Murderer Ex-Cop Gets Cherry Picked Jury
 

Mehserle Jury Selected; Grant Family Angry With Makeup - Jun 2010

LOS ANGELES -- A jury dominated by women and without any African Americans was selected Tuesday to determine the fate of former BART police officer Johannes Mehserle, accused of killing an unarmed man on a Bay Area transit platform less than 18 months ago. The 12 jurors included eight women and four men. Of those, seven were white, four were Hispanic and one was East Indian. The alternates were composed of five women and one man. Three were Asian-Americans, two were white and the sixth was Hispanic.

?In this case, it is going to be a different of voir dire, the district attorney is going to want defense-oriented jurors,? he said. ?They want more liberal jurors. In the sense that they are going to look at this and say ?Wait a minute, I know what the police do in certain situations. I know what they can do to people.??

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:2 cents: So, white rambo cop and his buddy pin down an unarmed black man and shoot him in the back in front of several witnesses and on video, and the District Attorney wants "defense-oriented jurors" ???


Everyone ready to see Oakland burn to the ground?

To be fair, most of Oakland is a shithole.

Who cares really?

The family of the murder victim for starters.

If he gets off rioters will burn Oakland to the ground.

Also, they chose this jury in less than one day.

id act all pro-cop during jury selection then crawfish and put guilty as verdict

any cop who claims he mistook taser for glock is guilty of not only murder but ignorance beyond comprehension

Personally, I believe that was his panic reaction excuse after he realized he was being captured on video. Any cop that can't tell the difference between his taser and his firearm should not be a cop. Not to mention, aren't they kept on different sides of his body? His official excuse is he doesn't know where his service pistol is?

Doesn't the families attorney have a voice in the jury selection? How would they allow this to happen.

Until you've held one of these in your hand, you really cant comment on it. But It's not too hard to confuse the two, especially how many police keep them right next to each other (and your in a struggle with some guy).

Sure has the look and feel of a gun to me.

http://objurgate.net/wp-content/uplo...nced-taser.jpg

and now the glock

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...f/Glock_23.jpg

karma is fast sometimes its slow.

I think these look rather similar as well. I haven't read much into the case, but I do know that if it was a white man that shot a white man or Asian man that shot an Asian man (Or even Asian man that shot a white man) there would be no discussion over a mixed jury.

But do I think the cop is innocent? No. Do I think he should go free? No. Do I think that the cop should lose his job? Yes.

I am a big fan of glocks, have held plenty of them and fired many of them, they are not even comparable to fucking light weight tasers. Just because they look similar means nothing. Do you own any guns? If you cant tell the difference between a real firearm and some piece of plastic taser you need more training with firearms.

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news...6 2890c910aa1

I shot that same glock last week. Glock 23 is nice firearm. You cannot mistake it for a taser. Only an idiot would.

You think a guy that murdered someone should get...fired?

You're a boob.

I totally have to agree with you Fletch.... Also, cops almost always keep their tazers holstered on the off side in a cross-draw holster.... they deliberately keep it away from the duty weapon holster for exactly this reason....


.:2 cents:

1. In the heat of the moment I doubt you would think about it that much.

2. The yellow markings are optional and are only used sometimes. When they are not used the Taser is all black. The 2 digit LED display may not have been looked at. These cops don't take a weapon out and give it a full inspection before they use it. Again it's the heat of the moment.

3. That is definitely a legitimate argument.

With a DA like this you wonder how he got the job.

He does not think people could lie in a questionnaire?

Did I say he should get nothing else? No. I have not heard all of the evidence and testimonies. I am at no place to say the full punishment he should get. I just know that yes he should get fired. As far as court punishments I am in no place to say.

negligent homicide is still homicide.

"I thought it was my taser" is about as amateur and naive as can be, and those who believe it sound like they dont carry a gun, or never have.

This is not a game, this is law enforcement shooting people in the back and killing them, if you think excuses like "I thought it was my taser" are sufficient as excuse to kill someone, you have serious issues regarding firearm responsibility.

the guy was unarmed, on the ground, and got shot in the back - "i thought it was my taser" "ok officer, all is good go home you did good job" gtfo with that nonsense. This is a mans life you talking about not homework excuse.

guilty.

The Prosecuting attorney and District attorney allowed this jury to be selected because they, for some reason unknown to us believe, that it will work for a conviction. The prosecuting attorney generally knows what they are doing when it comes to picking juries and really want to win. If they loose a high profile case they get caned.



Or all the black people and Latin people were able to get out of jury duty.:2 cents:

I never said he was innocent. I do not think he was innocent. I was looking from both sides. Notice that I pointed out both sides. I believe he is guilty. I never once said he was innocent.

This follows the apathy and excuse making I've been talking about. Why make excuses for this guy? There is a 2 pound difference between them, it should be holstered opposite his firearm, and the police are supposed to be trained. They don't get to use the "heat of the moment" excuse on what should have been a routine arrest or questioning. They are supposed to be better than that, otherwise we can just put any old trigger-happy redneck out there and do away with police academies. Save some tax money at least.

Not to mention, the victim was held down by another officer's knee while Mehserle shot him in the back. "Heat-of-the-moment" is about the last thing that applies in this case.

It sadly sounds as if there will be some upcoming urban renewal for Oakland.

Why the assumption that whites and hispanics are incapable of being fair and impartial?

a bit off topic, but since tasers are the subject

Ive read most police taser policies also have this line in it: "when the subject is in a position where a fall may cause substantial injury or death;"

Which we see in California recently, cops tasered guy on cliff.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/319245/Las...ER-Regulations

Civilians think tasers are fun and a game, but in fact, the rules regarding them are very strict and it is treated EXACTLY LIKE A FIREARM. Cops are supposed to be heavily trained in regards to firearms, time and time again we see they act like cowboys and not trained officers.

I havent been able to find Cali police procedure for tasers though. Common sense is not to use it near ledge or cliff,... this cop sholuldnt have even been tasering the subject, but many overlook that. he was on ground subdued, and did not need tasering either, but instead was shot in cold blood negiligently by officer.

I call bullshit on the whole trial, they are charging him with first degree murder which is clearly NOT what happened as first degree murder requires premeditation.

I don't know who said that. I didn't.
But the jury is being viewed as stacked in his favor. It sucks to make it a black versus white issue but the reality is, it is. White cop shoots unarmed black commuter in the back while another white officer held him down. There are no blacks on the jury, or anyone that was the victim's age, and they rushed through and selected this jury in less than a day. That's what all the noise is about.

Personally, it doesn't matter to me what color person it was. The ex-cop (Mehserle) is still a piece of shit murderer. But you can see how this would not go over well with the Oakland community. If he gets off, there will be riots over it. They don't care if a white woman from Beverley Hills is capable of being impartial, they want proper balanced representation in the jury box.

Hey Krissy, you + guns = sexy beyond belief :thumbsup

Thanks! :] Did you see the pics from the gun store in Vegas?

until they get their lawsuit money.... :2 cents:











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That's how long it normally takes to pick a jury.

That's not what they said on the news last night. They said 2 days is more like normal, and certainly even more time in high profile cases like this where jury selection is being watched very carefully.

1 day is the average. The news is adding shit to stir the pot.


I do see what you are saying. And i know it doesn't look so great the way the jury is made up. No matter what the news says, the prosecutor and DA do know what they are doing when it comes to picking juries.


With the few facts i got, this ex cop is gonna loose if his defense is "i garbed my Glock thinking it was my taser". That is equivalent to saying "sorry" and expecting to walk away from this case clean.


I see that this guy on trial is now an Ex cop. So the department sees that this guy was wrong and fuck up, so will a jury.




So at the end of the day the media is doing what the media does, justice will be served through the court system and the expected outcome+sentence for killing an unarmed man will be arrived to.


Im guessing guilty with some sort of jail sentence will be the verdict and nobody will ever remember the make up of the jury.:2 cents:

where's the links :helpme

Congratulations on going to shooting ranges and shooting weapons. I on the other hand own a ton of guns, Including the glock 23 and glock 27.

Maybe someday you will know what it's like to pull a gun on someone, your hand goes numb even with your adrenaline pumping, thats why people are trained to pull and unsafety the gun immediately. Regardless of it being a taser or a gun, when it comes out of the holster, it's ready to fire.

From your article

"1. You pull out the lightweight, brightly colored weapon. You load the cartridge onto the tip of the barrel. The cartridge is fat and rectangular, looking nothing like a pistol barrel."

*the cartridges are preloaded 99% of the time, That's the green square you see on the end of them. This article makes it seem like you have to self load it every time, completely inaccurate like most of this opinion piece.

Obviously the "we hate the police sentiment" runs strong in this thread, but i urge you to go out and see the usual bullshit the police deal with on an everyday basis, and i guarantee most of you would still be hiding behind the keyboard before trading your keyboard for a gun/taser and defending the streets.

cool, glad you own guns, it was just a question, so I know if you hold weapons regularly or just talking about a 7 ounce taser feeling the same as Glock 23 LOL

pfft, range? LOL I am surrounded by 10s of thousands of acres of woods, we just shoot in the woods ;) LOL Dont even need a permit to carry in your car here ;)

"I on the other hand own a ton of guns" hehehe thats funny one

dude, I got my first gun at age 10, just because I dont own a glock doesnt mean I am not armed, the only reason I dont have a glock is because I dont need any MORE guns, all I need is more magazines and i got enough shotgun shells to last a small war LOL But i tell ya, I been trying to find a reaosn to get a glock lol love them, but dont really need one.

wasnt trying to piss you off, just asking simple question, comparing a taser to a glock has nothing to do with all this "heat of the moment/adrenaline" stuff etc, I am talking weapons period. And I surely didnt go off on a "i hate cops" tangent thats for sure, you have me confused with others.

"Maybe someday you will know what it's like to pull a gun on someone,"

I hope I never have to point my guns at someone, I really hope that day never comes.

I don't hate the police as a concept. I hate police that murder people either because they can get away with it or because of incompetence. I hate police that betray the public trust and abuse their authority. I hate police that commit all kinds of crimes because they know they will get off. You might give them a free pass, but I do not.

I have been on ride-alongs for full shifts. I have witnessed police laughing and joking about how they beat the shit out of someone. I have had police rob my own home. I have witnessed police take things simply because they know it's your word against theirs, and no one is going to believe you. I have been beaten by police for trying to stop them from executing my dogs. I have been beaten by police for merely stating that I was going to report their criminal acts.

I'm sorry the police have such a difficult job. Lots of people have difficult jobs. If they can't do the job because it's too difficult, they need to work elsewhere. I do know what it's like to "pull a gun" on someone. But I never accidentally killed anyone because I was flustered or stressed out about my difficult job.

And finally, this is not an "opinion" piece. It's about a real trial for a real police-murder. How you come up with "opinion" is beyond me. Although I will submit, it is my opinion that Oakland will riot if this criminal goes free. That part is opinion based on past similar events. (denoted by the 2 Cents graphic in front of my OP comment).

wondering that myself

Not as bad as that, but cops get free passes here too in Chicago. This was just the other day.

http://www.suntimes.com/2354708,than...060410.article

Cop kills two young adults late at night. Police on scene don't administer test till 8-9 hours later. No charges filed. Eventually the bar released security footage that showed the guy pounding back shots 15 minutes before the accident so they re-opened the case. But the cops stood by him and the Judge caved and he got off with killing two people.

In this world of anti-racists and "hate crimes" etc., would any white person really want to be on a jury that lets a murderous white cop get away with killing a black dude? It's not like a jury is majority rules...it is UNANIMOUS, aka every white person on that jury needs to say that cop is not guilty for them to render that verdict, meaning they would have to watch their back for quite a long time after rendering that verdict.

The funny thing is if it were the reverse scenario, black cop killing white dude and mostly black jury, the same issue wouldn't exist. Other way around and a not guilty verdict will cause a riot and at least one if not more jurors will probably be beaten or killed at some point.

Now THAT'S pretty fucking disturbing. I doubt that would happen in this case, but jesus...that's pretty damn bad.

I guarantee you that cop will be found guilty and have the book thrown at him because blacks rally with other blacks and whites are afraid of being labeled racist even if they aren't.

This is what I've been saying... this shit is happening nearly every day now. Where are we getting our police candidates from? Do we need to take another look at the screening process? It's like a bunch of drunken cowboys out there.

Every jury is hand picked. Every defendant has the right to dismiss potential jurors as does the prosecution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_selection

And for those that are not smart enough to know this already, the cop is innocent until proven guilty.

so what are you saying? that white and/or hispanic people are all racist and cannot be trusted to see justice?

if i remember right there's a video of the shooting. this is the only country i can think of that you can bullshit around the truth.

The porn guy they killed the other day at the cliff wasn't "proven guilty", and you cheered his death.

The two people the Border Patrol killed (one of them a 14 year old unarmed boy, and one in handcuffs in custody already), were not "proven guilty" and you said "Screw Mexico".

This ex-cop was caught on video killing Grant.

Hypocrisy or bad memory?

Bullshit, we all saw what happened:



Cops stands up, draws gun, kills unarmed man laying 'cuffed on ground. He's guilty. The only thing left to decide is what price he pays.

I challenge you to find where I posted that. I will send you $1,000 dollars via Paypal as soon as you can point that out.

very scary stuff, that man did not deserve to be killed, no one can defend that shooting. He was laying on the ground cuffed. he wasnt resisting, or coming at them with a weapon, nothing. Totally subdued and cop points gun at his back and fires. if that happened to anyones family member theyd be fighting for death penalty too, im glad we have the video at least. They just roll him over and proceed to let him die right there.

Scary how fast someones life can be taken, blink of an eye and youre bleeding to death, grasping for air, I cant imagine what goes through your head and I have nothin but compassion for the victims family. That is a horrible way to go.

People will prolly watch the vid and cheer it on though, just how people are.

very sad video.

Doesn't the DA get to reject potential jurors they don't like. Why didn't they do it then?