Is the death penalty "Right" ?
 

You decide...

Some 63 people were executed last year on death row.

Do you guys / girls think the government should be able to take your life from you for comitting a crime?

Lineing up its own citizens and killing them pretty much.

What if later dna results come back, and the person really didn't commit the crime but WAS executed.

So many flaws :uhoh

only 63. i think they should execute more and faster. fuck this lethal injection waste of a ton of money. just shoot them in the head and move on

dam right

and anyways, you don't own your life, the goverment does... try to kill yourself, they won't let you

"only 63. i think they should execute more and faster. fuck this lethal injection waste of a ton of money. just shoot them in the head and move on"

not a practical way of thinking

if your son supposedly murdered someone, and was convicted of it, and still said to you "no no i did not kill him, i swear"

then your son was sentenced to death, he was killed, then somehow years later it comes back he was innocent

this has happened many times

how would you feel? you lost your son because he was wrongfully convicted

what i dont understand is how ppl say it costs more money to execute someone then to send him to prison for life???? the ppl on death row killed ppl pretty easily and it didnt cost them any money ??????

i would seek my revenge on the 12 dumbass fucking jurrors who sent him to prison in the first place

well yeah, thats how you'd be feeling

but see, you think differently if it is someone you know that is in the situation, and you should always think on both sides of the matter

so this death penalty is flawed...i don't think the government should have a right to take a life away

even though i'd love to see child rapists and murderers pay, i think we'd be better off tortureing them for the rest of their life so atleast if they come back innocent we can just say sorry :)

tortureing is considered inhumane but killing isn't? quite a fucked up world :)

Is it right???

I don't know... Am I for it??? :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

the only problem is that ppl get paroled after x many years and they are back on the streets doing it again. texas is a great example of that.

Earth is overpopulated as it is, i say waste them :BangBang:

Besides, why do lawful citizens pay for these crimonals to stay in prisons ?

so they dont stay on the streets and keep killing

I must be drunk... I'm quoting myself.

:helpme

DarkJedi that is the best ninja sig yet - scorpion kicks ass :thumbsup

people don't get paroled if they are put on death row :)

and your right, we shouldn't pay for them

it should be like it is in the middle east or asia

grow your own food, coook it yourself, fetch your own water, sit in a cement cell with nothing

you do the crime, you do the time

and why do you think asia and middle east has lower crime rate, because people actually stop and think before comitting a crime because they are afraid of where they will end up

If someone is sentenced to death, the average cost (damn! can't find the source!) IS much, much more than keeping them locked up for the rest of their life.

So why not lock them away, and let the bastards suffer in solitary for the rest of their lives? No light, no comforts other than a matress and a blanket, and just enough food and medical care to keep them alive for as long as possible.

If someone killed a member of my family, and I got to them before the authorities, I'd do everything possible to ensure the bastard spent as long as possible in agonising pain...

We need to enforce the Death Penalty more. There would be less crime if we actually backed up the Death Penalty. Instead we're a bunch of pussies. I'm moving to Texas.

I'm pretty sure Texas killed more people than any other state. That's my kind of state.

the only problem is the US prisons are better living conditions then most ppl in the world. hey come commit a crime and we will give u food and free cable for the rest of your life

"So why not lock them away, and let the bastards suffer in solitary for the rest of their lives? No light, no comforts other than a matress and a blanket, and just enough food and medical care to keep them alive for as long as possible.
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exactly. and the thing is, if it ever comes back the person is innocent, they can just walk out.

exactly my point!! so fuck the lethal injection and just shoot them in the head.

mentioned earlier how ppl dont get off death row, but they do. most ppl are on death row for over 6 years and bcuz of that they show that they have made progress and appeal to have their lives spared and ppl do win.

Yeah well, they ONLY give the death penalty to those people who have 100% been proven guilty.

I'm talking if a guy walks into your home kidnaps your wife and two kids, rapes and tortures them to death over a period of 2 weeks and then they get a tip and they find your families death and tortured bodies in his house.

Just imagine that and tell me you wouldn't want that fucking sick bastard to DIE. Personally I wouldn't be happy with the death penatly for the guy that did that I'd prefur to have an option as spouse to choose "Increaably slow 10 week torture death" from the court documents. But they haven't added that feature yet :)

Those who cry about how we can't kill people who Kill are just fucking idiots. They NEVER imagine what it woudl be like for there own loved ones to of been the victim of these terrible monsters that we have in our society. If they pictured there own children or family being the victim they might just think about the poor victims for a change instead of standing up for these monsters who go around raping and killing innocent people.

Sammy

"the only problem is the US prisons are better living conditions then most ppl in the world. hey come commit a crime and we will give u food and free cable for the rest of your life"

thats right

those afghanis are living better then if they were in afghanistan

fresh food, water, shower, toilet...

dont forget about the free cable and outdoor activities

sammy

you bring up a good point...and its hard to debate that...

but again, how can we definatley be sure this person commited the crime. its flawed...we are putting a bet down basically if they did it or not, a 50 / 50

dna evidence, all this crap, could be wrong, and has been wrong

i mean, if i was the father of the wife and kids, i would be extremely angry, and your right, i would want the guy to pay, but then again when a person has had that happen in their life they will finger point ANYBODY as the person who did the crime, to unleash their anger

you see :)

Well I believe in the death penalty but ONLY when the evidence is 100% proven, I'm not talking about some finger prints they found on the car that held the body of a dead girl, I'm talking 100% linked proof that this guy killed this person. And I sure believe they should do away with those pricks faster than they are. I mean if its 100% guilty then just kill him sometime that week and get it over and done with. Shit in the old days they used to just stone you the next day or that afternoon :)

Sammy

I wouldn't. I'd want him tortured. For years.

most ppl would want closure as fast as possible

i agree that if a guy walks into a walmart, kills 10 people, and 50 people see him do it, then he should get the death penalty because he is 100% proven guilty.

but these days, alot of it is just dna and fingerprint evidence etc.

so how can you be 110% sure on that, you can't

if i was selected as a juror and it was all based on things like that, i wouldn't be able to vote and it would be a miss-trial

now i sit here and think...

what would i want done to this guy who raped and killed my wife and kids...

well,

tortureing would be an everlasting pain until he is dead. is it inhumane to inflict pain on someone for the rest of their life, maybe...

would i want them dead? i am not sure, it seems like an easy way out...

decisions :)

why are people so against dna? CSI solves the crime every week with DNA :1orglaugh

no but seriously, DNA has both put a lot of ppl away and also freed many innocent ppl

would i say i want him dead out of anger, yes , ofcourse

but...is it the right thing?

death for a person who committed horrible crimes like that seems like an easy way out. and it is. obviously someone who went and raped and killed my kids and wife knew what they were doing, and knows what happens to people when they do that.

so obviously they want to die

so why should we help them? why not just let them live on their own, cook their own food , water, etc. and let them die a lonely and painfull life

The guy lost all rights to humanity when he commited these crimes. Death is too easy for him, and too quick for me.

Torture :thumbsup

"no but seriously, DNA has both put a lot of ppl away and also freed many innocent ppl"

right...but its a 50/50 with your life

how can something be so SURE that you are either guilty or innocent, when it is able to work both ways as we've all seen it

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he will be tourtured in hells, be sure

I think people value human life too much. Sure I dont want to die.. or anyone close to me to die.... but everyone dies.

Im for the death penalty. So you say its not 100% accurate.. well if 1 innocent person dies for every 200 that deserve to die... well go ahead :) Just hope youre not that 1 person.. besides that theres nothing youre going to do about it. Just like when you get behind the wheel of a car. You have a chance of being killed in an accident.

Just my :2 cents:

I don't believe in God, Heaven or Hell.

Even if they do exist, then executing him and sending him to Hell means I can't watch and hear him plead for mercy...

It's far more expensive to keep a man in jail than to execute him. Where did you see people saying otherwise?

-KC

well, what do you think happens to you when you die ?

there should be something....i mean, there cant be just black space

Why not?

What kind of penalty do you all feel should apply to people who steal money from many of their peers?

because its stupid.
what you gonna just hang in blackness for the rest of your....err....eternity?

Good argument :thumbsup

DTK,

Depends on the circumstance. If the guy who fell for it is a total idiot, lesson learned...or a good ole' fashion beating always worked.

"http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs2.html"

Thats crazy.

They need to keep em' alive and make license plates faster!

This topic always turns into a "moron-a-thon." I used to be all for the death penalty, until DNA proved that more than half the guys on death row in Illinois were innocent.

Now, logic tells me that when a life is on the line, we should all be trying a lot harder to make sure we have the right person behind bars. However, if Illinois is a typical case, our legal system does a piss-poor job in its most critical cases.

So, not only don't I believe in the death penalty anymore, I have totally lost faith in our legal system.

And, BTW, have you ever thought about the guys on the Illinois death row who couldn't be exonerated because there was no DNA evidence critical to the case?...It means that some of those guys are probably innocent as well.

Quite depressin in the extreme.

What did they do to get there?

Kill innocent people perhaps?

Rape a child?

Kill a prison gaurd?

I just watched something about a bitch who shot battery acid up inside another girl and tortured her with scalding water and acid.

She was begging for forgivness.

Yeah, too late to feel sorry for them.

Execute the motherfuckers.

unseenworld, good comment man!
the legal system is very flawed and unaccurate.

Fletch, i never said that we should feel sorry for them. that has nothing to do with the subject. but should we convict and kill if we aren't 100% sure the person did the crime?

there is many sides to a story

DNA does not prove one innocent or guilty.

There was a case here recently in Phoenix where someone got off of death row because of the DNA. This waitress was raped and murdered in a bathroom where she worked - a nighclub if I recall. This guy was recently released from death row because his DNA didn't match the DNA in the sperm. That means it didn't stick his dick in her; It doesn't mean he didn't kill her. His finger prints were all over the bathroom - The woman's bathroom.

Then you have the OJ angle..... His DNA was everywhere, but he still got off. Go figure.

Nah, don't kill them. Let them go to prision for the rest of their lives. Let them get raped in the shower every day.

If anyone raped my wife or daughter, the last thing they would have to worry about would be going to prision. I'd kill them first.

We have to sacrifice a few innocents to get rid of all the bad ones. It may not be right but its the best way in the current system. No one thats completely innocent of any wrongdoing is going to be convicted of a crime worthy of the death penalty. Either they were doing something illegal in the first place or they were involved somehow. Some random innocent guy is not gonna get blamed.

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Originally posted by doobster
what i dont understand is how ppl say it costs more money to execute someone then to send him to prison for life???? the ppl on death row killed ppl pretty easily and it didnt cost them any money ??????
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It's far more expensive to keep a man in jail than to execute him. Where did you see people saying otherwise?

-KC





The reason it is more expensive to execute someone is the cost of his right to appeal his conviction etc. I am sure no one would suggest removing his due process or changing our constitution to do away with convict's rights just to save a few bucks.

I for one do not agree with retribution, especially not capital punishment. The US keeps some pretty questionable company in executing prisioners. I can't think of another western country that does it.

It definately doesn't reduce crime rates and I find it scary if it makes vistims families feel that much better.