B2B cross sells via 3rd Party IPSP not allowed?
 

B2B cross sells via 3rd Party IPSP not allowed?

That is the rumor of the day.

Anyone want to confirm or deny this?

Makes sense as the sales would have a different descriptor even at the same IPSP.

I thought within the same IPSP you were allowed?
WG

The big difference is no information is being passed along. CCBill charges client A for site #1 and site #2. Site 1 and 2 never get the CC information. The descriptor isn't the problem that bugs visa as much as the information being passed around (from my understanding).

What Dave is saying is that he heard that is coming to an end.

Dave how good of a source did you get this from?

Is this a good enough source?

Interesting. If I'm understanding it correctly does that mean if you want to xsell to yourself they have to enter in the info twice?

This is going to get interesting thats for sure... Can we say goodbye to high payouts?

I started bringing xsales in-house, including 3rd party.

If this has any merit, I'm ready.

According to what Mitch said, no because it would be one entity.

Time for more consolidation to solve this problem :2 cents:

Any 3rd party processors willing to address this rumor?

Xselling to yourself is the same entity so it does not fall into the same rule.

I was told straight from Visa about the new rule, which effects IPSPs and individual merchants alike. Enforcement may be something else. I am just going by what I was told directly.

If you're x-selling to yourself, will you be required to re-enter the credit card info or is that only when x-selling to other merchants on the same IPSP?
WG

The way I understand it is you can cross to yourself but you cannot cross to another company even if you are both using the same third party processor like ccbill, epoch, etc.

Which is different then we were thinking was going to be the case last week. A possible solution was to go back to third party processing from your own merchant accounts so that it would all be under 1 roof per say even though the program owners may be different. The addition to this rule would shoot that all to hell though.

You truly only could cross to yourself then unless doing the reentering of cc data.

Interesting. When does this go into affect?

How long do you think it is going to take before Sponsor A and Sponsor B get together and form a corporation in which each owns 50%. Sponsor A brings 5 totally built out sites and content to the partnership, while Sponsor B does the same. The new entity gets its own Merchant Account to process transactions and the new entity xsells between the 10 sites and Sponsor A and Sponsor B split the revenues from the company 50/50.

Seems easy enough to me.

--T

they will find a way

Perhaps you've not plunged into these murky waters before...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh...Sweet T knows these waters better than most...:winkwink:

Like herding cats!

It was just an observation...I have not ever sold or bought one single cross sale.

--T

Wow....7 posts in 5+ years and I get the honor of being the one for 2010...and based on your post you know me so this is cool on multiple levels ;)

--T

i think they can do the same thing..but they dont need to share with anyone else.

just make separate members areas....full complete members areas...that you would actually want to belong to...and wham..you have multiple viable products to sell and cross sell..and rebill with

having one massive members area always seemed like a waste to me

have 4 massive member areas :)

obv not lol

The only "obv" thing here is that you have no idea what you are talking about. LOL!

--T

People started something along these lines a year or 2 ago. It's a decent work around.

If you are cross-selling to yourself, the customer does not have to re-enter the card info.

That's good to know.

As for "Sponsor A and Sponsor B get together and form a corporation" - To me it sounds like Sponsor A could just cross sell to itself and use another members area without the hassle of forming a partnership with Sponsor B.

party on wayne

party on garth

:)

Xbiz says "It said that 35 million consumers have paid $1.4 billion for such marketing offers. "

I wonder if this will affect Visa in a positive way or reduce profits from the processing and other fees like chargebacks.

We're on the same brain wave. :pimp

My thought was that one would be able to do xsales with other companies by using a whitelabel and masked domain.

You have to be careful with credits/chargebacks if you put all xsales coming to you ... that's why many send off to other companies.

i've asked it over here
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...8&postcount=16

of course it's gonna be you have to have the same descriptor to do any x-sell or upgrades with no card re-entry, this is their goal, I spoke to Visa CFO today, and he told me so.

The Visa rule applies to those who transfer data from one merchant to another. IF an IPSP were to do this, then yes, IPSPs are not immune to the rule and they would be in violation.

If you have any questions about your account with Epoch and how you may or may not be affected, please contact your sales representative or write to [email protected].


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So basically this affects operations that offer all the fliexibility like Netbilling because they are basically a gateway for your private merchant account but not Epoch, Segpay or CCBill, because they use their own merchant account and let you charge memberships on it?