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  • mikesinner
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    What's The Deal With People That Whine About Murderers Being Put To Death

    These people that have their family members murdered are always on TV crying about how they don't want the criminal to be put to death.

    Even in cases where the guy has killed 2-3 different people. Usually they start talking about gods love and all this bullshit but it's fine for their children to go to war and kill people with guns in another country?

    What makes me laugh the most is when they say murder doesn't stop murder as if executions of criminals are the same thing as murder.
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        • Rochard
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          Because killing them is the easy way out.

          I used to believe in the death penalty too. Until I sat down one day and did the math. I'd rather have someone convicted of murder get ass fucked and then forced to toss the salad three times a day for the next forty years instead of ending their life 14 fourteen years or whatever.

          Make their life horrible, drag it out, and feed them bread and water until they die.
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            • mikesinner
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              Originally posted by Rochard
              Because killing them is the easy way out.

              I used to believe in the death penalty too. Until I sat down one day and did the math. I'd rather have someone convicted of murder get ass fucked and then forced to toss the salad three times a day for the next forty years instead of ending their life 14 fourteen years or whatever.

              Make their life horrible, drag it out, and feed them bread and water until they die.
              depends on the prison though. Also in some cases it's a burden on the tax payer. I don't think they put murderers to work like they do other criminals. I could be wrong though.

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                • Spunky
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                  An eye for a eye.hang the bastards

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                    • GatorB
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                      Originally posted by mikesinner
                      depends on the prison though. Also in some cases it's a burden on the tax payer. I don't think they put murderers to work like they do other criminals. I could be wrong though.
                      Actually it's been proven that death row is MORE expensive that giving the same prisoner life.

                      Also anyone that can HONESTLY say if they only had 2 chocies A) spending the rest of thier life( which could mean 30, 40 or 50 years ) in prison with no chance or parole or B) the death penalty, that they would choose A is completely insane. Or they like being gang raped in the ass.

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                        • Amputate Your Head
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                          They should give the option I think. Life in prison, or death. Not this, drag it out for 20 years bullshit... if you choose death, you get death, that week. If you choose life in prison, you get life in prison, no rewards, no early release, no changing your mind.
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                            • mikesinner
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                              Originally posted by GatorB

                              Also anyone that can HONESTLY say if they only had 2 chocies A) spending the rest of thier life( which could mean 30, 40 or 50 years ) in prison with no chance or parole or B) the death penalty, that they would choose A is completely insane. Or they like being gang raped in the ass.
                              Yet in many cases they fight the chair until the end. I think part of being human is to want to live and thrive but even under the harshest conditions there is still a strong desire to live.

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                                • buzzard
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                                    • CDSmith
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                                      Actually I've noticed that when it's someone's family member or loved one that gets murdered their view changes completely, and they then want the death penalty. Before that they're against it.

                                      Funny how that works.
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                                        • mikesinner
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                                          Originally posted by CDSmith
                                          Actually I've noticed that when it's someone's family member or loved one that gets murdered their view changes completely, and they then want the death penalty. Before that they're against it.

                                          Funny how that works.
                                          There was an old lady on Larry king that didn't want her husbands murderer put to death.

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                                            • DateDoc
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                                              Is that guy in Utah still getting the firing squad tonight?

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                                                • Amputate Your Head
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by DateDoc
                                                  Is that guy in Utah still getting the firing squad tonight?
                                                  Yep. The court denied all of his whining. He will be executed tomorrow. (Friday)

                                                  Governor, Supreme Court reject stay requests; inmate awaits execution - Jun 2010

                                                  (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court rejected a request Thursday to temporarily stay the execution of death row inmate Ronnie Lee Gardner, who is set to die before a Utah firing squad early Friday.

                                                  The Supreme Court's rejection ended the last legal maneuver for Gardner, 49, who is scheduled to face execution shortly after midnight Friday (2 a.m. ET) for the shooting death of attorney Michael Burdell during a botched escape attempt from custody in 1985 at a Salt Lake City, Utah, courthouse. He would be only the third person to die by firing squad in the United States in 33 years.

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                                                    • mikesinner
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                                                      Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                                                      Yep. The court denied all of his whining. He will be executed tomorrow. (Friday)

                                                      Governor, Supreme Court reject stay requests; inmate awaits execution - Jun 2010

                                                      (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court rejected a request Thursday to temporarily stay the execution of death row inmate Ronnie Lee Gardner, who is set to die before a Utah firing squad early Friday.

                                                      The Supreme Court's rejection ended the last legal maneuver for Gardner, 49, who is scheduled to face execution shortly after midnight Friday (2 a.m. ET) for the shooting death of attorney Michael Burdell during a botched escape attempt from custody in 1985 at a Salt Lake City, Utah, courthouse. He would be only the third person to die by firing squad in the United States in 33 years.

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                                                      I think he thought he might get out of it by asking for the firing squad instead of one of the other choices. I bet he is pissing his pants right now. I feel sorry for the guy but I feel 10x more sorry for his victims.

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                                                        • CDSmith
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                                                          Originally posted by mikesinner
                                                          There was an old lady on Larry king that didn't want her husbands murderer put to death.
                                                          That's one.

                                                          There have been people in the past that opposed the death penalty, then after some psycho murdered their kids they magically changed their stance. Like I said, funny how that happens.

                                                          Personally if it were actually life without any possibility of parole it would change a lot of minds, but too many psycho murdrerers DO have the posibility of parole. Sorry, to me that's not good enough. I'd rather see their lives ended than have even a slim chance of getting out.

                                                          And I'm talking about those who are 100% guilty, not those who have an ounce of doubt. The Dahmers, the Pictons, the Paul Bernardo's, the John Wayne Gacey's, etc. Society is much better served having their types put to death, sorry to all you pro-lifers. I think your "cost" argument is weak.
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                                                            • baddog
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                                                              Originally posted by Rochard
                                                              Make their life horrible, drag it out, and feed them bread and water until they die.
                                                              You may not be aware, but they do not just feed them bread and water.

                                                              Originally posted by mikesinner
                                                              depends on the prison though. Also in some cases it's a burden on the tax payer. I don't think they put murderers to work like they do other criminals. I could be wrong though.
                                                              You're right.

                                                              Originally posted by GatorB
                                                              Actually it's been proven that death row is MORE expensive that giving the same prisoner life.
                                                              Only because of the mandatory appeals.

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                                                                  Originally posted by mikesinner
                                                                  depends on the prison though. Also in some cases it's a burden on the tax payer. I don't think they put murderers to work like they do other criminals. I could be wrong though.
                                                                  Executions cost way more to the tax payer than keeping them as prisoners.
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                                                                    • Paul Markham
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                                                                      Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                      Because killing them is the easy way out.

                                                                      I used to believe in the death penalty too. Until I sat down one day and did the math. I'd rather have someone convicted of murder get ass fucked and then forced to toss the salad three times a day for the next forty years instead of ending their life 14 fourteen years or whatever.

                                                                      Make their life horrible, drag it out, and feed them bread and water until they die.
                                                                      Good answer. Add to it the chances of the accused being innocent and evidence proving it years later, the quality of the public defenders and the cost of going through numerous appeals which seem to have no chance what ever the evidence is in some States like Texas.

                                                                      You can't bring an innocent executed man back to life. Or doesn't that matter?



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                                                                        • CruelMedia
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                                                                          I agree.. have people fear for their life if they commit murder.. this way the numbers should go down..

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                                                                              they shouldnt be on death row for years before being executed, do it right away.
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                                                                                • Zorgman
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                                                                                  How many years was he on death row?
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                                                                                      the only thing that bothers me is the number of innocent people put the death over the years.
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                                                                                          Originally posted by jostker
                                                                                          I agree.. have people fear for their life if they commit murder.. this way the numbers should go down..
                                                                                          Statistics prove you wrong.

                                                                                          Originally posted by fris
                                                                                          they shouldnt be on death row for years before being executed, do it right away.
                                                                                          Let's not even bother with a trial then.

                                                                                          What do you think about those who were wrongly convicted and poorly defended?



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                                                                                            • TheDoc
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                                                                                              I think we should make the executions public and broadcast it on national tv, on every single station, radio station, etc... If you show the executions, it slows violent crimes down. Knowing you have a punishment doesn't.... seeing what it does to you, does.

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                                                                                                • Jensen
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                                                                                                  More than two-thirds of the countries of the world have abolished the death penalty in law or in practice. USA lags behind the rest of the civilized world. The US is on the list for the highest number of executions in 2009 and shares the list with great countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Sudan and China. The only other industrial nation to carry out executions is Japan.

                                                                                                  At least New Mexico became the 15th state to end the death penalty (in March) so it's a step forward for the US.

                                                                                                  Nine men who had been sentenced to death were exonerated and freed in 2009. Isn't it time to join the rest of the civilized world?

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                                                                                                    • BestXXXPorn
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                                                                                                      Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                      Actually it's been proven that death row is MORE expensive that giving the same prisoner life.

                                                                                                      Also anyone that can HONESTLY say if they only had 2 chocies A) spending the rest of thier life( which could mean 30, 40 or 50 years ) in prison with no chance or parole or B) the death penalty, that they would choose A is completely insane. Or they like being gang raped in the ass.
                                                                                                      Proven, really? Do you have any real numbers to back this up? I'm interested

                                                                                                      I agree with the death penalty in most cases... however if we're talking about homicidal maniacs I think it's worth having psychiatrists and psychologists take a few years with them first to better understand the mind of a killer. The larger sample size we have the more data we have to understand the patterns of these types of killers and be able to track them down easier / identify patterns in new killers, etc...
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                                                                                                        • TheDoc
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                                                                                                          Originally posted by Jensen
                                                                                                          More than two-thirds of the countries of the world have abolished the death penalty in law or in practice. USA lags behind the rest of the civilized world. The US is on the list for the highest number of executions in 2009 and shares the list with great countries such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Sudan and China. The only other industrial nation to carry out executions is Japan.

                                                                                                          At least New Mexico became the 15th state to end the death penalty (in March) so it's a step forward for the US.

                                                                                                          Nine men who had been sentenced to death were exonerated and freed in 2009. Isn't it time to join the rest of the civilized world?
                                                                                                          It's time we up how extreme ours is. Maybe start cutting off hands and body parts, broad casted on TV... The crime rate will fall through the floor, much like several of the Countries you listed violent crime rates are much lower than any Country without it - because the penalties are much more extreme.
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                                                                                                            • Jensen
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                                                                                                              Originally posted by BestXXXPorn
                                                                                                              Proven, really? Do you have any real numbers to back this up? I'm interested

                                                                                                              I agree with the death penalty in most cases... however if we're talking about homicidal maniacs I think it's worth having psychiatrists and psychologists take a few years with them first to better understand the mind of a killer. The larger sample size we have the more data we have to understand the patterns of these types of killers and be able to track them down easier / identify patterns in new killers, etc...
                                                                                                              http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-pena....do?id=1101084

                                                                                                              It has a list of Recent Cost Studies.

                                                                                                              http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

                                                                                                              That is about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. ("Executions Cost Texas Millions," Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992)

                                                                                                              etc

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                                                                                                                  life is not black and white.

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                                                                                                                    • Jensen
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                                                                                                                      Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                      It's time we up how extreme ours is. Maybe start cutting off hands and body parts, broad casted on TV... The crime rate will fall through the floor, much like several of the Countries you listed violent crime rates are much lower than any Country without it - because the penalties are much more extreme.
                                                                                                                      You are wrong. http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/as...0152008eng.pdf

                                                                                                                      Read and learn. Many governments actively promote the death penalty as vital for crime control. They claim that the threat of executions deters criminals from committing violent crime.

                                                                                                                      From the PDF:

                                                                                                                      MYTH - The death penalty deters violent crime and makes society safer.

                                                                                                                      FACT - Evidence from around the world has shown that the death penalty has no
                                                                                                                      unique deterrent effect on crime. Many people have argued that abolishing the
                                                                                                                      death penalty leads to higher crime rates, but studies in the USA and Canada,
                                                                                                                      for instance, do not back this up.

                                                                                                                      Far from making society safer, the death penalty has been shown to have a brutalizing
                                                                                                                      effect on society. State sanctioned killing only serves to endorse the use of force
                                                                                                                      and to continue the cycle of violence.

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                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Jensen
                                                                                                                          http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-pena....do?id=1101084

                                                                                                                          It has a list of Recent Cost Studies.

                                                                                                                          http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

                                                                                                                          That is about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. ("Executions Cost Texas Millions," Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992)

                                                                                                                          etc
                                                                                                                          Sounds like we need to dispense with some of the red tape driving up the costs... it should be a hell of a lot cheaper :P
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                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Jensen
                                                                                                                              You are wrong. http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/as...0152008eng.pdf

                                                                                                                              Read and learn. Many governments actively promote the death penalty as vital for crime control. They claim that the threat of executions deters criminals from committing violent crime.

                                                                                                                              From the PDF:

                                                                                                                              MYTH - The death penalty deters violent crime and makes society safer.

                                                                                                                              FACT - Evidence from around the world has shown that the death penalty has no
                                                                                                                              unique deterrent effect on crime. Many people have argued that abolishing the
                                                                                                                              death penalty leads to higher crime rates, but studies in the USA and Canada,
                                                                                                                              for instance, do not back this up.

                                                                                                                              Far from making society safer, the death penalty has been shown to have a brutalizing
                                                                                                                              effect on society. State sanctioned killing only serves to endorse the use of force
                                                                                                                              and to continue the cycle of violence.
                                                                                                                              Umm... I said "If you show the executions, it slows violent crimes down. Knowing you have a punishment doesn't" - So I'm not wrong...

                                                                                                                              Knowing you have punishment doesn't.... like the PDF says. However the PDF doesn't tell you the crime rates for Countries that broadcast the executions, for a reason.
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                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                                  Umm... I said "If you show the executions, it slows violent crimes down. Knowing you have a punishment doesn't"

                                                                                                                                  Knowing you have punishment doesn't.... like the PDF says. However the PDF doesn't tell you the crime rates for Countries that broadcast the executions, for a reason.
                                                                                                                                  I'd say that public executions would definitely slow crime rates... and I mean the type of public where everyone is watching...

                                                                                                                                  On a side note, I'm a big supporter of increasing penalties for violent crime and decreasing penalties for non violent crime...
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                                                                                                                                    • TheDoc
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                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by BestXXXPorn
                                                                                                                                      I'd say that public executions would definitely slow crime rates... and I mean the type of public where everyone is watching...

                                                                                                                                      On a side note, I'm a big supporter of increasing penalties for violent crime and decreasing penalties for non violent crime...
                                                                                                                                      Oh it for sure does... just like chopping peoples hands off lowers theft rates. No needles, no way to numb it, just a sword and whack - right on TV. Theft rates would drop to the floor over night. No person skilled with the hand, would steal again - even for the fun/thrill of it - which is what most theft is.
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                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                                          Oh it for sure does... just like chopping peoples hands off lowers theft rates. No needles, no way to numb it, just a sword and whack - right on TV. Theft rates would drop to the floor over night. No person skilled with the hand, would steal again - even for the fun/thrill of it - which is what most theft is.
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                                                                                                                                            • TheDoc
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                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by BestXXXPorn
                                                                                                                                              Every Marine knows fear and pain are the two best motivators in the world ;)
                                                                                                                                              Damn straight... eye for an eye!
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                                                                                                                                                • TheDoc
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                                                                                                                                                  What I don't get is people that give a shit about a murder/rapist, etc that did something so bad they are on death row. I agree, make sure you got the right damn guy - without question, but..

                                                                                                                                                  It takes some very fucked up things going on your head to show remorse for those people, at any level... show your remorse for the proper "victim" at least.

                                                                                                                                                  Maybe go preach your no-death-penalty bullshit to the actual murders, the actual people raping little girls, murdering them and then repeating it for years and years and years.

                                                                                                                                                  Sorry, if you truly think this type of person deserves anything but death, truly don't talk to me again. Put me on ignore and piss off.
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                                                                                                                                                    • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Jensen
                                                                                                                                                      Far from making society safer, the death penalty has been shown to have a brutalizing
                                                                                                                                                      effect on society. State sanctioned killing only serves to endorse the use of force
                                                                                                                                                      and to continue the cycle of violence.
                                                                                                                                                      As can be seen by some of the replies here. Showing it on live TV will do a lot to make people more brutal.



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                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2005
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                                                                          Because killing them is the easy way out.

                                                                                                                                                          I used to believe in the death penalty too. Until I sat down one day and did the math. I'd rather have someone convicted of murder get ass fucked and then forced to toss the salad three times a day for the next forty years instead of ending their life 14 fourteen years or whatever.

                                                                                                                                                          Make their life horrible, drag it out, and feed them bread and water until they die.
                                                                                                                                                          Yes, criminals are fed bread and water in jail, god is real and you're intelligent.
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                                                                                                                                                            • JFK
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Zorgman
                                                                                                                                                              How many years was he on death row?
                                                                                                                                                              25 as it says above

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                                                                                                                                                                • PR_Glen
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                                                                  • 9058
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  there is no deterrent for murder, in fact it's safe to say that there never will be one either.

                                                                                                                                                                  We kill people for their crimes to satisfy a need for revenge under the guise of justice not to deter. We jail them to keep them from hurting others, not to rehabilitate or punish them. Only smaller crimes punish, and only smaller sentences have a chance at rehabilitation and THOSE work as deterrents.
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