Dumping all commision split sponsors 2010
 

I do find the better content on commision split sponsors but if they cant hold a customer, fuck them. Seems like sponsors are having a tough time keeping members even from search engine trafffic.

Sponsors, cross sell the shit out of the paying customer to bring up the average lifetime value and pass along the profits in a PPS program.

yeah, i gotta say i tried revshare for the first time in a long time on a non ccbill program. so far zero rebills. makes me wonder what the members area really looks like.

I don't have problems whit rebills.

Fact is that I don't make lot of sales but revs working better then pps

Some programs do very well on rebills, some do better as a one off impulse buy commission.

I have 45 rebills on a program I haven't really touched this month, and it's on my radar next year for sure. Each punter is worth a few hundred $ per year.

It's harder for a lot of sites to retain these days thanks in large part to piracy.

A person joins a site, then brags to their buddies about it. Their buddies laugh at them and then show them that same site available 100% free and linked up on surfer forums for easy access. Person then cancels.

That's why I protect our stuff and worked hard to try and keep it as exclusive as I can in my members area. I had to. And my advice to affiliates looking to promote a program is to first start googling up the sites and models appearing on the sites you are looking to promote.

If you find the entire members area ripped and available for free everywhere...then you are going to play hell selling it and having it retain.

And the big generic sites using those same couple of dozen girls out of L.A. over and over? Forget about it. My sales and rebills with those sites have all but disappeared. Those girls are available for free EVERYWHERE. I can't sell a scene with Puma Swede or Sara Jay or ~insert girl who shoots for every company here~ because there are hundreds of full scenes with those girls on every illegit tube and bit torrent site in the world.

Nice post Robbie.


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I still use a few revshare programs because that is all they offer, but I would say I am about 85% pay per signup now. I did a few tests with my traffic a while back and found out that I basically end up making the same whether it is revshare or pay per signup. The difference was I have to wait to get paid over a number of months with revshare so I just switched.

No problems with rebills? Bump up that PPS!! My days of believing in commision splits are over.

Are you sure?

This message is hidden because Robbie is on your ignore list.

I respect you L-P, but seriously, hair transplant guy showed his true colours in the Shoehorn thread.

Robbie's post is nice but just $25 PPS when the surfer is putting out $10 I'm not get excited about.

Revshare is what has been keeping me alive for the last year.
If it's nopt working for you, change the sponsor.
Damn, I think I'm having an epileptic seizure now..... damn advertisment!

And this guy cunningstunt showed his knowledge in it as well. Typical clown.

What do you mean?

If you're talking about our program: If an affiliate uses their 25PPS links they never get that $10 5 day option at all. I wish all my affilliates would use the PPS option...CM has people rebilling from the first day we opened the doors in May of 2007. :)

But no, I don't pay out 25 bucks on a $10 sale. I leave that to the guys who are monetizing join ups in more ways than one.

How well they hold the customer depends on how good the quality of the site is.

If you want to make money with revshare you have to promote niche sites or sites with a high amount of regular updates and a ton of content... :2 cents: Don't expect solo girl sites to rebill for months... it isn't going to happen most of the time. A mistake I see alot of people make is that they consider the amount they make per sale over the amount they make per unique they send to the program. Some of the sponsors I promote make me over 6 cents per unique and I only promote revshare. I avoid promoting 99% of these gfy PPS programs. :2 cents: btw... I am not sending SE traffic... I am talking about skim TGP traffic.

It won't happen for the solo girl sites that are mostly softcore and girl/girl scenes for sure. But the solo girls that interact with and create FANS do rebill for months and months and even years.

Now on the other hand, the solo girls who prance around in their underwear and pose all "sexy" on their personal sites...meanwhile shooting for every company in L.A. and doing hardcore for those sites: well that really sucks. And their own site suffers because of it and doesn't rebill once a person joins and sees he's getting a lot less than he expected.

I've never understood why girls do that. It's like they do everything for other people's business but when it comes to their own site they suddenly get all conservative. :(

Anyway, a real solo girl site (and by that I mean a true hands on interactive site where the girl gives 100% to her members) WILL out-rebill any other paysite out there. It's the difference between having real fans and just disinterested members. Anybody can find all the free porn they want these days. But the only paysite that can do things that can't be stolen are solo girl sites. You can't email a big generic site and talk to the girl. You can't talk to her on live nude/sex webcam either. In other words...only a good solo girl site is capable of developing a relationship with the members.

And that makes them less likely to cancel. Hell, when a member cancels from CM...half the time they write me at support and apologize and promise to come back when their finances are good. lol Now that is devotion.

Bad rebills?

Do you guys check the members areas for what you sell? You should know the content and how the site updates. Even if it's PPS you should see what your surfer sees. Unless you don't care about repeat customers.


I hear all the time from affiliates we have the best rebilling sites in our niches.

The rev. share model works for a very limited amount of sites such as dating, proper solo girl where the girl builds a relationship with customer &cams etc.

We promote mostly pps for regular porn sites as we want our money upfront.

Exactly...

Our program is revshare so there is my bias out front.
I have made my living and a pretty good one of off rev share programs for ten years and lived of rebills in the lean times.
There is still lots of rebills to be had but you need to keep the surfer interested.
We offer over 20 plus sites with full access for one price, at least 60 updates a week and a new site coming online and added at the rate of at east one a month.
We use elevated x and the members can see what is coming a month ahead or more, plus the blog gives them previews and dates of the next round of sites.
It still can be done and revshare is still a model that makes people that look at the long haul a healthy living with the right sites.
Anyways that is just my opinion on the matter and for what its worth it as paid all my bills in good times and bad since 2000.
Sorry to hear about your lack of success with them but it really depends on what those sites offer these days and even then rebills are hard to come by.

I can think of another scenario - a surfer who isn't quite down with the whole BBS/torrent/tube pirate thing, but who is smart enough to figure out that signing up and immediately cancelling will allow them to download the past 5 years of updates for later perusal...

Then a few months later they sign up again to catch more updates.

If you're able to do any sort of account matching, see if the same name signs up multiple times.

:pimp:pimp

pps seems to be the way to go these days - from an affiliate point of view.

especially on those high pps days.

revshare died when the economy tanked. that you make more on revshare might have been true in 2006, not anymore.

His points are all valid, so you must be trolling with that post since you have no idea what he has said.

Do you feel like more of a man by posting that you've got him on ignore?

When I use the term "solo girl" I am not thinking of women who fit into a completely different niche. Noone thinks of Claudia Marie as a solo girl. If you look at average solo girl site it's full of fake teeny boppers with 25 updates in their members areas. I can list 20 or so off the top of my head. This was the point I was getting at.

For the record... I think Claudia Marie is a niche site as I described above.

In a perfect world the affiliate would keep getting PPS from that customer :evil-laug

today its still the same % of surfers who forget to cancel a membership...

billions of credit lines have been cut and cards canceled tho.

even if they forget to cancel, the rebill will stop when the credit gets cut.

with some rev share programs i am at a third of pre-recession rebills.

yes, thats why initial sales are lower, too...but if rebills were that bad, companies couldn't afford PPS...at least those who don't "hide" 2 xsales on their join pages

It happens when girls are overly steeped in a sort of model/performer culture. Talent nobody believes in enough to back on a site will start talking in a girl's ear once she gets a site. They tell her that it is one thing to do whatever for someone whose paying but that she should be "classy" or some nonsense like that on a site which is all about her. Even though, if the girl could do math, she probably is making waaaaaaaaay more from a site where she is the star.

Plus a lot of talent has rights to use unmarketable shots of themselves prancing around in their underwear because folks who shoot that probably can't give them even a teensy paycheck.

I do know a few girls, however, who acted like "spread" shots were against their personal moral something or other and started getting way more naked and explicit, as soon as it was their site at risk of making less dough. Which I think is kinda cheating the people who respected their misrepresented limits and worked with talent which was building up resources and star capital with only a financial issue about nudity levels and not a personal moral or emotional or whatever at all.

Are there any revshare programs where you get close to 100% of the 1st month and then split 50/50 or so each month the member stays after that?

Just FYI to the OP, to a ccbill affiliate "commission split" would mean that a program is splitting ccbill's processing commission with the affiliate. I presume you meant revshare?

Yes, I meant revshare. Thanks for the help in making the point clear :error

Yeah, good rebilling programs is difficult to find now cause of all these torrents and tubes:(
That's why i pay more attention to webcam programs now. The members of them still rebill.

Words of Truth spoken here by Robbie. Next week guess what I'M doing??? Spending ALL DAY sending out DMCA's, contacting Hosts, doing whatever I can to get the stolen shit taken DOWN. That, and switching to Strongbox, dedicated servers, everything - and guess WHAT??? Will only help a little. But worth it.

Robbie: new AP launches Jan.15th. Also: will be 'taking inspiration' from how you protect Marie's site.

NOTE: Something that helps - a little - with rebills: convenience rebillers. If you can Update your site twice a week - once with video, once with photos - or bare minimum once a week, then you got a shot - a SHOT - at keeping the lazy members who, tho they could find your shit for free, prefer to just rebill and see the new stuff because they don't/won't have to wait that long for it.

My two cents.

I agree totally with the second part and to answer the first part:
(and this is why it's SO fucking hard to FIND what Robbie was describing in the second part of the above quote.)

Models - most of them - are "in it" for ONE thing, and ONE thing ONLY: $$$$. IMMEDIATE money. They cannot, and often will not, think more than a few days to a week ahead.

Say Studio X offers them $1200 to do a scene, or even $600. They grab it. That $ is their car payment, rent, makeup expenses, wardrobe expenses, a crack buy, whatever. The biggest check they got from their own site was, what, $472? Okay, well, here's a new picture set, a new video maybe, gotta run and make $4000 this week dancing/fucking/filming. I'll see ya in a month, or 7 - poof!

Long-term? What's that? It takes how long to earn a thousand a month? Three months? Six? Ten? Two? Fuck it - I'm filming with Studio X until they stop paying...

BUT if you CAN find "a real solo girl site" then it's Gold.

That's what I call the "stripper mentality"

I have sat down with many girls and tried to explain to them that there is far more money in doing their own site than they can make shooting for others. But they want that easy quick money. :(

A year later and CM has made another 7 figures. And the money keeps coming in everyday. I try to explain that to them. We're out drinking, or having dinner, or watching television, or sleeping...and the money keeps rolling. Meanwhile all those other girls are out of money. And they have to keep fucking and/or dancing to make more.

But most of them come from the stripping/escort side of adult and just can't wrap their head around getting naked and getting fucked and not being paid immediately for it. :(