Hey Programs, your dumb ass affiliate rep things are so 5 years ago.
 

I'm no longer going to promote any program where I can't have direct discussions with it's owner. I don't want to have to talk to your affiliate rep who failed at being a webmaster for him or herself. :321GFY

There is something to be said for any program where it's owner will personally give you support, content, etc.

I agree but at the same time some program owners would rather deal with the 'real' business and let us 'reps' deal with weeding out those affiliates who just want to constantly 'chat' with no real rhyme or reason for contacting the program owner other than having nothing better to do with their time $0.02

For me id rather be active on the boards searching for new business deals and then, when it gets to a point the person i am talking with is wanting to do serious business, pass them over to the program owner... Think of it like screening your phone calls... Except a real person is doing the screening not a machine :)

List of dumb ass affiliate reps starting now:

I feel ya. I am on both sides of the fence. I send traffic and own two programs. I just hate it when it takes forever to get things I need to promote other people. I usually respect one or two days of production time. But anything else than that is just lame.

If you need anything or want to work together, just let me know. I'm always around. :(

Both ARS and HDPays have direct contacts to all upper management/owners available. We do our own support :)

It all depends on the program and what the rep's placement in the company is. In instances of some of the medium to larger companies, "reps" are also the decision makers at the top of the totem pole.

the guy above me is one hell of a webmaster and one hell of an affiliate rep.

I've seen programs where the affiliate rep does pretty much nothing and has no say whatsoever ... and there are quite a few programs where the owner respects the affiliate manager(s) so much that they let them make most of the decisions.

In fact, one time I went to an owner thinking that it was over the affiliate managers head and he in turn wanted the affiliate manager to make the decision. Actually, if I recall correctly, I think the affiliate manager told me to ask the owner and the owner told me to let the affiliate manager make the decision.

Some like Bryan at Platinum or Kristin at TopBucks, can give you as good or better support than the owners!

Well said. It's sucks when the affiliate manager doesn't understand what the webmaster is talking about, for the reason that the affiliate manager doesn't have enough knowledge in the area.

The owner here at DTI Cash. He only speaks Japanese and thats why they hired a guy who speaks English.

ME :thumbsup

Try to apply that genious logic with everything you do in your life...

What a joke...

:1orglaugh now there is a reasonable excuse :):winkwink:

There are a couple reps in this thread I would deal with any day... Some good TRUE reps.

Especially Sherm, that guy is awesome.

You're no longer "handing" TeenDolls, so what are you doing now?

reps are pretty annoying ehh? As long as they are adult webmasters first it's cool, other wise it's pointless.

That is a pretty broad statement area51, I understand your point but not all programs are small enough for the owner to be involved in micromanagement.

I know some badass affil reps.

want to chat? contact me, Luke, the OWNER of HunkMoney on luke -a- hunkmoney.com

offtopic and none of your business actually :winkwink:

If you decide to get Windows 7 do you also expect to get it from Steve Ballmer? :1orglaugh

LMAO :1orglaugh

Fuck no, only noobs do that. I got mine from Bill Gates after we had a nice dinner.

See sig and hit me up... dont have any rep's so nothing for you to worry about ;)

Vip pimp is one of the most diligent program owners on gfy. Always posts for himself, I guess that would be the perfect kind of guy for you to work with 51.

Some people amaze me with their stupidity around here.
Nothing says that reps have failed, many often still have side stuff going. Of course there are some programs that just pay so damn well, offer benefits, and well give people much more security over being a standard affiliate.

I just think you are generalizing to much and basing all reps off of a few that just do their jobs badly.

Then to think that every affiliate can get to take up untold amounts of contact everyday from the owners of some multi million dollar a year companies are laughable.

There is a big difference between old school affiliate reps and todays. Old school reps were used for their online "presence". Now a days you need to actually be something other then a hot chick with a cute smile.

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I am my own rep, always have been. :thumbsup - www.getnaughtycash.com

This is true. :thumbsup

something to be said for a bigger orgnization

Happy birthday man!

I have to agree that some companies have thousands upon thousands of webmasters and on top of running a company can't talk to each webmaster, every single time. (Not because they don't want to, they have only so many hours in the day). That is why VP of sales, etc are hired. I've held all kind of positions. Some ppl have not liked me I'm quite sure, some have written to my bosses about how good I am at being on top of the game, but one person alone can't do everything or the company couldn't grow. The company grows and they can raise payouts. Plus these people also have families and a few hours of sleep a night they need, that is why they hire people to help. That is just my 2 cents. I can't even imagine at my old job, the owner handling all affiliates when they own 7 programs now, each with multiple sites, it just can't be done. That would be one owner handling about 10,000 affiliates. (When they need over 8 that are over loaded). This is not my current employer and it's something good to be said about my previous because they grew from nothing to huge and they did it working with ppl that worked hard for them. That is how these small programs grow, a bunch of quality people chipping in and working overtime and brainstorming, it's a unique dynamic.

Even some programs have behind the scene guys that are not affiliate reps and they run shit too.

With this said, even the mid-sized programs need affiliate reps because the program I do work for is growing like a weed and everyone pretty much works seven days a week and none of us a bitch, it's a good group of people. If someone demands the owner, he'll sure as hell try and make time, but he isn't superman.

With that said, Good Night to All and in the end, there are bad reps, good reps and we each have our own opinion so we shouldn't bash all of them. Even me as a "semi rep", more of a Marketing person, i deal with reps every day and some of them are amazingly helpful. There is some saying about the people lower down on the executive ladder being the bricks that hold things together and in SOME cases, I do believe it, I can't see any ONE owner handling all of their affiliates and still expecting time to grow the company.

well the owner cant be online at all times...just have to get better reps

I am a producer, publisher and company owner but I am *not* an affiliate "rep". :)

We have a winner.

Thats pretty much what is happening here right now, there are two owners and 3 employees working on a range of projects, some new affiliate programs that we have in development, some mainstream ebook affiliate programs, some service related sites and also a mainstream bricks and mortar type business, the company owners simply do not have the time to be dealing with everything 24/7 so they hired the three of us to handle what id call the 'grunt' work, coming up with site concepts, affiliate relations, marketing and promotion of their resource sites and ad sales, etc, etc....

Between the 5 of us, when we all get together its great because we all have a unique perspective on where we want to grown our online businesses for the company owners, ourselves and our affiliates, sometimes we all agree on the direction we should take, sometimes we dont but its these brainstorming sessions that i personally find to be the most valuable in learning new things and it also helps me appreciate the fact that even though im a general rep for several web presences, i know i can grow with our company as it evolves whether that is in the online world or in the bulk commercial real estate world working on multi million dollar foreclosure deals for hedge funds.

Bottom line is, the two company owners have a limited amount of time of their own, by hiring someone to be a frontman for their online businesses it allows them to focus on growing their businesses, not worrying what is actually going on in the industry with them.

Part of my job is to keep them appraised of what is new and developing in the biz, programs that have launched new sites, niches, new boards that have popped up, companies we should be looking to work with, etc... This alone is pretty much a full time job LOL

I get your point. However, being good at running a company is not the same thing as being good at customer support. I don't many highly successful company owners want to spend a big chunk of their day explaining, over and over again, the definition of a join hit.

I got into doing affiliate support work because I am ultra paranoid about not having a dependable wage. So, I do this on top of my own affiliate work and I do think that more reps/affiliate support people should come from that background so they can at least speak with some knowledge. However, being a webmaster and doing support are two very different skill sets. All you have to do is read some of the icq logs that people post and see that.

Point taken.
That's why all out affiliates have a direct contact to me.
I want to know whats going on and make sure everyone gets what they need to promote us.

very well put!

:hi :winkwink:

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Right on, I really dont see why is it so hard to understand that the upper management\owners have more important things to do and just cant multiply (no matter how much they want) the hours in the day...

This is a no brainer, and I'm surprised to see people bitching about it...

This may work on bigger company's, but not to the extend some people are talking about here and if you are a big affiliate...

Like I said some people are way way out of touch with reality..

if you're a valuable affiliate, you get to talk to ownership. if your a loud mouthed kid on GFY, not so much.

... and there are quite a few programs where the owner respects the affiliate manager(s) so much that they let them make most of the decisions... good one...

man you are really are a god damn retard, congrats
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To be honest, I dont even know what people use reps for to be honest.

Kristin helped me with some mobile stuff only because it involved mobile redirect stuff, but other than that...

sign up for program
grab codes
make sign up
get paid

I think reps are mostly for getting affiliates, ive never used them much, never needed them for anything other than PAYMENT stuff.

Amazing how many affiliate reps don't know what to do when you ask them for help to best convert your traffic

Got tranny traffic?

Thanks Ace of Spades!!

I'm here to help any of my affiliates whenever needed!