Stop the Bullshit!

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • VHNet
    Confirmed User
    • May 2005
    • 386

    #1

    Stop the Bullshit!

    http://returnmyjedi.com/2010/06/stop-the-bullshit/

    I wrote one for affiliates this time.

    Hope it's useful.

    More to come on using the free program written about for a ton of helpful shit.
    Bringing mainstream marketing to the Adult Industry

    ICQ: 221976033
  • Caligari
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2009
    • 5414

    #2
    great article man, your site is rapidly becoming one i refer to more often than others for insights.
    ATTN Webmasters Cruel Bucks - LIVE Gonzo Does Not Pay
    ------------------------------------------------
    Animal Rescue Click Here to Feed An Animal for Free

    Comment

    • fatfoo
      ICQ:649699063
      • Mar 2003
      • 27763

      #3
      Interesting read.
      Send me an email: [email protected]

      Comment

      • VHNet
        Confirmed User
        • May 2005
        • 386

        #4
        Originally posted by Caligari
        great article man, your site is rapidly becoming one i refer to more often than others for insights.
        Appreciate it! I've got a few others that have worked with me for the past 8 years working on some fresh articles. Hoping to have some great content in the coming months.
        Bringing mainstream marketing to the Adult Industry

        ICQ: 221976033

        Comment

        • VHNet
          Confirmed User
          • May 2005
          • 386

          #5
          Bump for the morning crowd
          Bringing mainstream marketing to the Adult Industry

          ICQ: 221976033

          Comment

          • seeandsee
            Check SIG!
            • Mar 2006
            • 50945

            #6
            Nice read, thanks for sharing, good points.
            BUY MY SIG - 50$/Year

            Contact here

            Comment

            • Quagmire
              Confirmed User
              • Jul 2005
              • 6490

              #7
              Originally posted by VHNet
              http://returnmyjedi.com/2010/06/stop-the-bullshit/

              I wrote one for affiliates this time.

              Hope it's useful.

              More to come on using the free program written about for a ton of helpful shit.
              You should use 'wary' or 'leery' rather than 'weary' when describing how affiliates feel. We're suspicious of sponsors, not tired.

              Grammer police comment aside, nice article. I agree fully with #1, and absolutely hate changes to terms by sponsor programs. I am not willing to promote a program if they change their terms and it applies to existing affiliate, not just new ones. And while I won't throw a tantrum and pull links, I just won't promote them anymore.

              The problem with #2 and #3 is the bro-factor. So many people come to the boards and suck sponsor cock purely because their friend works there, or some rep bought them drinks at a show, or they were sent an iphone, etc. You can't even go with the larger companies, because look at what happened to WEG. The bigger they are, the harder they fall, or the bigger your asshole is after the fucking they give you? You decide.

              Further to #3, I have always maintained that there are friends and there is business. Don't let friendship blur your vision. Friends don't pay your bills, your business does.

              And while I love the tracking pixel, it isn't realistic for all programs. Can you imagine how many changes a program like AWE would have to make? Or TCG? or Topbucks? It can definitely work with smaller programs who want to work with you, not just want your business, but isn't realistic for larger ones.

              Comment

              • VHNet
                Confirmed User
                • May 2005
                • 386

                #8
                Originally posted by Quagmire
                You should use 'wary' or 'leery' rather than 'weary' when describing how affiliates feel. We're suspicious of sponsors, not tired.
                Fair enough! I have a few writing traps I always fall into, heh. Appreciate it


                Originally posted by Quagmire
                The problem with #2 and #3 is the bro-factor. So many people come to the boards and suck sponsor cock purely because their friend works there, or some rep bought them drinks at a show, or they were sent an iphone, etc. You can't even go with the larger companies, because look at what happened to WEG. The bigger they are, the harder they fall, or the bigger your asshole is after the fucking they give you? You decide.
                I completely agree. When I personally do business - mainstream advertisers are very dirty...it's an unspoken truth - I have 3 people that I trust to ask to give me a valid opinion. If I ask them "Have you had experience with X program, or this one's run by Y company" - they'll tell me yes/no, and if no, who they've run with success (and minimal problems).

                Originally posted by Quagmire
                Further to #3, I have always maintained that there are friends and there is business. Don't let friendship blur your vision. Friends don't pay your bills, your business does.
                100% in cadence with you. When I mention relationship management, there's a VERY clear line between friendship and business relationships. Maybe this was my mistake by using the $20 from a friend example, but you are correct - never cross friendship with business...almost all of the times I have done this, it has ended up in the pooper.

                Originally posted by Quagmire
                And while I love the tracking pixel, it isn't realistic for all programs. Can you imagine how many changes a program like AWE would have to make? Or TCG? or Topbucks? It can definitely work with smaller programs who want to work with you, not just want your business, but isn't realistic for larger ones.
                Unfortunately you're right. When I work with Fortune 500 companies doing mainstream marketing, it's the same problem - I can't get them to place a tracking pixel for the life of me. The alternative is if they allow SubIDs, use SubIDs. However...if a percentage your sales aren't tracking in the first place on their program...it's useless for anything except figuring out what marketing method your leads are coming from.

                Thanks for the comments!
                Bringing mainstream marketing to the Adult Industry

                ICQ: 221976033

                Comment

                • Caligari
                  Confirmed User
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 5414

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Quagmire
                  You should use 'wary' or 'leery' rather than 'weary' when describing how affiliates feel. We're suspicious of sponsors, not tired.
                  well i gotta say i'm "tired" of some of the shit sponsors pull...just sayin
                  ATTN Webmasters Cruel Bucks - LIVE Gonzo Does Not Pay
                  ------------------------------------------------
                  Animal Rescue Click Here to Feed An Animal for Free

                  Comment

                  • VHNet
                    Confirmed User
                    • May 2005
                    • 386

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Caligari
                    well i gotta say i'm "tired" of some of the shit sponsors pull...just sayin
                    Unfortunately so are a lot of others. But that's not to say there aren't great sponsors...
                    Bringing mainstream marketing to the Adult Industry

                    ICQ: 221976033

                    Comment

                    • michael.kickass
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 11039

                      #11
                      interesting
                      NICERATIOS - $30 PPS - 50% Rev Share - 5% WM Referral - High Converting Sites!
                      Any questions about your NICERATIOS account? Vanessa will take care of you: [email protected]

                      Looking to expand your business in general, maybe sell your sites? Contact me:
                      [email protected]

                      Comment

                      Working...