those stinking republican pro life congressmen are going to kill healthcare reform!
 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6265760.shtml

unfucking believable!







oh wait, they're democrats:1orglaugh

There are a lot of pro-life Democrats.

I am a progressive liberal

We can all only hope and pray that Obama just signs the bill and forces it into law.

thats what I'm hoping for!

Hahaha love the sarcasm 12clicks.

Whats the new bill is this still the one that forces people to take the health care or risk jail time?

Yes, and death panels to kill old people.

I'm shocked that anyone would be surprised that Blue Dog Democrats would do such a thing.

There are at least 40 Democrats that are anti-choice and therefore against personal freedom.

12clicks has a crush on Blue Dog Dems...

Yes keep believing the Democrats have all of your interests in mind.

Gotta love a plan where the government forces you to purchase something. Can't wait to find out what they have planned for us next!

the people hailing obamacare are the same idiots who bought into his "change we need" and "we'll make the rich pay for it" bullshit

I know! God forbid the government make us purchase something! What's next?! Making us by car insurance to protect ourselves and others?! :1orglaugh

What are the people that just want REAL insurance reform (elimination of pre-existing condition denials for coverage, removal of caps for truly medically necessary procedures [the real death panels], against pharmaceutical companies playing by rules most others can't, etc.)? They seem to be lumped into the Obamacare crowd.

They also voted for "change" because the alternative was McCain/Palin.

I was not aware that everyone had to buy car insurance...that is news to me. I thought you only had to buy it if you decided to buy a car and drive.....thus making it OPTIONAL.

PS. My mother in law does not have car insurance...I will let her know ASAP that she needs to get it!

No worries though, your mother in law needs a job before she has to pay for health insurance or buy a car.

So who will pay for it in the meantime?

i've agreed to fund it for the first 30 days... :thumbsup








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We all will, just like we all already do.. we pay through insurance (personal & business) and we all pay through our taxes to cover people at extreme inflated prices.

There's plenty of ways to leave the country if you're afraid of progress. Bye.

It's not progress...it's unconstitutional...the government cannot force you to buy anything....period.

The government forces you to pay income taxes. They force you to pay school taxes, they force you to pay all kinds of shit you could name yourself if you tried.

Yes, that is a true definition of democracy if I've ever seen one. :thumbsup

Majority rules. What a concept.

If you knew anything about the constitution, you would know that the government has the right to levy taxes.

http://supreme.justia.com/constituti...and-spend.html

It does not have the right to force you to buy health insurance.

I love how people confuse taxes, and car insurance with a universal mandatory payment for health care....amazing how confused people are with basic constitutional principles.

Being that the people 'we' hired aren't able to agree on things - democracy is failing. But when the mass majority of people want something done, the idea the republic takes over.

Him singing that into law, would be doing what the mass majority want.

Majority rules is a democracy....we do not live in a democracy....we live in a republic. :thumbsup

It's forcing you to buy to the media, this would be another tax. Like SS tax, which you're forced to pay even if you don't want to use it.

Yeah... because everyone knows how "pro porn" Republicans are... right? :1orglaugh

Amazing how that has changed in the last fourty years..

Well you seem to be in a place you really dont want to be. I've always felt the best idea is a public option paid for by a health tax. Maybe you agree that is the best way to go.

No, they'd actually be those who are in my crowd (minus the dopey statement on pharmaceuticals)
and we didn't vote for obama because we knew better all along.

The majority doesn't want the obama plan.
It's about time you realized that.

Majority? last I saw it was about 50/50, one day more than the other... but 80% or so still want some type of universal health coverage. Without question, the majority want something like this.

The majority think that these nutty republicans saying "no" to everything are making themselves irrelevant.

Europeans Billing Europe!
 

Actually, the majority want to see REAL insurance/health care reform.
The majority DO NOT WANT this bill signed into law.:warning

so you are saying that the problem is the president?

you don't think congress is the bigger problem?






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Thats just something that republican leaders are asserting. Not only do the majority want it, they elected Obama strongly based on it, they consistently poll that they want the ideas in the bill. Even republicans who proposed some ideas now in the bill supported it..... until they realised it was going to pass. Now they are just mad that they didnt get their payola because they decided on a plan of saying "no" too soon. Wah. Get over it.

This is real insurance, it's not fake... this is health care reform, it has to start some place. Waiting for it to be perfect, will never happen.

50/50 is not a majority... half the people want 'any' law that provides healthcare, the other 30% that make up the 80% of the majority, want reform.

No, actually it's nuts like you who think that and the next election cycle will prove that.
Go look at NJ. The newly elected REPUBLICAN governor of one of the most liberal states in the nation ran on a slash spending plateform.
Talk is cheap, the election results prove your talk wrong

Please post the most recent polls regarding who wants what

If what you say is true then how would you define the Scott Brown win in Mass. He ran as vote #41 to block it.

I dont understand this bill... noone does.. noones read it... I'm thinking the pharma companies are behind it more than anything. How can you push for something you havn't read???? Also is it still mandatory that you have insurance or get fined by the government??? this doesn't make sense to me.

Obamacare is just another massive theft in a long series. It shows how out of touch Washington is with our constitution.

How do you add 30 million deadbeats and "save costs?" Obamacare will break us.

I'm not interested in being baited into discussing some senator or governor.

Health reform bill is passing, so you'll just have to get over it. If the time comes when they make it mandatory to participate in the health of your nations people, you'll be able to choose to buy insurance, or pay the fine. It'll still be a choice, like jaywalking. Plenty of people choose to jay walk, but it's against the law.

"The national telephone survey, which was conducted from June 12 to 16, found that 72 percent of those questioned supported a government-administered insurance plan — something like Medicare for those under 65 — that would compete for customers with private insurers. Twenty percent said they were opposed."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/he...cy/21poll.html

End of the day, people can twist the poll wording how they want to create any outcome. But straight up asked, Americans do they want something like this - without question the majority want it.

I will be surprised to see anything good come out of this period.

Other than it being unconstitutional (that pesky little document that is supposed to keep gov in check) I think it all comes down to one decision. Do you want the federal government dictating to you what you must buy...who you must buy it from...and fine you if you do not. I say no...others I am sure will love being told what to buy and where to buy it. All comes down to your beliefs in who should make decisions in your life...you or your government.

Once you open up this Pandora's box...it will be only the beginning of them making decisions for you.

http://www.therightscoop.com/wp-cont...am_control.jpg

They already control everything... from hospitals, travel, safety, cars, fuels, stocks, business, list is hellish long.

This is the result of, a gov by the people for the people. It's not unconstitutional when the majority want/need it, even more so when it's us people putting them in control of everything.