AFF Helping People Help Others. The Big Picture and a Huge Thumbs Up.
 

Im reading about all this anger about the new Broker rules for AFF.. It seems the main issue with you all is signing up a new affialate every 3 months and making sure he can make at least 50 bucks a month to keep your accounts active..

Seems pretty easy to do if you ask me. But lets look at the bigger picture here.

Many of you are worried about lost money becasue of these new rules But in theory you would make more. You would take pride in your flock. Assist them. Encourage them to keep working. Give them incentives and direction. Making sure they know how to make money for those three months. Then after those three months they should have the tools to take care of themselves.. You will be like the Mama Bird teaching them to fly. Moving onto another every three months.

Think of it this way. ITs rewarding.. You are not only helping yourself but another person. In my opinon its very rewarding to help others.. If it werent for THE FLY back in 1998 id never had been in adult. He helped me and taught me along the way and Ive more than paid him back.

Thats the problem with Americans. They only look out for themselves now days. But investing in the infostructure and helping others is far more rewarding than you realize..

Either way, you're gunna have to learn this. The hard way or the rewarding way.
I suggest you get to work.

You people think im joking.

People who grasp this concept are going to make some good money with it.
ITs how things worked back in the late 90's.

The whole "Boneprone Family - BP4L" Started out that way.
Webmaster Referals.

The "Family" wasnt just some GFY joke or internet gang. It was a network of webmasters pre GFY days where we all helped eachother, signed up under one another and networked.

I was making over $10,000.00 a month alone off adult.com's amateur pages. Another 7k a month off TopBucks/Topcash webmaster referals. 4k a month off Brad Shaws Program for many years.

All off webmater referals. About 20k a month just off referals not even including my own affialate accounts.

It gave me the reputation of the "family" and who I knew and who I could bring to the table to any sponsor.. I helped teach people how to make money. And in return it rewarded me.

Sure it was a different era back then. There werent Webmaster shows every month or GFY's back then for webmasters to spam and get info about programs and signup on their own, but it was more than that. It was bringing people who signed up under you in as a family member. Not just having them signup and letting them fend for themselves, but teaching them how to do it. How to make money. Teaching... It was rewarding for everyone involved..

In the past 10 years the industry is become very "ME" Oriented.. The industry is shrinking back to how it was... ITs good and bad... But for those of you willing to network and work the system it can be very rewarding indeed.. I have been around during the ups and downs and although this may weed out a lot of you brokers, it can become very rewarding for those of you willing to work.

Its how us old dudes used to do it back in the day.
Work..

Try it sometime.

I couldn't disagree more... I have an outside look at things (due to non compete I can't touch dating anything) and from where I sit you just fed everyone a line of complete bullshit.

Their new policy is for no other reason than to reduce affiliate payments... To say any different is complete BS. If they didn't want to reduce affiliate payments and only increase activity they would have offered INCENTIVES to do better... NOT completely drop everyone you've ever signed up from your list because you didn't sign up someone new...

"Thats the problem with Americans." Get off your high fucking horse and stop making blanket statements about an entire country...

This AFF change is OBVIOUSLY to reduce payouts. To say otherwise is naive...

takes work scraping those tubes.











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Would you mind teaching me something, i wouldn't mind learning a new skill to make more money and making you feel warm and fuzzy. :winkwink:

I think the issue at hand is not trying to help people or not, which helping people is great. It is yet another company that changes the rules as they go. You make a deal, then they change it as they feel fit, and when they do (in all cases) it is to benefit them. Why can't someone just stick to the deal they originally setup ?

Exactly or change it moving FORWARD... Instead they always make it retroactive... THAT'S the shady part to me...

More like, don't mess with Bros who are trying to protect Bros. :winkwink:

Unless you run a forum or something how would you even know the people who have signed up under you...?

TeamClickCash was making me over $2,500 a week from wm referrals from people I referred and helped. And I can tell you as someone who has helped people and made a lot of money from it, like yourself, that this post while may be true in nature is total bullshit in reality. People shouldn't have to be "forced" to help others to make money from wm referrals. When AFF set up WM referrals "helping people" wasn't part of the process all you had to do was put a banner or link up and get people to click it and signup. While the benefits of helping people is great IT IS NO DEFENSE TO THEM CHANGING SHIT.

"Bros don't let other people mess with Bros" :pimp

I think a lot of you serious brokers are going to do very well with this new structure. Less people out there spamming AFF.

Also, I think you brokers have milked the cows long enough.. Its time for the Cow to get his.. The moment I find out the guy who I signed up under gets his broker account closed Im going to insist on a payout raise with my account... My rep knows its coming.

Get ready Sagi...

Im coming for you.

Hey, dont get me wrong, I know how many of you feel. Seriously I do. When Topcash turned to Topbucks I lost ALL of my webmaster referal money. It was more than you guys could live with.. Monthly it was around 4k a month at the time. Gone. Poof. IT sucked Real bad.

But biz is biz. I didnt cry over it. It sucked yes. But I never did biz with them again and still dont till this day. I have no hard feelings really.

But this thing with AFF is different than that. They are giving you a chance to keep your broker accounts. All you have to do is work a little.

Yes that sucks too, but if you do work, your ROI will make you better off than you are today. The requirements arent really that bad.

50 bucks a month? Its not a huge hurdle..

Ive been so fucked over the years with webmaster referals and I know this sucks but at least they are giving a chance to keep accounts alive.

You don't, and don't buy into the excuse they are trying to convey.. its nothing but white wash, or in this case, beer wash

You have a point.. That does sound fair.
But this economy may not allow them to do so. I dont know.

They still feed you, so you have to throw words.. thats the bro game everyone knows is obvious.. ever check your next months checks after they fly you out every year? Funny how it drops $3k that month eh?

Sorry, i dont have to do shit to keep what was promised, and i will spend my life turning everyone away form them, not towards, and from what i see, they are losing ship fast...
down 60% from 3 years ago, 70% 2 years ago, and now 90% this year..

To keep up they have to pay more and reduce the webmasters to do so.. so basically what was mine is now your boneprone
and then next year or 2 its your turn.. enjoy my money... you truly deserve it they way you wax their front walls

You know enough good people I could see you doing really well even with this new structure. I know you are a work horse, I think you would do well with this. Sucks you have to do extra work but I think you'd make some good money.

LOL that's like saying, well at least they are giving you some lube. :1orglaugh

On a serious note, I wish I could get out of this thread. When I wrote this new thread I thought I was logged in as Anal Hobbit. LOL.

Fuck.

so you get harder into this, and then one month your new ref. earn 49 and you lost all :D

or they just turn off the referral recorder, because now they know you truly dont know who signed up :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

so i think the name of the program should be.. DONT KNOW YOUR BROKER

I am arms broker rated #2 in international arms dealer magazine

The problem with your spin on it, is how does it work for those who don't refer many webmasters and have no interest to?

For example, let's say you have a guy who knew 3 people who promote dating heavily, who for one reason or another were not promoting AFF. This guy spends some time and effort convincing them to give it a shot and they finally start promoting it.

As long as they promote it, he makes his cut for the initial referral.

He isn't a broker and he doesn't know other guys who aren't already promoting AFF, nor does he care to launch some site to try and refer people.

With the recent change, he now loses that chunk of money he was making every month. For no reason other than AFF's greed.

If he was smart, he would try and convince his referrals to stop sending to AFF and refer them elsewhere. Of course, they can't stop or they would lose their payments if they stop sending traffic. They can keep a minimal amount going though and switch out the majority.

So, in the above scenario, which is more common that you'd think, what happens:

• AFF pisses off someone who may bring them new business in the future; if he ever did come across someone else to refer, he will never do it now.
• Loses traffic and sales from good affiliates who switch majority of traffic elsewhere

Spin that. :2 cents:

That would suck..

Yeah I dont know how this is going to work out for the avarage broker. Could be tough.

The time it takes to find a new productive person and work with them burns more time than it would if that time was spent working with the people you already have, that's forgetting the extra time also takes up productive time for the main person to build more traffic to aff directly.

IMHO no program should make it a time issue in order for you to get paid or penalize you for not making enough in a certain period of time

"AFF Helping People Help Others. The Big Picture and a Huge Thumbs Up."

Hey I'm all for giving AFF a huge thumbs up.

If by thumb you mean middle finger.

It seems to me everyone thinks the new rules are setup to make things impossible and to end the broker program without a formal screwjob by closing it outright.

I can see that.

But I can also see why they would like to close out some broker accoutns who have been cashing in for years and doing nothing.

Would it be better if they made it the new person you signed up only had to make 50.00 total in the period? Maybe the threshold is just too high.

LOL :thumbsup:thumbsup

BP, whatever it is you are smoking I want some!!!

Why dont you guys talk to them? what are they saying to you when you talk to your reps? Seems the main thing you all have issue with is the getting a new person signed up under you making 50.00 bucks a month. Why not just ask them if they can adjust that amount? The rest of it really seems fair to me otherwise.. No?

"AFF Helping People Help Others. The Big Picture and a Huge Thumbs Up."

Sadly I have seen this title before. :(

AFF or should I say cams.com ( same corp) telling models they had " Great News " for them and went on to announce how they would be getting a pay increase blah blah from 35 percent to 45 percent ....woooohooo ...yea but then came the terms etc...... which inc we will deduct marketing costs etc etc......bottom line they had dropped it to 29 percent .....and had given nothing away at all....but had in fact made a pay cut !!!!

I think Elli and Sagi are cool ...but if it involves changes of terms involving AFF/Cams and whatever else in that corp....I simply think on the trick they pulled above.

So not true and doesnt matter.. a deal is a deal. and my lawyer can prove it if i choose that route

keep stacking that paper aff. don't listen to the haters.

Hey your bank just called me, seems that 7% you are paying on that loan for your house, well, starting next month, its going to be 21%, because they said so... Pay up

LOL..
I dont think any lawyer is going to mess around with this kinda thing.
Your best bet is to talk to your rep. Have you done that yet?

You have no idea how many tens of thousands ive lost in these kinds of situations. It sucks but its just silly when you start talking about lawyers. When it comes down to it they can do whatever they like.

With that said im sure they could make some exceptions for some people.. Why dont you try?

Yep. That happened to many Americans over the past 3 years.
But this is different. AFF is giving you the Oppertunity to make more money.

Dont you guys see it?

Well you always have to take fees into consideration.

Really, no biz? I bought your mobile from your "network of sites" that you currently run, you know the sites you brought up in the TBMobile seminar. ; )

You are also talking about a program that was closed, not a change of TOS. There would have been no more referrals is because it was a PPC program.

That's the point. They were not required to do anything to be entitled to lifetime referral % on whatever the person they referred makes going forward.

Legally, AFF is fine since they have the "terms may change at any time" type clause I am sure. So those who think about legal action, I suggest you drop it - you won't get very far.

Basically, it's as if I told you "bring me in that guy you know and as long as he's making me money, I'll give you 5% of what he brings me". Then, the next year I decide "hey, I'm going to stop paying you unless you start bringing me some more new guys - I think you got enough off that last guy".

They have adjusted their broker rules to benefit themselves NOT the affiliates

you can twist and bend explanations all the way you want, but any sub-affiliate that takes 4 (or more) months to get the required minimum of $50, you loose that income, forever!

AFF is basically making the "brokers" into AFF sales reps according to your theory, a clever move

So the only one who is benefiting is AFF

Now, if they would have done it as per 1st June 2010 onwards, I think there would be much less of a fuss amongst current affiliates!

Yes but why make a big deal and announce the "Great News' for all models ...commission increase from 35- 45 percent ! ...why not just say look we are cutting commissions to 29 percent ......you know its bullshit...i know that was bullshit and even Elli and Sagi know...so give me a break !....of course a very high percentage of the suckers fell for it ...so I guess it was worth them doing it the way they did.......but trust them ever again ..never lol....

LOLZ!!
You are EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whatever.. You know I love ya.

And i didnt do biz direct with ya. It was through that dumbass who was supposed to keep me a secret.
Shit...

i get what you are saying.


id love to be making money on aff...but i dont like the idea of losing accounts because focus shifted to some new sites for awhile

You got that right. You would have to be out of your mind to send them any traffic. :winkwink:

In the end its all about people..
I think aspects of this get to know your broker deal has good merit.

Oh shit HAHAHAHA :1orglaugh

What are u laughing at Ronald!
That was a lot of clicks they closed..

Sure there was no TOS change, they just fuckign killed the whole program!

Thats why AFF is good.. And she is Evil!

that sucked SO bad. They told us to get the referrals to sign up again under a new link to keep the money coming, what BS. Like people knew who used their link to sign up.

the good ole days. :1orglaugh

Yeah it sucked. And for many AFF brokers today its gunna suck.
But it was good till it lasted.. No hard feelings. Just sucked was all.

And as for AFF brokers you still have a chance to keep things active so its not a lose lose situation. Its win win if you make something of it.

Really it is.

so if you get a group of friends to sign up, you help them out and they're all making thousands a month now, sounds good, but if you don't get something new in any 3 month period, it's all gone forever.