Say goodbye to single payer option in health care reform
 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091216/..._care_overhaul

That's a victory for the United States of America. Hoorah


Also this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/12...y5987341.shtml

Let us thank the genius Obama Administration and the Federal Reserve. Thanks Guys!

No need to say goodbye to something that was never really going to happen in the first place.

Well this was my sentiments exactly but so many people I know thought that it was going to get passed.

Well mr new president what next? Business as usual, Bush with a tan.


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There will still be a form of a public option only it will come in the form of the government paying for a lot of people's insurance coverage. In a way I guess that is better since it would allow people to pick what company and coverage they want to go with, but I wonder if it will actually end up being cheaper in the long run. I think a lot of that has to do with what other reforms they actually pass. Will this end up actually being a health care reform, or just another way to throw money at health insurance companies?

And a swagger... Change, lol...

Oh man . . .

A victory? lmao Now what you have is nothing more than a insurance company bailout which is what it's been about the whole time. If you don't buy insurance you go to jail and/or fined. Insurance prices "may" go down for a year or two but they'll skyrocket before you know it. Government regulating you buy something from a private company or face penalties. What a damn joke. This is nothing more than a power grab by the government. The government is broke so they need to come up with a new way to take more of your money.. Along with adding new ways to kill you quicker. The only victory is if this thing goes away all together and the insurance companies (AIG) and the overgrown US government are allowed to fail.

Hey, no worries there, we have been here before.


Then they will raise it again.

Hoorah for the millions of Americans still not able to get basic health care coverage or currently getting bent by them, they deserve it for being lazy non-working poor bastards that can't get any or better insurance...

And if we have social health care, think of the illegal Canadians that will move here!


Remember, they corrected Bush's war books and correctly accounted for the trillions he spent on a war of lies. Once corrected we can all see more truths to his damage to our Country. But yeah, that damn Obama, correctly doing things, showing the truth, what a bastard!

Just in case you don't hear this enough in real life: You're a fucking idiot.

Ah one of those teabag guys, like nuts on your head, in the mouth, on your ass.. it's a gay movement man, wake up!

I know you people want America to fail but Black Jesus will save us!

goodbye to single payer option in health care reform

This administration has all the cards,the house,the senate and the executive branch. It's Obama's team that's letting him down.

True... but those people were voted in under Bush that let America down, they are part of the group that wants America to fail. If Obama would simply use the Patriot Act put in by Bush to over take America, he could assume authority and rid this Country of the filthy conservatives, pile of them in the fema prison camps setup under Bush, shift the insurance coverage to the rest of faithful Americans, and start rebuilding this great nation with true hope and change in mind!

Then you have to wonder why he doesn't do this...after all,he is the president.

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The white man......keeps cracking the whip, ie: the house, the senate and the executive branch.

If you are suggesting that President Obama is simply a puppet for the establishment, I would have to believe there are a lot of very disappointed Americans that cast their vote for the man.

Because the majority of people are fucking ratards. Oh by the way those majority you know will be BEGGING for single payer within 10-12 years.

Oh, I wouldn't suggest such a thing, that would go against Black Jesus and the grand plan of saving true Americans. Not putting me into a camp...

Wow ... just wow.

Shame those filthy conservatives pay most of the tax and operate a significant portion of your countries business.

Reminds me of what Mugabe did in Zimbabwae ... getting rid of all those evil whiteys so the land was returned to the people. That worked out well didn't it ;)

The whole thing about this health care reform that pisses me off is the cost and that they MANDATE AND REQUIRE people to purchase these plans.. Why the fuck should I have to pay 12.5K per year to cover my family when the insurance I have now only costs me $1500 a year

I'm wondering if you copied the first two sentences verbatim from one of today's article but no matter. A victory in that it will never pass.

Yup, this guy is a fucking idiot. Never knows what he's talking about. I wonder if anybody on this planet takes him seriously.

Gotta love the double standards. This country will never be rid of conservatives because we are the majority. We should have gotten rid of the liberals decades ago but failed. Now Obama is driving the liberals to extinction himself with his hilarious deficit spending not matched even by the Bush administration. I would show you the charts again but you'll bitch over the sources, only later to claim that you are purposely posting bullshit like a retard.

You're talking to the forum idiot. Pay no attention.

Realistically if you are only paying $1500 a year now, it will stay at or about that. The reason they are going to require insurance is the same reason you are required to have car insurance if you want to drive a car. If you have no insurance and something serious happens to you then the chances are you will have little or no way of paying for it. So you will get the care you need and the tax payers will pick up the bill. This forces you to get insurance so that you are covered. If you choose not to, they will fine you roughly the same amount as it would cost you to buy insurance.

What makes you think your premiums will jump from $1500 to 12.5K?

Actually, conservatives are not the majority. Nor are liberals. Moderates are. Both parties want you to believe they are the majority, but they only say that kind of stuff when they are in power. If conservatives really were the majority they would never lose elections. The same with liberals. The reality is about 20% of the country are hardcore conservatives and about 20% are hardcore liberals and the rest fall somewhere in the middle. That is why the independent vote is so sought after in elections and it is why they call the moderates the silent majority. They are the majority, they just don't make a lot of noise.

Who does / did?

If we look at the social issues in this country today, the majority of them are overwhelmingly to the right, while only a handful are either even or somewhat to the right. Show me an issue that is predominantly to the left.

Nixon actually coined the term (I believe), but it is pretty commonly referred to during elections. I once read an interview with Carl Rove where he talked about the general republican strategy he uses. He referred to independents as the silent majority several times, but said that his basic strategy was to pander to the base and ignite the culture war to fire up the hardcore conservatives then move just enough to the center to get some of the more right leaning independents and then hope for rain on election day. The idea being that the hardcore conservatives are passionate and organized and they will turn out on election day whereas the liberals might see it is raining and stay home and light up a bong. The lower the turn out the better the republican's chances of winning.

You would be surprised how untrue that is ( it is repeated tyo the point of coming an Urban Legend ... ).


..Warren Buffet /// Bill Gates .... and so on ...

But please, if it makes you feel good, believe in it...

As for the topic, I think it is great news ... no reasons why poor people would have the same healthcare as rich people .... :1orglaugh

Nixon is the one that made it popular and he sure wasn't talking about moderates. He was talking about the hard working, blue collar conservatives that were too busy working to put on a protest supporting his policy in Nam.

There are multiple issues that are predominantly supported by the left. I think that is a question that you did not mean to ask. Kane is correct when he says that the majority of people are moderates/centrists and have little use for the left or the right...specifically the far left and the far right. BTW...registered Democrats outnumber Republicans though the Republicans have been closing the gap over the past 20-30 years.

That doesn't mean that conservatives are the majority. It just means that those who consider themselves to be conservative are more active in appointing their agenda.

Social issues that are pretty liberal:
-Medical Marijuana. (many even say in 2010 we will see a measure on the ballot in California to fully legalize/decriminalize pot)

- Gay marriage.

- Health care reform. Let's not fool ourselves. The republicans have no interests in health care reform. They wouldn't even be talking about this matter if it weren't for the democrats. If the republicans held the senate and house there would be no health care reform bill.

Those are three pretty big topics in this country and they all stem from the left.

Here is something from Gallup
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/co...cal-group.aspx

While conservatives make up the single largest group in the country overall, they are not the majority. Only 40% of people (according to this poll) consider themselves conservative. That means that 60% do not.

If you scroll down you can see the detailed breakdown where we see moderates leading the detailed political ideology breakdown. You could argue that the conservative and very conservative groups together still equal 40% and that is more than the moderates, but I can assure you that there is a big difference between a more centrist conservative say like Guliani and very conservative right winger like Palin or Huckabee.

[QUOTE=kane;16654655]That doesn't mean that conservatives are the majority. It just means that those who consider themselves to be conservative are more active in appointing their agenda.

I'd say this is 50-50 at best.

Gay marriage most certainly is on the right side of the equation. That's not even considering the fact that 90% of the states don't allow it.

Correction, the Republicans have no interest in health care reform when our debt is unsustainable and is carried deeper by the Obama Administration. I'm all for fixing healthcare to a certain extent, after we are running some surpluses.

And no offense Kane because you seem intelligent, but I think you are grasping at straws here. I never said the conservatives constitute the majority. What I said was:

As I look around and read more about it, you are correct. It seems like he was talking about those who were not protesters and were more average working people, but the stuff I read doesn't say that they were all conservatives.

Here is something taken from Wikipedia about the silent majority.
"They did, in some cases, support the conservative policies of many politicians. Others were not particularly conservative politically, but resented what they saw as disrespect for American institutions."

I think the actual term has kind of morphed over the years and now is more about a group that makes up a majority of voters but does not widely express its views through marches or demonstrations than it is about support for one ideology or another.

Interesting. I have always believed conservatives tend to be more the business owners, the motivated etc. Its true here, infact as a multiple business owner I tend to side more with conservative ideals than with liberal ones, and the same is true amongst my peers.

I believe everyone should have access to free at least basic health care. Along with an education, a police/fire service etc i think its a basic human right that your government is supposed to supply everyone. You want top of the line care with no wait at all then you fork out money for insurance, but you know you can walk into any hospital and get seen to without having to worry about the $50,000 bill that will land in your letterbox a week later.

The problem with the US system is its so broken, and the health industry is so entrenched, I honestly don't see how you guys can fix it. My health insurance bill for my visit there next year is more than my plane tickets and accomodation cost.

Fuck wiki, I was there. Some things I don't need to look up. :upsidedow

Nixon was talking about conservatives. There were hippie liberals and red neck conservatives. Not too much in the middle ground.

[QUOTE=The Demon;16654666]I guess that one is open for debate. I know a good number of people who consider themselves to conservative and very few of them support medical pot. This is also an issue that was brought to the forefront by the left, not the right.


But the left brought it up. It is very much a liberal agenda. If there were no liberals, we would not be talking about this issue. Just because the right strongly opposes it, doesn't mean it is an exclusively conservative issue.


While I can't argue that the republicans are arguing right now that they are against this because of the deficit, they were also against it back when Clinton proposed it and we had a balanced budget and they would be against it if we had no national debt and a budget surplus.

You asked for issues that are predominately to the left and I gave you three of them. It might be your opinion that they are not, but these are issues that are the forefront of the nation right now and they were put there by liberals.

Also you said, "This country will never be rid of conservatives because we are the majority." That seems to me like you think that conservatives constitute the majority in this country.

I am curious though you say that most of the social issues in this country are from the right. I would love to see some examples.

Ok. I wasn't there and will admit I don't know a whole lot about its origin. I am referring to it as I have seen it used recently which was to talk about those who tend to be more independent and non-vocal about their political points.

But I will cede the point. The independents in this country make up the majority of the voters, but they are not called the silent majority.

[QUOTE=The Demon;16654666]Post # 26 ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Need photoshop help on your sig ? :1orglaugh

You misunderstand. I said that almost all of the social issues are leaning towards the right, not who brought these issues up. The country is more conservative on gun control, same sex marriage, separation of church and state, etc.

Yeah the guy that said that is no clearly tied to the insurance companies.. but when they hand him 1 million or more he will flip.

Think how many jobs a are lost if they put those companies out of business.

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you're such a fucking idiot

the proud marine who apparently isn't sure which direction to shoot, who to shoot or why to shoot.... much less why he served to begin with.

:2 cents:

What a pathetic shit stain sheep.... line you up and shoot you with the other morons sucking my cock here.

idiots rule!

These same morons fund wars that kill way more people than legal and safe medical abortions that are sometimes required to save a woman's life. Oh no, lets not let any dollars go to saving a womans life, lets force her to have baby and then send it to war when it turns 18!

WAR WAR WAR, NO MEDICAL!@