So are cross sales now officially dead ??!!!
 

I heard whispers through various media that cross sales are now officially dead, that VISA wanted them gone for good... has that become reality or are companies still using them ???

What will that mean for the big players who earn millions off of them ? So I take it if companies cant load their join pages with cross sales the crazy PPS offerings will also dwindle down ?

go revs go!

They aren't dead... Visa has always had a policy that you couldn't share credit card numbers with different companies without the peoples consent. All they did was remind us of that and told everyone how to do it correctly.

No, nothing changed.

Hmmm...
 

I was told they had now officially banned them ! Apparerlently one or two news sources are running the story... such as xbiz... maybe I should try and find a link :(

wasnt the stipulation that the person signing up would have to fill out a separate form for the xsell? that would still allow xsales across the board but would require a new popup or something in the join process for them to fill out.. who wants to fill out their info twice?! 80% loss in xsale revenue right there. Knock knock knockin on deaths door.

Xbiz
 

http://www.xbiz.com/news/news_piece....&q=cross+sales

Am I reading that wrong ?

No 3rd party x-sales, companies can still x-sale themselves or inside the same IPSP.

What he said!

What they said :)

Interesing....
 

I dont get how this hasnt blown up on the board already... but news !

yeah sounds like you can only do internal cross sales... unless you pop a new sign up form up to make it clear it's a different merchant... as someone said ! Here is a quote from what Visa released on tuesday...

Quote "Visa's rules already prohibit merchants from sharing a cardholder's account number and other Visa transaction information with any entity that is not directly involved in completing the transaction, preventing fraud, or as required by law. To address the data pass practice, merchants will now have to prompt consumers to re-enter their card information to accept a subsequent offer from a third-party merchant. This provides a clear signal to cardholders that a second purchase is being initiated and protects them from questionable marketing practices." End Quote

You're 2 day's late....

it/965578-xbiz-news-visa-clamp-cross-sales.html

you can still cross sale to yourself

if you need a simple solution....setup another site or two you want to cross sale to

you can use our cms and content feed to populate an entire members area...they will never tire of the content as its updated daily.

and wollah...you now have a separate members area you can cross sale to..without worry that they will think they are in the same site twice :)

3rd party processors can still do normal xsales, as they always could... like epoch, ccbill, etc.. With your own merchant account, you can xsale yourself or give them a warning.

I expect we will see a new term on join forms that says they're sharing the info with other people and use one form as the method to verify rather than passing it on the hidden side - which is what the new ruling is really about.

Also...
 

It also seems there is some confusing where this ruling applies... if I am readign it right this is VISA Inc... as in the US Area of Visa... not VISA Global... so does this mean if you have VISA outside of North America, and hold your merchant accounts lets say in the EU then to date it doesnt effect you ???

Do you have homemade content within your feeds? Not only DVD content, but other content also.

we have alot of content...all kinds

weird insertion stuff

homemade videos...tons of them....and i mean alot...exgf stuff etc etc

so...while it is dvd....you dont have to display it that way

you can display it like a tube site...with just the scenes..embedded right into your page...and it will just open in the page and play

it doesnt have to look like dvd content...display just the scenes...and add a description as well....totally customizable

May be hitting you up in the next few days Phoenix

Commission
 

I better be on Commission Pheonx... seems you getting some nice sales :)

I love the term BROgrams lol... I never seen it before LOL...

So who are the BROgrams that are going to be hurt the most then, who are the big playerswho were making their money from the dreaded cross sales !

And also as I said it appears it doesnt effect VISA's other regions, this looks like a VISA INC policy, so only the USA/North America... not GLOBAL ?!

sounds good...we have a few templates you could use

with a few clicks you could be setup

would you settle for the bro discount...lol

Guys looking to make some sites quickly should get in touch with one of us here at Member Channels and we can show you how to set up a members area fairly quickly.

Lol...
 

Who you calling a BRO :winkwink: oh sigh only if I was, I would be so RICH ! :1orglaugh

Does this mean no one will sponsor the ice cream at The Phoenix Forum next year lol... :( Damn I love free ice cream too...

(* disclaimer, I would like to clarify I am not insinuating any previous sponsor of the ice cream at Phoenix Forum is a Bro or someone who as made their money from cross sales !)

So if I was a wise man I would be investing in traffic companies and content companies lol... long live the internal cross sale lol

Oh Yes...
 

Why we're talking content, every one should check out my mate at www.TrashyContent.com email him [email protected] he'll set you up with soem amazing content for your very own internall crosses lol... got to love this business... tell him Steve sent you and he'll give you a good discount :pimp

Here is the Visa Link.

http://corporate.visa.com/media-cent.../press1011.jsp

The key word there is other. :winkwink:

Any plans to shoot more Sasha and Natalie content?

If you are cross selling all inside of one company, are you still allowed to have separate cancel pages? A big part of the cross selling was the inability to cancel all the different merchants which caused the trials to convert to fulls.

A program will have hard time explaining why it's so hard to cancel different sites that are all owned by the same company and under the same merchant account.

But I think Visa was getting heat from the FTC and they made this announcement to appease the FTC, not to protect consumers. I'd assume Visa makes money from this cross selling, if they were losing money, they would just stop it outright.

i think not yet, it is on the end, but not yet

They're not dead. They were just made a little bit more safe for the consumer.

Cool, I will hit you up soon. :)

Wrong...
 

To be fair the % of money VISA makes from Porn is negligable to the big picture... I heard they wouldnt really give a shit if they dropped it completly ! But who knows...

Hey Andreej, me and you were talking awhile back. To get things done faster hit me up. Brad is too busy with wife, kid and golf these days ;)

I've heard that too, but if it were true then Visa would drop adult, they have no responsibility to the adult community to continue processing just as a favor to all of us. Obviously it makes them enough money for it to be worth it.

I think Visa says that as a negotiating tactic. The same way when you go to buy a car, you never say you love it. You say it's nice, but not really what you are looking for.

If people think that what businesses say and what businesses really think are the same thing, they need more experience dealing with real business.

So...
 

Is it...

Option A : You cant do external cross sales at all period...

or

Option B : You can do external cross sales, but they must be on a serperate join page where the surfer as to re add his details ?

And one we havent answered yet... is this just US accounts ? As I have said it appears this is a VISA INC ruling, not VISA GLOBAL ???

Yeah
 

I need to get out more :Oh crap

That's no longer a x-sell. That's just an advertisement or upsell.

That's why I said they were just feeling heat and put out this lip service

Read that last line. That's what you say when you've forced someone to do something.

lol. I didn't mean you. For me personally, I've rarely read a corporate PR release that turned out to be 100% truth.

Lol...
 

Only playing :) I didnt take it personally, even though it was probably a fair comment lol...

So what are these BROgrams going to do now then, if that was the way they made their millions !!! just create a load of new programs and do internal cross sales ?

they all have been doing internal cross sales this whole time

Just a quick scan of the top ten 'Brograms' and their stated revenues gets you to a giant chunk of change pretty quick. As a percentage Adult may be tiny but I don't think so - I think Adult actually accounts for a lot of Visa's business. Anyone have exact numbers ('exact' being relative) on what Visa processes vis a vis Adult?

(Heh - 'vis a vis' - Visa.)

Hmmmm...
 

Your in for a surprise me thinks... I remember some one posting it before and Adult accounted for about 2% of VISA's transactions... imagine everything else that VISA is used for the millions of daily transactions across the world... if anything PORN as become more of a luxury purchase... where as every one from filling their car up, buying groceries, clothes, travel, ect ect... seriously it isnt a big %...

Why Visa stay in who knows... maybe money is money, the argument if they were that worried about their brand they would dump us makes sense... who knows...

So...
 

So if the BROgrams knew this was coming, surely they did things to prepare for it ?

Now it's happened what does that mean for paying people out... ??? Now they lost their golden egg, sure that will have a knock on effect !

How many of them are going to come up with excuses not to payout ? Anyone had any problems so far... seem's the good old "We Got Problems With Our Bank" seems to be going around a lot, coincidence ?

:thumbsup finally to good old times

The word BROgram is so skewed today.... It's not really programs that do business together through cross sales that nobody has a clue about.

It's about "Bro's" which own programs that screw us all and buy us drinks at the bar like nothing happened, the bro's are those that stand up for them too - simply because they hung out together and it's programs that stand up for each other when one is clearly wrong.

Programs that really know the xsale game got a huge shake up just a short bit ago with a couple of banks fell through, several people got left high and dry on rebills.... anyone that was doing anything outside of 3rd party's - knew this was coming.

Hmmmm
 

Not feeling this... as someone pointed out, you can only cut a certain level of Rev, the way most are chopped up already it leaves the program owner very little...

Here's a moment of contriversy for you all... in the real world surely the relationship between affiliate and site owner is symbionic ? both rely on the other... yet I guess due to all the crazy PPS schemes the affiliates seem to feel like it should be edged towards them !

Without the paysite to promote how would they make money, sure they would say well plenty of other sites to promote... maybe the power is with them lol... but if a paysite cant make money then they would exist... well not the genuine ones anyways !

So I dont see this pushing Rev Share payouts up...

The industry is going to get a major slash-back from all those crazy cross sales. Mark my words.