attention agents/models:
 

rant/

don't cancel my shoots because you got a better paying shoot for ONE day then email me again looking for work.

don't tell me you'll shoot with me but if you get a better shoot that day you won't show up and expect me to EVER EVER EVER book you again.... save your fucking dime hotshot

don't book with me then cancel your trip to LA at the last minute and expect me to book you again.

do not send me a model fucked up on drugs and expect me to be okay with it.

I am a producer.... no matter what your BF or pimp-agent tells you, my time is more valuable than yours.

/rant :thumbsup

Ok sorry

well I have shot well over 3K models... you?

tear...you complete me

I think he was joking....like he was the one that sent you the model .

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Welcome to my world. Rant anytime bro! I hear ya...a lot of people just don't get it. They're resellers. Only a few of us are actually in the content production trenches.

bro, been shooting content since 2000, think you're in my world :)

I'd like to think/hope most professional agents don't intend on sending their models to set high as a kite...but shit happens...sucks to hear thats a common theme with you

had a 'reputable agent' send me a model high on vicodin. spent hours trying to shoot her... then her fucking GF showed up and gave her blow. so now that she was wide awake she got on the horn and started bitching about the time I was taking to shoot.... an 8 hour shoot took about 17 hours. the 'reputable agent' is still blamming me for the production time, demading money.

WOW well I hope for the sake of your productions (and your sanity) that doesn't happen to much more often

You need to not work with these agents. Tell them not us.

If of course you have no choice then grin and bear it.

Models via a lot of agents have always been a problem if you're not giving the agent lots of shoots and they know you can up and leave them.

so your make a life time of income off the content and they get paid a one time small fee for their service

you want the girls to give up a better one time fee from a producer who treats them a little fairer than you are willing to do

you want non compete status for your job offer non compete conditions in your job offer (like matching pricing /first right of refusal)

you don't get it, do you?

this guy has shot over 3000 models and has been shooting 10 years.

he calls the shots.

the fact that he shot over 3000 models does give him the right to be an ass

the girls don't get paid until after the content is shot

no consideration has been given to complete the contractual obligation (offer acceptance and consideration) and he is bitching about them basically taking advantage of a situation that exist solely because of his action (his way of doing business)

that a bitch move no matter how many years you have been getting away with doing it.

suck it up and live with it
or change the behavior that makes the reaction legitimate.

yeah, no big deal.. shit happens somtimes... don't deal with some agencies if possible... there are some great people out there in a adult and a few nut jobs

you are a retard with no clue about this business and you prove it on a daily basis. go shoot yourself :2 cents:

i dont think he is being an ass.
he offers a job at a specific rate, the rate and the job is accepted.
the job is scheduled, producer incur expenses to set up the job.
a day prior to the job (there is not enough time to set up another job for the producer) the model informs she was offered a better paying job on the day the job was scheduled and "cancel the job"
if there was a contract certainly there would then be a breach of contract..
most legitimate agencies will not allow this to happen, only when you deal with a pimp and nickel type agency or directly with the model..

Quoted for the truth:thumbsup


GidionGallery, this is a business thread and its a business you clearly do not understand. You giving advice or comments here in this thread is equivalent to you giving MMA lessons to pro fighters. Both wont work!!!



Rants about girls are always welcomed. ICQ me a name so i know who to avoid.:thumbsup

I totally agree with you.

but that like saying if it was raining you would get wet

it doesn't change the fact that your missing the consideration that is necessary for the contract TO BE VALID.

you don't have a valid contract until some form of consideration is exchanged and the way you guys work what the model did is perfectly legitimate under the law.

hehe- something to post on the studio door

Who is the gideongallery guy? :1orglaugh

Coming from the trenches I totally agree with you bm bradley.

I dont pay the models or the agencies until I get what I am paying for. If a model shows up fucked up I yell at the agents and tell them they owe me a kill fee. They don't want to lose my business so they need to not fuck up. It still happens of course but it all gets worked out over several deals.

"Consideration" can be verbal or in the form of a verbal promise. If BM Bradley can show a "detrimental reliance" on the girls promise to show up, that would be seen by the courts as "consideration". That would bind a contract if the "Offer" and "Acceptance" were also present.


"Detrimental reliance" would be: BM Bradley payed money to book a location, paid money for a make up artist, paid for an assistant, all based on the verbal "promise" that the model would show up.



So with the facts that i see and knowing what Brian deals with there is a contract.



Now there also is an "implied contract" that when the model shows up to work, that she be sober and ready to do her job. These contracts dont necessarily need to be written or expressed verbally.






Like i posted earlier, dont post in this thread because you have no idea what we deal with or what the fuck you are talking about when it comes to production or law.:2 cents:

if gideon was even remotely close to being correct, there would be no such thing as kill fees.

then you should haven enought to sue the model for breach of contract no need to bitch about on gfy

look fact that bradley committed to independent cost doesn't automatically obligate a model to show up to your casting

both producers incurred those cost and the model can't be in to places at the same time

the very nature of the modeling world has models attempting to go see multiple potential jobs. they might be rejected for one, they might be rejected from both and yes they might get both offers and be forced to choose the best one

unless the contract specifies the priority (first right or refusal etc) the way the current laws are written she has that right.

there are enough cases in mainstream acting and modeling to prove that point


btw in the real world entertainment world that the way it works
if you want priority you pay for it (option, first right or refusal etc)

so you get kill fees with absolutely no prior agreement ?

Models shows up high = model is sent home.

Model stays and works then gets blow and continues to work = BIG fuck up on your part. :2 cents:

don't waste your time argueing with gideon - it's like trying to make an retarded kid eat his broccoli

I was gonna pass on saying that however I gotta agree with you :thumbsup

whoops :helpme

Yes, exactly...

didn' find out till after the shoot from the crew the next day

fuck yeah i never shoot a model who shows up high...

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3k models under your belt and this wasn't a red flag to you?


Not trying to dis you man but I find it VERY hard to believe that anybody who has been shooting models for more than a year can't tell signs of drug use.

I can usually tell, and I'm sure Brian can... but not always. I shot a girl in January who started shivering about a quarter way into the shoot. Between still sets she would prop a small heater on her legs and blow hot air over herself. She insisted she just had a slight fever, and was adamant about finishing the shoot. I honestly thought she was just a bit sick, and was glad she was a trouper about finishing the shoot.

A couple days later I found out from another model that the girl was addicted to Oxycontin, her agent had flown her across the country knowing this, and the day of my shoot they'd got to the methadone clinic after it had closed and she was actually having withdrawal symptoms on my set.

I don't have any personal experience with, or have ever been around people who do drugs like Oxy or heroin, so maybe that's why I wasn't more suspicious of the girl's appearance and behavior.

And, of course, I'm still using the agent because he finds hot girls.

I can give MMA lessons to pro fighters

Lesson 1 - You must enjoy male physical contact
Lesson 2 - See Lesson 1

i am thinking you have just misunderstood how it works.
the model is showing up for a paid shoot, not for a casting with a possibility of a paid job.
if she shows up and does the job as agreed, she will walk away with either a payment in hand or promissory (they call it payroll if model is paid later).

someimes I try and muscel through it... I have a location hair/mu and crew all depending on the check and kill fees.. at my place I'll dump a shot in a heartbeat. no more though... I dumped a boy in the middle of a shoot yesterday...

The remedy for a contract dispute, is to enforce the contract or pay damages incurred as a result of the model failing to meet her obligations.


The price for attorneys fees and the time and money it would take to be right and win far exceeds what will be gained in return. Brians remedies are not feasible in this situation.


As Brian stated in this post he is ranting and sharing with other people what he and all of us producers deal with on the regular. And we all can identify and appreciate him sharing that with us.



Yes it does!! "Detrimental reliance" Brian Relied on her promise to show up to set, to his detriment. This is demonstrated by him paying for all of the expenses so the shoot can happen prior to the girl "failing" or "flaking out".The facts are judged by the "reasonable person standard".Any "reasonable person" can see this in this fact pattern Brian presented.




You are incorrectly assuming that a "promise" that the model made to show up to Brians set is not "Consideration".


You are wrong. Your Google law has failed you. You need to know the rules, understand the fact pattern and need to know how to apply them to the specific facts at hand. You clearly dont know all of the rules of contracts and how they apply to this situation.


I R A C
I=Issue
R=Rule
A=analysis
C=Conclusion

Easy 1st semester stuff In Law School. With all of the Laws and rules you are constantly spouting off, you clearly demonstrate you dont have a legal mind and you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.



Knowing the Law=shit!
Knowing how that law applies to the situation at hand=Knowledge!




Now you have demonstrated that you know nothing about contact law, how it applies to a particular situation and you further demonstrated that you have no concept of porn production...



WHY ARE YOU HERE POSTING IN THIS THREAD??

yeah I have a 1911 sitting around... just need the headache from using it

I wonder if it's the same FL model I had a similar issue with. I flat out caught her shooting up OC's and booked a return flight for the same day.

BTW.....As far as Florida goes.....

http://www.hulu.com/watch/100279/van...contin-express

you're still not getting it.

this guy has shot 3000 girls over 10 years, let's do the math-

10 years =3,650 days (1040 of those days are weekends)

3,650 - 1,040 = ~2,610 weekdays (not accounting for leap years)

3000 models /2,610 days = 1.15




this guy has AVERAGED shooting 1.15 models each and every day
of each and every week
of each and every month
of each and every year

for 10 fucking years man.


he obviously knows what's up.

:)

Maybe producers should hit THEM with a "kill fee" if the agent or their talent calcels. Time is money, and wasted time is like being jacked! :2 cents:

we get like $100 credit however with location and crew kills fee $100 doesn't really go the far :)

what the fuck is a weekend???

bm i am available for shoots i work for free

i specialize in small penis shoots :-(

LOL :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup