yeah for guns
 

WINTER SPRINGS, Fla. ? A man who thought there was an intruder in his house shot and killed his fiancee the day before they were to be married, police said Friday.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091010/...xpY2VmbGFtYW4-

For every story you hear about how a guns stopped a "bad man" you get 10 people killed by a family member either on purpose or by accident. I hope exercising his supposed 2nd Amendment right was worth it.

I could post far numerous murders that happened in the absence of a gun so what is your point. Yes we all know you are this big bad ass that likes to feel the life flow out of someone through the end of your hands. Ahhh your hands.... I hardly doubt it is the weapon that is the issue rather the stupidity or the intention of the HUMAN behind the weapon.

Guns, knives, baseball bats, screwdrivers, hammers, axes, chainsaws, etc. I don't care what the weapon, they in and of themselves, sitting there on a shelf or kitchen counter or work bench has no ability for malice or forethought. Humans kill humans, the tools by which they choose to do it is irrelevant.

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what a fucking idiot

Now that's a bad case of cold feet.


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10 to 1 ratio of innocents to bad people killed? unless you can back that up, i'll just assume you pulled that out of your ass.

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Humans leverage tools to turn actions into effects. The more efficient the tool, the bigger the effects will generally be.

An idiot with his bare hands can be fairly dangerous. Give him a knife and he instantly becomes more dangerous. Swap out the knife for a gun and the danger increases again. Swap out the gun for a bomb and he can cause quite a bit of devastation. Make it a nuke and he can kill thousands.

Given the fact that handguns really serve only one purpose, do you really want to increase random people's capacity for causing injury and death?

hrm on that one lol

the iranian people are not permitted to have guns. Look how their government treats them.

That guy must feel like shit. And I agree, guns cause more violence than they prevent.

That has to be one of the dumbest analogies I've ever read on this board. And I have read some pretty bad ones.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/...ct/314/24/1557

Actual ratio: 43:1.

be careful with facts on GFY, people dont like em :thumbsup

moron....

The Iranian people are not permitted to give their children heroin. Look how their government treats them.

The Pakistani people are permitted to have guns. Look how their government treats them.

The fact of the matter is that a shitty government will be a shitty government with or without guns in the hands of citizens. If the government is willing to use the army against civilians, a stash of handguns won't save you if you oppose the government. Quite the opposite, actually - the gun in your hand gives them a great excuse to murder you.

In the unlikely event that a murderous fascist regime ever takes over the US, explosives will be your weapon of choice in fighting back. The kind of explosives that are already illegal right now.

Of course, to prevent such a regime from ever taking over in the first place, the weapons you should be using are quite different. Free speech, a free press and free elections are a far more efficient defense against tyranny, after all.

But you miss my point... Regardless of the tool or availability of a tool, humans will continue to kill other humans, accidentally or not, with whatever is at hand.

If someone wants you dead they will try it no matter what tool they can find or legally obtain. If there were no guns on the planet or allowed by law people will still kill each other with the next best thing.

Libertine,
i always find your posts intelligent & I respect your opinion. In particular you gave me the best insight on a thread i posted whether to offer downloads or stream only in a paysite. So i digress to you.

I do have a gun, & i feel a lot safer for that. even if that feeling is a false sense. a determined gang can still take out a man with a gun. if i lived in a country where there were no guns, i would be OK not having one too. But in america, some drug addled teen can invade your home & might be packing heat. i want the freedom to have an equalizer in such a situation.

I didn't miss your point at all, but it seems you did miss mine.

Idiocy and malice would not decrease without guns. However, both would be less effective in causing destruction without the leverage that tools provide.

Accidentally killing your fiancee with your bare hands is far harder than accidentally killing her with a gun. Intentionally killing someone with a screwdriver in a fight is harder than intentionally killing someone with a gun in a fight. Going on a shooting spree with an automatic weapon will generally inflict far more casualties than going on a stabbing spree with a knife.

A tool leverages the capacity of a stupid or malicious person to turn his actions into effects. The problem with guns isn't that they walk out by themselves and start shooting people randomly, it's that they provide the stupid and the malicious with the means to inflict damage far more easily than they could otherwise.

The reason we don't want Al Qaeda to get their hands on nukes isn't that we believe they will stop being murderous scum without access to nukes. It's that we know they will be far more effective murderous scum if they do get access to nukes.

Or just look at the story in the first post. The man is an idiot, no doubt about it. Had he been an idiot with a golf club instead of a gun, chances are that his fiancee would be injured instead of dead.

I understand the sentiment, and depending on where you live, it might even be a wise choice.

However, do keep in mind that the media tend to greatly exaggerate the chances of violent home invasions and such. If you live in a good neighborhood, just putting some good locks on your doors and windows is likely to be infinitely more effective than owning a gun.

An important thing to remember is that owning a gun automatically brings along new risks. Your own kids doing something stupid, your curious nephew playing in your house, a burglar finding the weapon, an asinine accident while cleaning the gun - they're all small but very real risks. If you live in a safe place, those risks will most likely outweigh the benefits, statistically speaking.

Of course, if you live in a bad neighborhood with frequent crime, then owning a gun might be wise - even if, as a government policy, banning most guns would still probably be the better choice.

In that one county, during that test period.

the irony is that the places with strict gun control have the worst gun crimes (washington DC, the country of mexico.) since gun control is not federal, all the gun control in the world cant stop thugs from importing guns from the states with no laws.

People can apply all the logic & intelligence they want that society would be safer without guns. This is true when you compare numbers between america & europe.

But guns are protected by the bill of rights, the courts, & a culture of gun love. Alcohol is far more destructive then weed, but alcohol is protected by the constitution.

Sometimes we have to live with the perversions encoded in the law, & use our best judgement in terms of protecting our property/lives given the circumstances.

GUNS R GUD! FUCK THE NWO!

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hehe ....

lol ... bunch of rednecks .... " I want my Freedoms ... "" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Americans love their guns. I personally wish there wasnt so many guns, I feel a lot of bad stuff would be prevented, like kids killing everyone at school.

he's a fucking moron then. It should be a lot harder than "you can pass a background check" to get a gun though

What a shock to see the three biggest idiots on this board mindlessly repeating their left wing talking points like a flock of semi retarded sheep. If you don't like guns then don't own one. Stop trying to push your collectivist nonsense on the rest of us who prefer freedom and individual rights. :321GFY

Be sure and run away and fail to respond like you do every time I so easily refute your garbage talk, Mr. Gator man

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And you're in Florida? Everyone I knew when I lived there had a gun and from what I hear the laws down there have done nothing but get more pro gun .. so if you hate guns so much go to Cali .. Or I guess Canada?

How can you ignore what happens in places like DC? A ten or twenty year gun ban resulted in it being the violent crime capital of the country... STOP TAKING GUNS FROM GOOD PEOPLE.. ALL IT DOES IS GIVE THE CRIMINALS FREE REIGN - THEY DO NOT FOLLOW LAWS.

Who are you more afraid of?
The legal gun with a 1:xx,000,000 chance of harming an innocent life
OR
The illegal gun with a 1:xx chance of harming someone like you

I know I know you live in some wonderful neighborhood..
When the day comes some wannabe thugged out retards come out of county and see you as an easy target and come get what they want, you going to tell them.. what.. no guns allowed HERE sorry

I'll draw a picture for you

If it was federally illegal to import guns tomorrow.. the importation of firearms would quadruple..

problem is very often when a gun prevents something it is not documented, no police reports, no news stories.
You can not say the same in reverse when a gun is involved it has to be a report and story.

Got to love it when some dumbass robs a liquor store with a shotgun and the media writes up a big story about the horrible assault rifle they used! I've even seen them call a semi auto handgun a machine gun..... media .. fucking media

You are helplessly stupid. I don't like guns, I don't own one. But maybe the retard neighbor really loves guns (maybe that retard is you) and he shoots his off and hits one of my kids. Or maybe one of his kids is fucked up in the head and decides to bring that gun to school the next day and shoot up the classroom. Do you see now how your point is as mindless as your posts here on gfy? Now do us all a favor and try to think before you spew shit and insult others, dumb fuck :2 cents:

God damn it
How about when millie cho goes to shoot up a school, HE DOESN'T HAVE FREE REIGN TO RUN AROUND KILLING FOR TWO HOURS, because someone there actually HAS A GUN AND STOPS HIM in the first couple of MINUTES..

Wouldn't that be NICE?
Or would you rather be god damned SURE that no one in the whole place can do anything but run away or huddle together while being shot to death?

What's more likely..
Some guy coming in and raping your loved ones while you watch tied up
Some guy next door accidentally shooting you

There was this guy in this stupid state, BTK, they called him BTK.. Asshole went and held hostage and raped whole families. Ten of them, I think.. None of them had any guns.. The SECOND FAMILY he did, one of the guys had a gun, and he ALMOST stopped the whole thing but his gun JAMMED.
EIGHT INNOCENT FAMILIES WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN RAPED AND KILLED IF THAT HOMEOWNERS GUN WOULD HAVE WORKED.

IF THE THIRD FAMILY HAD A GUN, SEVEN MORE FAMILIES WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN RAPED AND KILLED
AND SO ON

You gun grabbers who SHUN LOGIC should wake up and feel the blood on your own hands

Yes your point is very clear. We are never going to agree, so it is almost pointless to continue arguing. But about the last thing you said, about "feeling the blood on your own hands" can be argued both ways.

I want what has been proven to protect good innocent people.
My views are based not on emotion but on logic and factual information.

If YOU have a point, feel free to make it..
This is the whole problem, as far as I see it, when I try and discuss this with someone who shares your views, they seem to disappear and/or ignore me.. just as they seem to be ignoring clear and simple facts..

I am not disappearing and as far as I know you have no proof of anything. Whatever so called "proof" you can pull out I can find a lot more in my favor. There is no "proof" that guns in the hands of citizens help prevent crime. In fact, I am pretty sure that having a gun increases the possibility of being shot and killed.

http://www.newscientist.com

http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=11186055

Link

Factual enough for you?

who cares.. sucks for him but really his fault if he shot his woman

The gun debate was summed up very nicely when they interviewed some assorted gang members, general thugs, and either convicted or masked breaking and entry thugs.
All of them HIGHLY support as many gun laws as possible. They do not want citizens to have guns. It is a nice payoff when they do find an empty house with a firearm, other than that though. They are all for an unarmed America.

Of course they made it abundantly clear that they still would have and get guns with no problems even if they were illegal. Not like they use legal guns anyways.

Having a gun increases your risk of suicide?
I'd rather you kill yourself with your gun than drive into a carload of people..
There could be some merit to this, you know, it is alot easier to off yourself with a loaded pistol sitting on the table. But is that supposed to be a problem for the rest of us? You decided to kill yourself, and your will was done. That, to me, is alot better than an innocent man or woman or children being taken by someone when the last thing that they wanted was death.

1/5 children killed with firearms were not intentionally killed.. alright.. I do not see the point of that.. It doesn't tell me how many kids were killed, what type of shootings they were, or anything else to compare anything relevant to.

Find some numbers on how many of 1,000,000 firearm owning homes have accidental deaths.. then compare that to how many of 1,000,000 homes will be invaded.

Then do some research on how many home invasions were successful in armed vs. unarmed homes.

I've done all of the research, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I can tell you this- you won't disprove what I am saying.

This guy killed several families miles from where I live

In the second home he invaded, the guy either had his own gun or got one of raiders guns, and came THIS CLOSE to stopping him... ALL of the families tried to FIGHT..

You shouldn't be afraid of the exceedingly rare accidental shooting. Even in the extremely rare instance of accidental discharge, there's a really good chance no one will be hurt, and the chance of someone being actually killed makes this an even more remote threat.

The reality is that guys like this BTK are more and more common every day and the normal people of this country are REALLY STUPID and REALLY ANGRY because of how horrible things have been.. and they're going to get worse (the situation and these people)

So that's that proof and factual evidence you spoke of? Youtube videos? :1orglaugh

I found the number for you..
Fifty..
Common colds kill more kids.. probably ten times as many or maybe twenty




2:39 .. Here's the number. God damned Rosie Odonnell agrees with you.. For chrissakes..

3:30 .. Clinton and his "assault weapons ban".. assault weapons are used in less than 1:1000 violent crimes, and no fucking law would stop anyone who was going to use that or any other gun .. 3:40 have you ever been around people like this, do you know how criminals see things.. ??

4:44 We have god damned the mose self race pimping asshole in the history of the states talking about right to carry causing a "state of terror" .. Oh but guns are used twice to three times as often for defensive uses as they are to commit crimes ..

6:00 - 9:48 .. She is not mad at the guy who shot her father and mother, and everyone else in the place.. Or the gun that he used.. She's mad at people like you who want helped take her right to defend herself.. ENOUGH public shootings. ENOUGH schools being at terror for TWO HOURS because GUNS ARE BAAAAD.



My guns have saved MY life
I HAVE been around these people I asked you about

Now I see why people run away from arguments with you.

The articles you posted were laughable.
1/5 of kids killed by guns were accidentally killed.
It's easier to commit suicide if you have a gun.

I'm telling you that 50 kids were killed by guns, there is a source given, and you know damned well that thousands of people are saved from violent crime every year by guns.

Watch this woman in Texas talking about this place being shot up. Look what she went through. If one person there would have had a gun, 10-15 lives could have been saved right there. How many would have been saved if these school shooters didn't have unlimited time to kill at will? Well?

What are gun laws going to do to save lives?
Save a few suicide cases while thousands of other innocent people are not allowed to defend themselves?

Let's take away the right of 1000 innocent people and let them be killed to save some suicide cases.. The innocent people have the right to LIVE . The suicide cases have the right to die, I guess, that is another whole subject.

Because posting some dry information with one other thing that's totally unrelated are not enough ?

1/5 kids who are killed with guns aren't intentionally killed tells me nothing..
I went and found out how many it was.
I'm comparing that to the huge multiple of innocent lives saved.

Then you go off the cuff bringing up suicide being easier and more likely if you own a gun.. isn't what we're talking about - we're talking about INNOCENT PEOPLE being SAFER

A vehicle traveling at 75mph into a crowd, v.s. a gun with 10 rounds into the same crowd. A can of gasoline & a structure, v.s. a handgun fired at a structure. Do the math :2 cents:

This is absolutely correct.

that is why stupid people should not have guns...

I do believe that there needs to be some sort of system which keeps severely mentally handicapped people like yourself from owning a gun.......... but since you are almost certainly institutionalized that solves the problem in your particular case. :)

Let's take a look at this thread for a moment.

MrMaxwell believes that serial killers are an increasingly common and serious threat while accidental shootings supposedly are not a serious threat. Considering the fact that accidental shootings account for about as many yearly deaths in the US as the total amount of people murdered by serial killers in the entire history of the US, that makes him an idiot.

Clearly, this is a man without any real grasp of reality whatsoever, a fool, a lunatic, someone who quite likely has based his entire worldview around B-movies.

Should lunatics like him really be roaming the streets while carrying firearms?

You idiot I'm talking about people getting more desperate by the day and how criminals work. You've ignored most of what I've said. If accidental shootings account for as many deaths as serial killers, why don't you prove it? And even if they did, that's only one kind of violent criminal, you dead in the head moron.

Your claim that more people are accidentally killed on a yearly basis by firearms than have ever been by serial killers in the history of the states is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

You're a fucking dumbass. People like you cause innocent people to die.

I stopped a convenience store robbery from happening.
The kid was sixteen or eighteen and looked twelve and was working alone at two or three in the morning. I saved his ass.

But I am a god damned lunatic,
Go fuck yourself you scumbag.

Myself and alot of other good people would not be alive if not for the proper use of firearms. Trash like you wants to take that right away from me because you're ignorant fucking morons who've never had to go through SHIT. Well I HAVE you asshole. I'm not a LUNATIC. Call me a LUNATIC when I save your ASS sometime. You FUCK!