The Lack of Honesty in the Adult Field
 

My thesis is that there are two sorts of people in the adult area: real business people who are honest and hard-working and guys who might otherwise be a drug dealer or burglar who are totally untrustworthy and always looking for the short-cut to success.

Recently, I've been experimenting with TGP galleries and in checking on my galleries I've been visiting a lot of TGP's and here is what I run into:

1) blind links galore

You click on an item in what appears to be a list of galleries, only to be taken to another TGP or the splash page of a website, OR you click on a thumbnail hoping to see a larger version of the pic and once again, you're off to another TGP or splash page.

2) links to illegal or troublesome content

Often, these links are also blind. Before you know it, you're looking at CP, scat, or fisting. My eraser program has been running overtime lately. I know from my own work that you can find a 19 year old who looks 15, but when a kid looks 8 or 5...I think we can rule out the "looks young for his/her age" theory.

While this has nothing directly to do with the credit card difficulties the industry has found itself experiencing, I'm sure this same sort of ethical laxity on the part of some has everything to do with the problems the rest of us are experiencing.

I'm sure there are TGP's where you won't find these problems. Can you name any?

Thats true in any business though

I wrote a article about a year ago on AWI regarding blindlinking and popups being the future death of comercial income on the net - but thay all laughed at be and said CJ was the place to go.

I still belive it would be the death og the internet if it dont get controlled.


Think about it:
If blindlinking was converted over to another place, like phonebooks.
You want to call "uncle Bob" but forgot the phonenumber.
You go to some whitepage.com and find his name, and dail the number. But instead of "uncle Bob" you got some mexican phonesex line - Its the same damm thing.

The Hun is the only TGP I'll surf.

" You click on an item in what appears to be a list of galleries, only to be taken to another TGP or the splash page of a website, OR you click on a thumbnail hoping to see a larger version of the pick and once again, you're off to another TGP or splash page."

... yes, it is bad ... but don´t blame it on the webmasters, blame it on those fucking hosting companies ... those bastards really want money for bandwith !!

too much free porn...

"But instead of "uncle Bob" you got some mexican phonesex line - Its the same damm thing."

... I kinda like that idea !!

Reputation is all you have! Don't fuck it up!

As someone who's bought and sold more blindlinks and popups than anyone else on the net, I'll tell you your wrong. :)

...it would be pretty fucking stupid if you agreed with me, wouldent it? Micropayment is the future - in 2-3 years it will be bigger than anything else

I hate agreeing with this piss-ant wannabe - but you need to choose where you're you're going a bit better.

nextgallery is one of the sites I trade with and they are absolutely spot on with their links - the sites I trade with are sites I used to surf - if you're having any trouble ask!

(poacher turned gamekeeper :winkwink: )

..uuhh :uhoh -- thanks I guess

Spunky, you use a CJ script like everyone else. :eek7

:thumbsup

Fuck no - please tell me I'm not trading with you....!!!!!!!!!!!!

you are - dont you know who i am? - after this time

okies - I'm a slut who doesn't pay attention to who's reaming me.... :winkwink:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JackFoley
Spunky, you use a CJ script like everyone else. :eek7 [/QUOTE
I dont really consider Traffic Manager 3 or any decent script a "CJ" script.Trading traffic is probably as old as Adult Sites. Its the sites you trade with that could be considered Circle Jerk.No Galleries and all trades going to another site and going in one big cicle..leaving the surfer even more pissed off cause he see's nothing but other trading partners.It all depends what you set your ratio for galleries...You have to give traffic in order to receive it

Slips on Blinders..and pulls down pants :)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I agree that its wrong to send users to illegal content but as far as blind links go and if you are treating this as a business rather than a charitable free porn to the masses deal, when a user does not buy anything on your free site within 3-5 clicks, he is not going to and you better get him the fuck off your site and send him to a trading partner in the hopes he has something the user might buy or just sit there and piss off your money to give away free porn.

I run real clean tgp sites and I get a lot of book markers every day but I could actually care less about the book markers cuz to me they are just a bunch of fucking freeloaders who book marked my site to get free porn, few of them are potential revenue streams to me so I have no problem blind liking them off my site after a few clicks

Maybe I'm way off on this but it just seems like common sense to me

[QUOTE]Originally posted by spunky1

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Originally posted by JackFoley Spunky, you use a CJ script like everyone else. :eek7 [/QUOTE I dont really consider Traffic Manager 3 or any decent script a "CJ" script.Trading traffic is probably as old as Adult Sites. Its the sites you trade with that could be considered Circle Jerk.No Galleries and all trades going to another site and going in one big cicle..leaving the surfer even more pissed off cause he see's nothing but other trading partners.It all depends what you set your ratio for galleries...You have to give traffic in order to receive it

If a link isn't what it appears to be, the person who put the link up is dishonest. If he calls it traffic trading, okay then there are dishonest ways of generating traffic. It reflects on us all.

I agree with you 100% ..

And if it takes tricking them off your site, that's the solution the second type of person I mentioned would choose. You've made your choice!

I love it when a TGP'er complains about freeloaders, since you guys pretty much created and spoiled the freeloaders into believing that everything can be gotten for free!

this is why content providers should stick to being conetnt providers and program owners should stick to being program owners......

So what are you suggesting just placing hardlinks and hoping the surfer will click on them? I have descriptions of galleries ,and they will get that gallery 60% of the time.If I waited for the bookmarkers to finish jerking off, I would have no traffic at all.You can call it dishonest, I call it a way to do business with a TGP...I have way too much free shit on there already..so fuck em if they have to bear with the inconvienance of going to a few trades

Agreed - I have one blind link on (all of) my sites that go to trades - every link takes the surfer to what they clicked on.
Result? Good productivity but next to piss all trafffic.

As this is a numbers game, I find it diificult not to play the trading game rather than to send all my traffic elsewhere, but my trades (please not Cohen) get a surfer who has chosen to go to their site.

And I love it when when people praise The Hun as one of the few great porn sites when the truth is The Hun has raised free porn to such a level of quality that there is really little reason for the average user to ever buy into a pay site since he can get it all for free.

I agree with you 100% on the cp and scat crap but as far as preaching about how everyone should be more honest and not use blind links and give the users a better online experience on a free porn site, I disagree, if everyone followed your advice, there would eventually be no need for paysites. If you run a paysite, you should be glad that a lot of tgp's suck, its what motivates a lot of users to purchase a membership to a paysite

Not sure how on one hand you can say tgp sites should treat the users better and on the other hand say we spoiled the users to begin with by giving away free porn

I think he has a point here. If the TGP site world is too good, why should the surfer ever feel the need to pay?

But this is a new side of the porn industry and still the entry level ($$) allows the Carpetbaggers to get in for a quick kill. Add to that all the new surfers and you have a recipe for snake oil salesmen to make a quick buck.

But the market will steady and mature. The sites offering the right thrill at the right price and consistently delivering it will survive and prosper. Some will be ex carpetbaggers and pirates, some will be those in for the long haul.

Amen Lance ! :thumbsup

Well, maybe I'm suggesting that there are more honest ways to make a buck than with a TGP, if the only way to operate TGP is dishonestly.

In fact, I think I feel a tautology comin' on!

I didn't say they should treat users better. I was suggesting that TGP's are run dishonestly. Not the same thing at all. (Treating the users better isn't the only solution: getting into a more honest way of making a living than running a TGP is one of the other ones.)

Have you tried http://pornojpg.com/tgp/main.html - the guy who runs it is [email protected] and you can ask him how to use it best.

Yup hes one of my more productive trades :)..highly recommend him

But funny thing is Unseen, if I might play Devil's Advocate here for just one second ...

TGP traffic is traded by blindlinking a percentage of your links ... TGP traffic is where the very program owners that buy your pics get the vast majority of their signups from ...

If they are not getting traffic, they are not getting signups, and without signups, they cannot afford to buy your pics ...

Before you go off on an ANTI-TGP tangent ... think a moment about how it could affect YOUR business ...

Like it of not ... TGP is a vital part of the adult internet food chain.
Sure some TGP owners are a little more "deviant" than others, but the same can be said for content providers too, correct ??
- or any other group of individuals for that matter.

If we are going to make the generalizations that ALL TGP owners are crooks, then lets not stop there, we might as well say that ALL black men are theives or rap artists ... that ALL muslims are terrorists ... all us Greeks like fucking in the ass, (well, okay ... you can have that one :winkwink: ..), but you see what I am saying here ?!?

Yes, Asianthumbs.org is a VERY clean thumb site. I have never beel blindlinked to there. Every link is what it says it is in my experience.

I agree that when you click on something that says:

15 blonde teen

you better be taken to a thumb page that has 15 pics of some blonde bitch. Not some other TGP. I hate that shit. If I want to go to another TGP I will fucking do it on my own.

I actually get a kick outta sexape.com - that site is so full of shit its funny. Sure, most of the links are good. But they fucking lie like rat bastards. He says "every link is what I say it is" - he is so full of shit I bet if he sits down he will drown in shit. If you make the claim you should back it up.

I understand 'traffic trades' and all that shit, but there is no need to lie - this just pisses people off more than anything. If you want to trade trafic put something like

XX Sex Thumbs

Just do not fucking lie, just make you look like a little turd. :321GFY

Ok.. What kind of site do you run?..AVS,Paysite or something else? Yup I realize the fact TGP's arent the best way to go but traffic is traffic...And until we all find the ultimate site/way to make huge money like the big boys we try our best.
Free Porn For The People...Empty Pockets For The Webmaster :(

blind links to other tgp's is how a lot of sites now build traffic. if you don't have a big site to feed traffic into your new tgp, you'll need blind links to help grow your site.

seems like a lot of people who ran cj sites switched over to tgp sites, but kept the cj concept of blind links.

skimming hits from galleries to trades is more like sending them to a fpa instead of to the content first. can't give away all that free content for free and let surfers just run through all your galleries.

now that's entertainment!

:glugglug

I think most people outside of the TGP arena are oblivious to the actual clout that TGP has in this industry ... alot more traffic comes from TGPs than searchengines .... and look at Sir SleazyDream ... how many Big Macs you think he's got invested in that gut ??? He's blinging like a muthafucker !!!

Anybody who is anti-TGP, should take a course in macro-economics ...

Just my :2 cents:

Yup, mine.

No popups, no scripts and no blind links. Although the little thumbs I use as banners don't always have a lot to do with the destination, the text links are honest and every thumb has an honest alt tag description of where the link goes. And the status line shows the actual target url.

Honesty is good business. My surfers come back. This means if I fail to sell them something today, I can improve my advertising or my sponsors and try again tomorrow. Bandwidth being dirt cheap, I can afford to let a "freeloader" come back a lot of times, if that gives me the chance to eventually sell him something.

My traffic is not big, but it's damn loyal, and it's growing every day.

The internet rolls along on smoke and mirrors, lots of bullshit out there, its not just this industry, amazon when they charged different prices depending on a users geographic location, ebay for not disclosing to newbies that they have a good chance of getting ripped off due to all the fraud on their system, pay porn sites that promise the world on the tour and then delver shit inside, etc, etc but pointing your finger at the tgp sites considering the scale of things is like bitching at the shopping mall santa claus for not delivering the toys your kids asked him for

I dont run any popups on my tgp and I only run 1 banner ad and I make money but I would never dump my trading script because I would like to continue to make money off my tgp

I think your wrong.

Unless the photographer truly understands the niche he or she is shooting for, it's worthless. And program owners shouldn't be putting up sites in Niches they don't understand.

Cheerleaders is always my favorite example. I laugh every time I see a twenty five year old cheerleader in a plastic skirt. This is content shot by someone who doesn't understand the niche.

What you basically have in the adult industry is content providers who don't understand the niche, and then program owners who use this content to make websites they don't understand.

What you really need is a program owner who truly understands a certain fetish and can produce the "right" content.

The issue isn't just dishonesty, but the fact that some guys are so shameless about it that they forget they are thieves.

Take the recent Eru thing for example. The guy is posting pics of home and car probably obtained with cash from his sites. No wonder someone eventually jumped on him. And curiously enough there was no stink about the guys who really bling from the same stolen content...It's like once your over a certain $$ level you are excused from your crimes.

As far as misleading the surfer through CJ, well that barely registers on the dishonesty scale.

Anyways it's the programs themselves that sustain it. If you get $50 per signup and are not worried about the rebills you will CJ and mislead the crap out of your surfer to make the sale with your sponsor.

Eventually that sort of low quality will just come back to haunt you. High quality and honesty sells and retains.

if the paysite is quality it will retain members no matter where the traffic came from. the problem with this industry is low quality paysites and not sites with thousands of free pics and movies skimming traffic to other tgp's

i totally disagree with you there. you should treat your bookmarkers like GOLD! they are the ones who've been around the block and know what's the real deal. no newbie will buy porn once they find a TGP.. wtf should they when there's so much for free? but the bookmarkers will eventually realize there's so much crap galleries and they want MORE than a TGP can give them, ie.. full length movies, live feeds, specific niche content etc..

You can't base an ethic on matching the lowest common denominator. "Hey, everybody else is doin' it" is the ethic of someone without any personal standards.

This is what so many don't understand: The real key to making money AND protecting the industry is quality of product. Our industry's rep for fleecing the public is hurting us. And the excuse given is so frequently, "Well, everybody else is doing it." Actually, it's NOT true that EVERYBODY else is doing it. Businesses that are not doing too well do it. (I think Amazon was mentioned? Have they actually made a profit yet?)