. And I think it's high time to pull the curtains on this charade of policy.

What should undermine our readiness would be a compromise policy like "Don't ask, don't tell." That compromise doesn't deal with the issue - it tries to hide it.

We have wasted enough precious time, money and talent trying to persecute and pretend. It's time to stop burying our heads in the sand and denying reality for the sake of politics. It's time to deal with this straight on and be done with it. It's time to get on with more important business.

The conservative movement, to which I subscribe, has as one of its basic tenets the belief that government should stay out of people's private lives. Government governs best when it governs least - and stays out of the impossible task of legislating morality. But legislating someone's version of morality is exactly what we do by perpetuating discrimination against gays.

When you get down to it, no American able to serve should be allowed, much less given an excuse, not to serve his or her country. We need all our talent.

If I were in the Senate today, I would rise on the Senate floor in support of our commander in chief. He may be a Democrat, but he happens to be right on this question.

(Arizona Republican Barry M. Goldwater retired from the Senate in 1987)"

Sally Rand sez:

"A TRUE Conservative!"

To paraphrase Pleasurepays: "You should be seen, not heard."

"Your post count means nothing."

As far as I can read, this thread is an active discussion, in which I am actively participating, trying to bring reason to an unreasonable world. So many people "feel" but do not THINK!

Both your response and your sig are Red Herrings; the last ditch effort of one who "feels', rather than THINKS! I couldn't give a rat's ass about my post count; post counts are not what this is about.

And if you think I'd let you "see" me, you'd better think again, child.

I highly doubt that they spent $0 on safety measures, you either made that fact up, or are just repeating some "spin" you heard on TV or some blog. Media likes to potray BP as bunch of incompetent fools, all doing nothing except counting all the "Billions" that they make, but it's far from the truth.

In hindsight we all have the right the answers, but if 12 months ago someone would challenge you with a question: "Given the friction in the middle east, do you think drilling our own oil in the Gulf is a good idea?" I'm sure your opinion on this issue would be quite different than it is now...

I just think your posts are off the mark. Very vehement and off the mark, rather.

- BP has a shitty history of safety.
- BP's been trying to "collect" oil, as far as I can tell, not "stop" it. Makes sense from a business perspective considering the amount that's spewing out still.
- The media blackout around the area is a pretty sketchy move.
- Who gives a fuck what a "conservative" is? If history has shown lately, politicians equally suck regardless of party affiliation.
- BP

"As far as I can tell.."...says it all!

"A shitty history of safety"?

Stats and citations please!

With a blanket statement like that one, you need to show that BP has more safety failures than it does successes and you can't do that.

BP has thousands of operations world-wide and for the most part they run just fine. Admittedly BP has had some safety issues which have resulted in some doozies of failures but in and of themselves, those failures do not necessarily indicate an overall record of poor safety measures.

You would rather BP just let the blowout run while they figure out how to cap the well? What about the fish? "What about the children?"(Snicker!) Collecting the escaping oil costs far more than it is worth, so that one's out the window.

"Media blackout"? Sure; why not? The media no longer reports the news, it distorts, editorailizes on the news and to a large extent, creates the news and then presents that news as fact when it is indeed tripe. The "media" would much rather do a hack job than accurately report the news; sells more papers, you know!

As far as politicans for the most part sucking big green wienies, I do tend to agree but I'd much rather have a level-headed conservative or libertarian representing me than a wild-eyed, overly emotional "liberal" who runs on "feelings" (Touchy-feely ones, especially!) rather than rational thought!

oh

and this is technically NOT a spill

it's a blowout

The effects are similar but let's try to accurately describe the event, mkay?

I didn't make it up. The documents have already been shown to the public. BP doesn't dispute it. The total came to $0.

meanwhile, BP stock is on the rise...

They've been drilling since the 40's in the gulf, the blame lays on the shoulders of the government thats suppose to over see the safety of our oceans. There was a regulatory commision in place, but it didn't make the oil companies use the best technology. In steps Obama, his answer, shut the whole thing down, not a good idea, the oil rigs move and we buy more oil from other countries.

He pushed green agenda, wants to spend billions on that for jobs.
Might work, but I doubt it, the only time you can go after something like that is when the economy is good, people would be more accepting.

I think BP was doing just what the other companies are still doing, I think more of BP's wells are probably shacky at best. The end result is will the oil blow out cost so much that it bankrupts the company? that would suck, they wouldn't be able to pay off everyone

I love how people keep acting like this is something we haven't seen before. This time it's 4,800ft deeper and the same incompetence exists.